Agree so much. And there were signs of this last patch. You mentioned ancestral reach but the pet was also a nightmare. 7 leads all from one location and one type of ad.

I hard one of the parts for a mythic item, the shapeshifter chain, doesn't drop either so it is incomplete. Maybe the antiquities for this expansion were rushed.

The antiquity system was designed to get players to go back to a variety of older content along with the new content. Of course there is going to be a variety of content where leads can be found. Shadowfen was a debacle because players made it so.

kargen27 wrote: »

The antiquity system was designed to get players to go back to a variety of older content along with the new content. Of course there is going to be a variety of content where leads can be found. Shadowfen was a debacle because players made it so.

There’s a difference between getting players to revisit old content and getting players to hate, not only the content, but also the area/zone/trial and even mentioning it’s name.

kargen27 wrote: »

The antiquity system was designed to get players to go back to a variety of older content along with the new content. Of course there is going to be a variety of content where leads can be found. Shadowfen was a debacle because players made it so.

I agree, and would add that most rewards which drop based on RNG aren't designed to be obtained right away, the way that most players want them to be. The idea is that they give you a reason to keep playing the game and that it should take you a while to obtain things.

This goes for the single-player games, too. For instance, if you're into buying every available player house, then be prepared to spend a lot of time grinding for the gold needed to buy the houses and furnish them, including any quests to satisfy all of the prerequisites for buying a particular house. If it was intended that you should be able to just buy all of the houses toot sweet, the houses wouldn't have any prerequisites for ownership and wouldn't cost so much to buy and furnish.

Similarly, if it were intended that you could just acquire a particular mythic antiquity, it wouldn't be broken up into fragments where each fragment's lead is potentially so difficult to get.

It's funny how some players will race through a new chapter's or DLC's content in a matter of hours (or, at least, claim to), then complain that they were able to do so. But give them something that's designed to take, on average, much longer than a few hours to obtain, and they compkain that they can't obtain it fast enough. Go figure.

kargen27 wrote: »

The antiquity system was designed to get players to go back to a variety of older content along with the new content. Of course there is going to be a variety of content where leads can be found. Shadowfen was a debacle because players made it so.

The suggestion that this is designed to get players to go back to other areas of the game makes sense. I have seen other MMORPGs do similar with other things they added to the game. Granted, bad RNG makes the grind for some of these leads a little much.

kargen27 wrote: »

The antiquity system was designed to get players to go back to a variety of older content along with the new content. Of course there is going to be a variety of content where leads can be found. Shadowfen was a debacle because players made it so.

Sorry but hard disagree.

They released the new BIS pve dps item and expect people not to try and get it asap?

And even then there is 0 reason to put inside shared nodes.
This was an issue in Markarth too, and frankly even in Greymoor.
They are fully responsible for creating another contentious and toxic situation, period.

They could've made these leads more rare, but put them in places where people don't have to compete with one another in a freaking pve zone.

This a video game, not a job.
These leads should've had their own quest lines to achieve, or you know anything that's more fun than sitting in front of flowers for 20h straight and yelling at strangers not to touch said flowers.
How anyone can defend the devs on this one is truly mind boggling to me.

And before any forum mods get too excited, I'm not hurdling any insults at any devs, this is just plain criticism.

fall0athboy wrote: »

Supertonicbaker wrote: »

kargen27 wrote: »

The antiquity system was designed to get players to go back to a variety of older content along with the new content. Of course there is going to be a variety of content where leads can be found. Shadowfen was a debacle because players made it so.

There’s a difference between getting players to revisit old content and getting players to hate, not only the content, but also the area/zone/trial and even mentioning it’s name.

Bad Man's Hollows

Good lord am I tired of Blackheart Haven.

I made a topic about that lead and quit eso to play warframe for quite a while after.

I freakink hate they lock lead behind non solo group content.. Was Antiquities designed to be a solo thing ppl do to pass time with. ?

DaiKahn wrote: »

Disagree. I like you have to actually work for things, if you actually want them

A massive problem it seems is that most people want everything right now. No, not right now, that's too slow, RIGHT NOW

Considering websites put up articles ASAP like:

• "Get Mythics super quick!"
• "Level super fast, faster than ever before!"
• "Be the super-bestest at everything RIGHT NAO!"
• et al

which takes any real effort out of the player, are you surprised ZoS is trying to slow people down? Especially for some items that are apparently so good they render other items [monster sets] "useless"?

People also avoid some places (PvP, arenas) so mayhaps ZoS is trying to entice players to seek these places out cause, you know, they might actually like them

Doesn't matter if it's immediately or not, the crappy drop chance means you could be doing this a year from now and still have it take just as long. I just did the fishing lead for thrassians a few days ago and there was barely anyone there compared to day one, and it still took hours of fishing without tons of people flooding the fishing spots. Imagine defending this kind of practice. Do you expect people to pick one single node, not get a lead, and say "oh well, i'll try again tomorrow?" And then repeat this once a day until they finally get the lead 3 years from now? I'm sure more people would care if more roleplaying and housing was gated behind this type of stuff.

Tsar_Gekkou wrote: »

Doesn't matter if it's immediately or not, the crappy drop chance means you could be doing this a year from now and still have it take just as long.

True, but you could also get it straight away (just have a look at some of the threads here). Drop chance is drop chance; RNG has a habit of being like this, especially when you really want something and it appears others get it so easy (sometimes). Whilst I believe companies do weight RNG a certain way, I understand why they do it and why it's also annoying to a lot of people

Imagine defending this kind of practice.

I'm not "defending this kind of practice", I just have different thoughts and opinions to you. Plus, I was throwing out thoughts and possibilities for people to think about because this forum gets so hyper-focused on negativity that sometimes it's good to break that up with some non-negative thoughts/view/opinions and sometimes, reasonings

Do you expect people to pick one single node, not get a lead, and say "oh well, i'll try again tomorrow?" And then repeat this once a day until they finally get the lead 3 years from now?

I don't expect anything because expectations lead to disappointment. For me, yes, if I didn't get it today, I will try again tomorrow; I'm in no hurry as this is a long-term game for me. I also spice it up by doing other things in-game instead of being so hyper-focused on one thing that it agitates me because I'm only doing that one thing and not getting satisfaction

You're also being a tad melodramatic (lack of a better word, no offence intended) because this annoys you and appears to be a bone of contention; I get that and understand your points. It just doesn't affect me like it does you. I don't get bored with anything in-game or IRL, ever, so grind means nothing to me (I also play Warframe and that game is the absolute King of grind AND horrible "anti-gamer" RNG)

EDIT: spelling

Firstmep wrote: »

kargen27 wrote: »

The antiquity system was designed to get players to go back to a variety of older content along with the new content. Of course there is going to be a variety of content where leads can be found. Shadowfen was a debacle because players made it so.

Sorry but hard disagree.

They released the new BIS pve dps item and expect people not to try and get it asap?

And even then there is 0 reason to put inside shared nodes.
This was an issue in Markarth too, and frankly even in Greymoor.
They are fully responsible for creating another contentious and toxic situation, period.

They could've made these leads more rare, but put them in places where people don't have to compete with one another in a freaking pve zone.

This a video game, not a job.
These leads should've had their own quest lines to achieve, or you know anything that's more fun than sitting in front of flowers for 20h straight and yelling at strangers not to touch said flowers.
How anyone can defend the devs on this one is truly mind boggling to me.

And before any forum mods get too excited, I'm not hurdling any insults at any devs, this is just plain criticism.

You are correct. This is a game and not a job. It is on you if you decide to treat it like work by grinding. People get in a rush and want everything right now. Some are complaining about leads not coming quick enough. Some are complaining about motifs not coming fast enough. Some are complaining about how long it takes to get the fishing achievement. Players wanting instant gratification isn't a game flaw.

kargen27 wrote: »

Firstmep wrote: »

kargen27 wrote: »

The antiquity system was designed to get players to go back to a variety of older content along with the new content. Of course there is going to be a variety of content where leads can be found. Shadowfen was a debacle because players made it so.

Sorry but hard disagree.

They released the new BIS pve dps item and expect people not to try and get it asap?

And even then there is 0 reason to put inside shared nodes.
This was an issue in Markarth too, and frankly even in Greymoor.
They are fully responsible for creating another contentious and toxic situation, period.

They could've made these leads more rare, but put them in places where people don't have to compete with one another in a freaking pve zone.

This a video game, not a job.
These leads should've had their own quest lines to achieve, or you know anything that's more fun than sitting in front of flowers for 20h straight and yelling at strangers not to touch said flowers.
How anyone can defend the devs on this one is truly mind boggling to me.

And before any forum mods get too excited, I'm not hurdling any insults at any devs, this is just plain criticism.

You are correct. This is a game and not a job. It is on you if you decide to treat it like work by grinding. People get in a rush and want everything right now. Some are complaining about leads not coming quick enough. Some are complaining about motifs not coming fast enough. Some are complaining about how long it takes to get the fishing achievement. Players wanting instant gratification isn't a game flaw.

Player impatience isn't a game flaw.

ZOS taking the least inspired, integrated, or immersive approach to lead production (RNG on drop) is.

Iluvrien wrote: »

kargen27 wrote: »

Firstmep wrote: »

kargen27 wrote: »

The antiquity system was designed to get players to go back to a variety of older content along with the new content. Of course there is going to be a variety of content where leads can be found. Shadowfen was a debacle because players made it so.

Sorry but hard disagree.

They released the new BIS pve dps item and expect people not to try and get it asap?

And even then there is 0 reason to put inside shared nodes.
This was an issue in Markarth too, and frankly even in Greymoor.
They are fully responsible for creating another contentious and toxic situation, period.

They could've made these leads more rare, but put them in places where people don't have to compete with one another in a freaking pve zone.

This a video game, not a job.
These leads should've had their own quest lines to achieve, or you know anything that's more fun than sitting in front of flowers for 20h straight and yelling at strangers not to touch said flowers.
How anyone can defend the devs on this one is truly mind boggling to me.

And before any forum mods get too excited, I'm not hurdling any insults at any devs, this is just plain criticism.

You are correct. This is a game and not a job. It is on you if you decide to treat it like work by grinding. People get in a rush and want everything right now. Some are complaining about leads not coming quick enough. Some are complaining about motifs not coming fast enough. Some are complaining about how long it takes to get the fishing achievement. Players wanting instant gratification isn't a game flaw.

Player impatience isn't a game flaw.

ZOS taking the least inspired, integrated, or immersive approach to lead production (RNG on drop) is.

This. It would have been great if they worked antiquities differently, like, you kill a random mob and in that Blackguard Marauder, you found a note that says: “Spoke to someone who claimed there could be something worth its weight in gold stashed in Arx Corinium. Before gutting them, said something about a giant lizard? That’s on your end -Ugglog”. And then, when you go, you fight that giant electrolizard and he drops nothing! But wait…. There’s an odd shaped mound near the waterfalls. What’s this? A lead that you didn’t have to farm 3 years for!! And this is just a basic one, maybe you could have mythics be a puzzle from Rajhin after “stealing” your lead. Idk, actually use the game’s world than just saying “Ehh…. Let’s just make it nearly impossible to find and move on.”