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Is it true that companions are really weak in PVE?
mickeyx
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I have been watching lot of youtube videos and reading feedback. So far it seems that companions are nothing more than some fluff you can dress up and talk to. The only reason i wanted to buy the new chapter was because of the companion feature. The ability to solo world bosses, public dungeons with companions, and fill up a spot for dungeons in case you can't find more people to play with to save time was the main attraction for me. So what's your opinion so far? would you recommend Blackwood to a returning casual player like me who loves soloing and want to complete content with minimum downtime?
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BlueRaven✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I have been watching lot of youtube videos and reading feedback. So far it seems that companions are nothing more than some fluff you can dress up and talk to. The only reason i wanted to buy the new chapter was because of the companion feature. The ability to solo world bosses, public dungeons with companions, and fill up a spot for dungeons in case you can't find more people to play with to save time was the main attraction for me. So what's your opinion so far? would you recommend Blackwood to a returning casual player like me who loves soloing and want to complete content with minimum downtime?
I am not a “professional” tester so these are just my impressions from the pts.
Companions are very squishy, even geared out as a tank they die fairly quickly.
DD wise they are “meh”.
I am going to make the male imperial a healer with every other ability aimed at keeping himself alive.
With the dark elf I will make her a bow dd. But again with a healthy emphasis on her own survival.
At range I hope they stay up longer, but at the same time I am not expecting them to stay up long. Neither of them are going to open up new aspects of the game I could not have done before.27 -
mickeyx✭✭✭✭I have been watching lot of youtube videos and reading feedback. So far it seems that companions are nothing more than some fluff you can dress up and talk to. The only reason i wanted to buy the new chapter was because of the companion feature. The ability to solo world bosses, public dungeons with companions, and fill up a spot for dungeons in case you can't find more people to play with to save time was the main attraction for me. So what's your opinion so far? would you recommend Blackwood to a returning casual player like me who loves soloing and want to complete content with minimum downtime?
I am not a “professional” tester so these are just my impressions from the pts.
Companions are very squishy, even geared out as a tank they die fairly quickly.
DD wise they are “meh”.
I am going to make the male imperial a healer with every other ability aimed at keeping himself alive.
With the dark elf I will make her a bow dd. But again with a healthy emphasis on her own survival.
At range I hope they stay up longer, but at the same time I am not expecting them to stay up long. Neither of them are going to open up new aspects of the game I could not have done before.
This is what I was afraid of. Thank you. I will pass and come back to the game in the future if they ever update companions and make them useful. So much hype around companion and this is what we get.Edited by mickeyx on May 30, 2021 10:04PM20 -
phaneub17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭They're going to die ALOT so don't fret over them, don't rely on them to complete content, don't worry about resurrecting them, don't get frustrated by their inability to act, and don't treat them as another player. Instead treat them like Daedric Pets, NPC followers you get from quests, or as bonus abilities while they're alive. The less you pay attention to them, the better your experience with them around will be.25 -
AlgolStar✭✭✭phaneub17_ESO wrote: »They're going to die ALOT so don't fret over them, don't rely on them to complete content, don't worry about resurrecting them, don't get frustrated by their inability to act, and don't treat them as another player. Instead treat them like Daedric Pets, NPC followers you get from quests, or as bonus abilities while they're alive. The less you pay attention to them, the better your experience with them around will be.
That felt like cracking a skittle in your mouth and then realizing it was some insect, not a candy. ;/Edited by AlgolStar on May 30, 2021 10:11PM30 -
mickeyx✭✭✭✭trackdemon5512 wrote: »Just wait till it’s live.
I will keep an eye on the forums and see what's the feedback like after release.1 -
Aaxc✭✭✭Naked companions are pretty squishy, that's true. But I'm yet to test one with full golden gear though. So impossible to say for now.3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I'm looking at it this way. If they fire off one shot, then die, they did more dps than if I hadn't used them at all, at least in theory. For any sort of content without any real group size limits this will be mostly true so if you solo overland, then it's more damage/healing/tanking than you would have done on your own. Expect them to die (often) and be surprised if they do well and you won't be disappointed.
In group dungeons and trials, they should be outclassed by another player, but people will surely find some uses for them there as well. If they could stand on pressure plates, I would have been much more impressed, although they could just remove the pressure plates from AA and Direfrost and accomplish the same goal.Edited by redspecter23 on May 31, 2021 7:48AM10 -
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✭✭✭redspecter23 wrote: »I'm looking at it this way. If they fire off one shot, then die, they did more dps than if I hadn't used them at all, at least in theory.
That's true, of course, but if the companion hadn't done 1x damage before dying, then the fight would have just lasted a few seconds longer for me as solo player. This is just a "drop in the bucket" and doesn't really make companions what many have hoped for.
But despite everything, I'm looking forward to tomorrow (or the day after tomorrow, when the game will be playable again) and the release of companions.
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✭✭✭✭✭phaneub17_ESO wrote: »They're going to die ALOT so don't fret over them, don't rely on them to complete content, don't worry about resurrecting them, don't get frustrated by their inability to act, and don't treat them as another player. Instead treat them like Daedric Pets, NPC followers you get from quests, or as bonus abilities while they're alive. The less you pay attention to them, the better your experience with them around will be.
All of this.
They are mostly for playing dress up and blocking quest givers and crafting stations.RIP Bosmer Nation. 4/4/14 - 2/25/19.18 -
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LOL, now it was some guy who bought the car registration plate NULL, his plan was that he would not get speed tickets from automated speed traps and similar as they would bug out on his number who is database term is empty record.FrancisCrawford wrote: »
He ended up getting all the tickets for cars with no registration plate, or it could not be read.
Grinding just make you go in circles.
Asking ZoS for nerfs is as stupid as asking for close air support from the death star.8 -
Wow✭✭✭✭✭when companion die do you need to summon them from quickslot again
or do they become like in skyrim, crouching till they backI'm a Godot Engine and GameMaker enthusiast from the most populated island on earth, Java, Indonesia. Coffee is my staple fuel, and durian is my favourite fruit. I'm currently building a Godot Community site.1 -
Lady_Galadhiel✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭I did fully gear Bastian on PTS as a tank,went to kill a Blackwood worldboss with him,after 30 seconds he died
Conclusion: my sorc pets are still better.Total ESO playtime: 8325 hours
ESO plus status: Cancelled
ESO currently uninstalled.17 -
fiender66✭✭✭✭I tried ("tested" would be too much) Bastian at lvl 7 in some Overland content and my impression is that he is moderately useful against trash mobs and delve bosses. Made about the same damage of a clannfaer and healed a bit.
He was utterly useless against WB's: more often died quickly and, if he survived, that was cause he kept out of the way leaving my toon to deal with the monster.
Maybe things will change at higher lvls and/or with better gear, who knows?
As an aside: his interaction annoyed me; too much empty small talk, so I set it at minimum. As far as I have seen, he enjoyed combat and kill, which make him to like me. Other things, like harvesting, had no effect.4 -
HumbleThaumaturge✭✭✭✭When players answer the original poster's question, they should specify which version they were testing. For their answer to be useful, they need to have tested v7.0.4. You see, when I tested the initial Update 30 (v7.0.0), the companions were very squishy, dying almost immediately during all adventures. But ZOS made some changes to the companions to make them more hardy. When I tested again after v7.0.4, the companions were much, much better. After v7.0.04, my companion died only one time during our adventures, which included public dungeons, solo world bosses, dolmen, and delves. So thanks ZOS for responding to tester feedback and improving companion survivability.
But will a companion help you with game content??? I only got my companion to level 8.5 and only had the basic companion gear (which may be purchased from NPC vendors). I don't know if a companion is better help at higher levels, but at that level the companion was really not a significant helper. I was just happy that my companion no longer died. To answer your question reliably, we would need to hear from someone who got their companion to maximum level (level 20), equipped in purple-quality gear. From my testing so far, I would guess that a fully-developed companion may be some help, but in no way a substitute for a "real" player.12 -
Bradyfjord✭✭✭✭✭What I hope for is that ZOS tunes the companions over time. I also hope that if we complete the quests they gain power and survivability. I don't want them to be as tough as players. I do want to take the companions into normal dsa (for example) and expect them not to die in five seconds.3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I haven't watched a lot about them, from what I've seen you can out DPS them while fighting mobs/WB they are rendered mute but I will have one and maybe go with Tank so they can keep agro and I can just cut away without having to worry about healing0 -
BloodMagicLord✭✭✭✭They're never going to be anything close to as good as having an actual player with you so if anyone is expecting that then just forget it. Maybe they can outperform the classic light attack spammer that you can occasionally find in the dungeon finder but even here I have my doubts.PC EU | Tank | Immortal Redeemer | Gryphon Heart
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Everstorm✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Naked companions are pretty squishy, that's true. But I'm yet to test one with full golden gear though. So impossible to say for now.
You can't have golden gear on them, purple max. You can't even upgrade their gear yourself like your own gear, you have to be very lucky on drops, or buy them on the market7 -
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✭✭✭✭✭when companion die do you need to summon them from quickslot again
or do they become like in skyrim, crouching till they back
When they die, you have two choices:
1) Use a Soul Gem to revive them like you would a player, and break in-game story about Souls.
2) At the end of combat, they pop right back up and join at your side.
3) I know I said two, but this one is stupid. If you die then your Companion will mourn your dead body until you rez. If there's a mob nearby that you were in combat with, it will sometimes STAY in combat with your Companion who is mourning your dead body waiting for you to get back up, BUT you cannot rez because the mob and Companion are keeping you in combat.Edited by phaneub17_ESO on May 31, 2021 12:16PM11 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Weirdly what I was most disappointed about with the companions was not how terrible they were in combat. They are terrible in combat.
It was this;
https://youtu.be/s0XcDi9ZrBc
Do you see those non combat interactions? As far as I can tell they don’t really exist. Companions don’t really interact with the environment when not in combat. They will walk over stuff, follow you upstairs, etc, but that is about it.
At a bar they don’t drink, they don’t sit down, they just stand there really.
Like that bit around the 30 second mark? That to me feels very deceiving compared to what they are like in game.18 -
crazepdx✭✭✭✭I've tested them all the way up through 7.04, in purple gear with spec'd traits. They are still very weak. They don't die as often but they still stand in red and pull aggro, whether they have a taunt slotted or not. Their dps is meh. They do make ok healers. They can tank but you will need to slot heals that will keep the both of you alive.
Their gear is a rare drop that only drops when you are using them.
They have 0 inventory for gear of their own.
They have 3ish voices lines when you ask them about themselves
Maybe 10 total when you ask them how they feel about you. Depending on rapport level
They have 10-15 random world lines and combat lines.
After you have heard those then it's all on repeat.9 -
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✭I've tested them all the way up through 7.04, in purple gear with spec'd traits. They are still very weak. They don't die as often but they still stand in red and pull aggro, whether they have a taunt slotted or not. Their dps is meh. They do make ok healers. They can tank but you will need to slot heals that will keep the both of you alive.
Their gear is a rare drop that only drops when you are using them.
They have 0 inventory for gear of their own.
They have 3ish voices lines when you ask them about themselves
Maybe 10 total when you ask them how they feel about you. Depending on rapport level
They have 10-15 random world lines and combat lines.
After you have heard those then it's all on repeat.
Looking forward to summoning mine just for the drops to sell. After I kill the game sound and put on some albums in winamp it should not be so tedious
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crazepdx✭✭✭✭Toxic_Hemlock wrote: »I've tested them all the way up through 7.04, in purple gear with spec'd traits. They are still very weak. They don't die as often but they still stand in red and pull aggro, whether they have a taunt slotted or not. Their dps is meh. They do make ok healers. They can tank but you will need to slot heals that will keep the both of you alive.
Their gear is a rare drop that only drops when you are using them.
They have 0 inventory for gear of their own.
They have 3ish voices lines when you ask them about themselves
Maybe 10 total when you ask them how they feel about you. Depending on rapport level
They have 10-15 random world lines and combat lines.
After you have heard those then it's all on repeat.
Looking forward to summoning mine just for the drops to sell. After I kill the game sound and put on some albums in winamp it should not be so tedious.
This^^^^^^^^.3
