Cireous wrote: »

May I ask what addon you are using to track the numerical loss and gain of rapport?

Unpublished addon. I hacked together 10 lines of code to dump EVENT_COMPANION_RAPPORT_UPDATE events to chat.

Try Phinix' LootDrop Reborn, which recently learned to report rapport changes.

GreenHere wrote: »

Cireous wrote: »

ADarklore wrote: »

You cannot collect ANY type of flying insect at all with Mirri, or you lose rapport (I disabled the option in the "No, Thank You" addon so I don't accidentaly grab one. With Bastian, apparently killing any crawling thing loses rapport. He even commented something like, 'You should really respect all life' after I killed a frog.

Hmm, I have been killing every crawling thing I come across on Bastian today to try and reproduce this (including frogs) and I cannot replicate any rapport loss or vocal dismay.

For reference, I was in Skyreach... Catacombs(? the one people use for XP grinding, not either of the other ones) smooshing beetles for the Scuttle when Bastian very pointedly told me to "Stop that! It's cruel and wasteful!" or some very similar line. But I can't confirm whether or not that resulted in Rapport loss, since I have such indicators disabled.

"Smooshing beetles" ... now that I have not tried yet

I'll see if I can crunch some exoskellies for decreased rapport.

MudcrabAttack wrote: »

AcadianPaladin wrote: »

@swook33b16_ESO normal harvesting with either companion should not reduce rapport. It sounds like you might be grabbing the occasional flying insect to gather bug parts? That is something that will evoke a rapport drop from Mirri (but not Bastion).

Too bad insects are placed in front of most things I need access to

Exactly.

Too bad no one can clue here in that I can't find any other source for butterfly wings, for example!

Numani-Rasi gave +125 yesterday, but nothing today. Could be bug, cooldown, same ruin (I did not record which ruins I had to visit), or who knows. Will try again tomorrow, of course.

Soulshine wrote: »

However, in this case the fact that there are no visible numbers on progress anywhere is a resoundingly rude bit of neglect here from the development team. Please put some numbers showing progression on the rapport in the same way that we can see XP gain.

My own interpretation of this isn't as an example of neglect. Azura only knows that I am happy enough criticising ZOS, but in this case I see it as something an aspect of something else.

XP is already quantized, it is attached to our own characters and we have been able to track its numerical increase since day one.

I really do wonder, in this case, if ZOS have attempted to keep the generally fuzzily defined nature of interpersonal relationships (within certain boundaries) actually fuzzy. Yes, if you cross certain limits (e.g. cordial, friendly, close) then these things become obvious and are reflected in changes in demeanour and interactions. However, the "position" within those bounds isn't, in my own experience, well defined.

One thing I used to dislike about SWTOR was how the companion system would literally tell you the size of increases... it seemed oddly robotic and detracted from the narrative around the evolving relationship for me.

I actually quite like this.

It also makes wonder if ZOS has built the system to make grinding it as annoying as possible in the desperate hope that people might decide to not grind it. No chance of that, I know. After all, people have been reducing these games to a shell of numbers and then chasing the best numbers to beat other numbers since these things were text based.

Cireous wrote: »

ziggr wrote: »

Rapport changes I've seen so far:

+125 complete Fighters Guild Daily
+125 complete Numani-Rasi relics daily in Vvardenfell
+5 excavate Antiquity
+5 loot Psijic portal
+1 kill a goblin trash mob
+1 kill a snake critter
+1 craft an alcoholic beverage
+1 read a book
-1 harvest a flying insect

The 5-15minute cooldown means that after you harvest a bug, you're safe to harvest a bunch more for a while. And reading every shelf in a library in quick succession will only get you +1 rapport.

Thank you sPark101 for suggesting Numani-Rasi. That almost doubles daily rapport progress.

May I ask what addon you are using to track the numerical loss and gain of rapport?

Lootdrop Reborn is the first one I tried that worked. (Note that there are multiple LootDrops, which don't all work.)

ziggr wrote: »

Numani-Rasi gave +125 yesterday, but nothing today. Could be bug, cooldown, same ruin (I did not record which ruins I had to visit), or who knows. Will try again tomorrow, of course.

Some give the rapport and some do not. So far, Eberanit, Dushariran, and Maelkashishi are giving the Rapport. Ashurnabitashipi and Assarnatamat are not. I still need to test Yasammidian and Ashalmawia. I am adding the ones that give rapport to the list I have created on another thread. (jeesh at these names) Nevermind. I am getting rapport on ones that I did not get rapport on previously. Not sure if this was a bug they fixed, some kind of cooldown, or currently still buggy.

ziggr wrote: »

Rapport changes I've seen so far:

See my post under Player Guides:
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/576044/spoilers-things-that-make-mirri-like-you-more-rapport#latest

FYI: Maximum (positive) rapport is +5500 rapport points. Minimum (negative) rapport is -5000 points. There are 8 rapport levels: (0) "Disdainful"; (1) "Irritated"; (2) "Wary"; (3) "Cordial"; (4) "Friendly"; (5) "Close"; (6) "Allied"; and (7) "Companion."

As ziggr said in his comment: The two biggest ways to get Rapport for Mirri are: (1) the daily Fighters guild quest (125 rapport points); and (2) the daily Ashland Relic quest (also 125 rapport points). For Bastian, it's the daily Mages guild quest (sometimes it's 125 rapport points, but sometimes it's 135 points, for reasons I don't know).

Some things ziggr didn't mention for Mirri: (1) entering a daedric delve or dungeon gives 10 rapport points; (2) entering Clockwork City gives 10 rapport points (one time only). Note: Bastian gets 5 rapport points for Scrying. So when going for an Antiquity: (1) Scry with Bastian; and (2) Excavate with Mirri, for 5 rapport points each. The two Companion personal quests (available when Rapport gets to "Friendly") give 500 rapport points each, so those two quests advance the Rapport pointer quite nicely, and unlocks the Companion House Guest.

Most Rapport activities have a 5 minute cooldown. So if you Excavate for 5 points, you won't be able to get another 5 points for Excavation unless at least 5 minutes has elapsed. Or if you enter a delve with goblins, you get 1 point for killing the first goblin, but subsequent goblin-kills give zero points, until at least 5 minutes have elapsed.

Of course, doing the guild dailies for Fighters guild, Mages guild, and Undaunted will also level-up those guild's skill trees (to a maximum of level 11). Rapport is character-specific; but guild skill trees are account-wide. So, you can level the guild skill trees quickly by doing the daily guild quests on multiple characters.

This is a true pain. You have to swap them frequently, especially when doing archeology, to get good credit.

I guess they want to be more like WoW and have more painful grinds!

FlopsyPrince wrote: »

AcadianPaladin wrote: »

@swook33b16_ESO normal harvesting with either companion should not reduce rapport. It sounds like you might be grabbing the occasional flying insect to gather bug parts? That is something that will evoke a rapport drop from Mirri (but not Bastion).

I find she comments on harvesting, but I thought it was OK or even good. She definitely doesn't like me gathering bug parts.

I REALLY would like a reason WHY I lose rep. for harvesting bugs. But she does not seem to mind if I slaughter animals, any animals. Even in RL if someone found it gross, it more than likely would not affect your relationship with them, especially if there was a good reason.

aipex8_ESO wrote: »

Cireous wrote: »

ziggr wrote: »

Numani-Rasi gave +125 yesterday, but nothing today. Could be bug, cooldown, same ruin (I did not record which ruins I had to visit), or who knows. Will try again tomorrow, of course.

Some give the rapport and some do not. So far, Eberanit, Dushariran, and Maelkashishi are giving the Rapport. Ashurnabitashipi and Assarnatamat are not. I still need to test Yasammidian and Ashalmawia. I am adding the ones that give rapport to the list I have created on another thread. (jeesh at these names)

Well, to confuse things more, I finally got rapport from Numani-Rasi for Ashurnabitashipi

I figured out that if I hand in the Ashlander quest with Mirri and I'm mounted, I get no rapport, but if I dismount first, I get rapport. Don't know if that's just my char being weird, or if other people have noticed this.

On Mirri and the Ashlander dailies from Numani-Rasi, my experience is that every quest gives a good rapport increase as long as it's turned in 20 hours after the previous turn in on that daily on that character.

A pity there's no equivalent rapport gain quest for Bastian.