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Is it true that companions are really weak in PVE?
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Nastassiya✭✭✭Toxic_Hemlock wrote: »After I kill the game sound and put on some albums in winamp it should not be so tedious
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But does it really whip the Llamas.... ?
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Linaleah✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Naked companions are pretty squishy, that's true. But I'm yet to test one with full golden gear though. So impossible to say for now.
golden gear for companions is not a thing, purple is as high as you go. a lot of people tested them in full purple gear you get with a pts template, me included. they still are exceptionally weak. you can make them slightly more sturdy then a tissue paper if you optimize said gear. but.. as the gear drops are rare and its impossible to upgrade or farm for specific traits/weights/upgrade level? optimization of that level on live is not happening for vast majority of people ever and for the dedicated minority for a very.. long... time. and even optimized they still require more micromanagement then helpful.
that wait until life platitudes are the only thing more unhelpful then companions, because they are NOT changing their performance between pts and live. they might.... maybe, but unlikely increase the companion gear drop rates. but the core of the system? what you see right now is what you are getting live tomorrow.dirty worthless casual.
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PizzaCat82✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Still they'll be helping me kill trash faster I don't really see a use for them as healers (maybe if I was low level) or Tanks.
But they still have their uses. Just gotta figure out whats best for em on the 8th.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭FantasticFreddie wrote: »Are they as useful as Lydia? No? Not interested then.
All of the companions in Skyrim are more dynamic, and much more helpful then the eso versions.
It’s weird, Skyrim came out so long ago, and the companion system there seemed much more robust then their more modern eso counterparts.
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FantasticFreddie✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭FantasticFreddie wrote: »Are they as useful as Lydia? No? Not interested then.
All of the companions in Skyrim are more dynamic, and much more helpful then the eso versions.
It’s weird, Skyrim came out so long ago, and the companion system there seemed much more robust then their more modern eso counterparts.
1) you could give companions excellent gear matching their playstyle and they would equip and use it
2) somewhat durable, and had the knock down thing, ie when they dropped to low health they would fall down and the enemy would loose interest for a minute (not always)
3) could pull levers, be directed to stand in specific places, activate pressure plates, etc.
4) Some of them had some really nice dialog.... "Wow, this is beautiful.... I'm so glad you are here with me " ❤
5) CARRIED
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RageKing✭✭✭✭we need to keep complaining and making forums posts so they get a good buff because right now it seems they are basically worthless.9
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crazepdx✭✭✭✭FantasticFreddie wrote: »Are they as useful as Lydia? No? Not interested then.
I never thought I would say this, but Lydia would be an upgrade.6 -
SirLeeMinion✭✭✭✭✭
✭I tested companions, and they did nothing well. Combat, interaction, outfitting... nothing was more than a shadow of what it could or ought to be. When it became clear that PTS companion feedback was being ignored and that companions would not in any way make up for the incoming combat nerfs, I started playing Guild Wars 2.
That said... housing was almost totally useless when it dropped. A few years have gone by, and now guild houses and player houses add value to the game. Ironically, they still don't have the utility that unpaid modders added to the Elder Scrolls 3 twenty years ago. But, some folks major on housing and many use houses regularly. I bet a couple of years from now, companions will be worthwhile. The chapter will be cheaper, too!2 -
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✭✭✭✭Naked companions are pretty squishy, that's true. But I'm yet to test one with full golden gear though. So impossible to say for now.
Golden gear doesn't exist
To answer the OP, yes, even at max level and with all purple gear, they are like.... Useless most of the time, often a hindrance even and useful like 5% of the timeHoping for more playable races4 -
EvilAutoTech✭✭✭✭✭
✭FantasticFreddie wrote: »Are they as useful as Lydia? No? Not interested then.
Lydia, oh Lydia, say, have you met Lydia?
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Kiralyn2000✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭FantasticFreddie wrote: »Are they as useful as Lydia? No? Not interested then.
I'm sworn to burden your adventures.9 -
willi3bxSoul ShrivenIf you on PC you can test it on the PTS for yourself.Yes I'm new
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Elsonso✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭FrancisCrawford wrote: »
I tested them with the default gear that the come with and with purple gear. Tanking and damage roles, and I was not displeased. However, I want some more real world testing on the final product.FantasticFreddie wrote: »Are they as useful as Lydia? No? Not interested then.
They are not pack mules. Actually, it is the other way around. However, Lydia is just something that follows you around carrying your stuff and makingidle comments, at least until she dies. Companions in ESO are a little more complicated, and do not die permanently, but they still follow you around and make idle comments.
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crazepdx✭✭✭✭FrancisCrawford wrote: »
I tested them with the default gear that the come with and with purple gear. Tanking and damage roles, and I was not displeased. However, I want some more real world testing on the final product.FantasticFreddie wrote: »Are they as useful as Lydia? No? Not interested then.
They are not pack mules. Actually, it is the other way around. However, Lydia is just something that follows you around carrying your stuff and makingidle comments, at least until she dies. Companions in ESO are a little more complicated, and do not die permanently, but they still follow you around and make idle comments.
Idk Lydia can solo a dragon. I've seen it. And she never died, she just went down on a knee till she caught her breath then went back to business. All this while carrying a ton of crap I haven't put in a chest yet. If only she had learned how to sneak and not set off every environmental trap in Skyrim, sigh..... fos ro dah was great for getting her to move out of doorways.7 -
Caligamy_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Weirdly what I was most disappointed about with the companions was not how terrible they were in combat. They are terrible in combat.
It was this;
https://youtu.be/s0XcDi9ZrBc
Do you see those non combat interactions? As far as I can tell they don’t really exist. Companions don’t really interact with the environment when not in combat. They will walk over stuff, follow you upstairs, etc, but that is about it.
At a bar they don’t drink, they don’t sit down, they just stand there really.
Like that bit around the 30 second mark? That to me feels very deceiving compared to what they are like in game.
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Elsonso✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭FrancisCrawford wrote: »
I tested them with the default gear that the come with and with purple gear. Tanking and damage roles, and I was not displeased. However, I want some more real world testing on the final product.FantasticFreddie wrote: »Are they as useful as Lydia? No? Not interested then.
They are not pack mules. Actually, it is the other way around. However, Lydia is just something that follows you around carrying your stuff and makingidle comments, at least until she dies. Companions in ESO are a little more complicated, and do not die permanently, but they still follow you around and make idle comments.
Idk Lydia can solo a dragon. I've seen it. And she never died, she just went down on a knee till she caught her breath then went back to business. All this while carrying a ton of crap I haven't put in a chest yet. If only she had learned how to sneak and not set off every environmental trap in Skyrim, sigh..... fos ro dah was great for getting her to move out of doorways.
Just remember that every time Lydia goes down on one knee, it is because she died. In ESO, they are down until the end of the combat, or until you revive them.XBox EU/NA:@ElsonsoJannus
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I can't count how many times I went into a bar with Bastian and Mirri in an attempt to "buy them a drink" or engage in a drinking emote they could then copy.Weirdly what I was most disappointed about with the companions was not how terrible they were in combat. They are terrible in combat.
It was this;https://youtu.be/s0XcDi9ZrBc
Do you see those non combat interactions? As far as I can tell they don’t really exist. Companions don’t really interact with the environment when not in combat. They will walk over stuff, follow you upstairs, etc, but that is about it.
At a bar they don’t drink, they don’t sit down, they just stand there really.
Like that bit around the 30 second mark? That to me feels very deceiving compared to what they are like in game.
When is Mirri going to look over some maps? When is Bastian going to pull out a book and read it? The trailer does, indeed, feel deceiving. I was so looking forward to "sitting down" with my companions, If not in our houses then at least in the world.
Has anyone done their full questlines? The only way I can imagine the trailer having any semblance of reality is if they participate in those actions on their quests somehow. I don't think a lot of people bothered doing their quests on the PTS since the companions were just handed to us without having to bother.
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Stevie6✭✭✭✭Companions looks like a waste of time and effort. This doesn’t help raising the floor at all. The devs should have invested their time into increasing base damage and adding more damage to all skills. Forget the ceiling let go as high as possible. Just get the base to hit 20k to 30k dps with a couple of skills without weaving (pve). In PVP, the devs can nerfbat everything to their hearts content.6
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✭✭✭✭Sounds like they wouldn't pull the trigger, so to speak, on actual combat companions - such as those found in SWTOR.
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amertuim✭✭✭Companion is a soulgem trashcan if you build them as tank. KEKWAn annoyed healer threw away his Resto staff and picked up daggers.
No one can stop his rage.1 -
DarcyMardin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Unless ZOS surprises us with a last-minute buff, yes, they are weak. I spent a lot of time testing them on the PTS and I was disappointed.3 -
Ley✭✭✭✭✭
✭I just hope that they will give enough of an edge so that I can experience Craglorn smoothly.Leylith - MagSorc | Leyloth - StamPlar | Leynerd - MagPlar | Leylit - StamBlade | Ley Eviticus - StamDK | Leydor - MagDen | Leylum - StamSorc | Leylux - MagBlade1 -
ADarklore✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I am not sure why people seem to continuously compare ESO Companions to a single player game companion (Skyrim). That is part of the problem, Rich made comments in interviews about how, with companions, that him and his wife would now be able to complete four player dungeons. Afterward, a lot of players freaked out in that, with his statement, basically said that companions could be used as player replacements. So when Companions debuted on PTS, they were already nerfed to a point of making them a 'pet' as far as actual combat usefulness.
So unless ZOS gets over their fear of player backlash due to buffing companions to actually make the useful, I doubt we will see much improvement for Companions in the future. I think at this point, based on what I've seen from PTS comments, that ZOS is just wishing Companions would now go away as they seem to be regretting the drama that it has caused. Yet, considering how they were hyped a few months ago, it's actually ZOS' reputation which IMO is on the line; they made statements regarding their purpose and usefulness, and now it's up to them to deliver!!Edited by ADarklore on June 1, 2021 4:15AMCP: 2105 ** ESO+ ** ~~ ***** Strictly a solo PvE quester *****
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