jcm2606 wrote: »

Then I mustn't qualify as a person, because I, for one, enjoy how fluid and dynamic weaving and animation cancelling makes the combat system.

What exactly do you think is "fluid" about it? If anything, its about as clunky as they come, in feel and in view.

fred4 wrote: »

I literally have no idea what the OP is talking about.

It appears he's talking about clipping animations but he may just be on about the animations in general not being up to standard.

He also said that "you'll find plenty of people on Reddit and other gaming forums saying that they like ESO but cannot stand its combat and have stopped playing because of it." which honestly, doesn't surprise me as they are literally bottom of the barrel players in terms of comprehension.

If we ever took Reddit forum ESO'ers seriously then we'd all be riding around in sunflowers and there would be no combat at all, only hand holding and dialogue.

jcm2606 wrote: »

Then I mustn't qualify as a person, because I, for one, enjoy how fluid and dynamic weaving and animation cancelling makes the combat system.

Most likely not. There is nothing "fluid and dynamic" about mindlessly pressing buttons in a regular rotation without any thought to the situation on the ground. Perhaps you are some kind of AI?

Uviryth wrote: »

BNOC wrote: »

fred4 wrote: »

I literally have no idea what the OP is talking about.

It appears he's talking about clipping animations but he may just be on about the animations in general not being up to standard.

He also said that "you'll find plenty of people on Reddit and other gaming forums saying that they like ESO but cannot stand its combat and have stopped playing because of it." which honestly, doesn't surprise me as they are literally bottom of the barrel players in terms of comprehension.

If we ever took Reddit forum ESO'ers seriously then we'd all be riding around in sunflowers and there would be no combat at all, only hand holding and dialogue.

I agree about Reddit, yet they are not wrong at this. If you talk to any ex-ESOplayer as to why they left, its almost always the Combat, sometimes the CP-System.

The players I know that have left (quite a lot, all max CP so that's not their issue) almost always blame it on "The patch nerfed my character", "Sorcs are **** now" or simply "New game, me like" etc.

Whilst that is related to combat, it's not in the sense of animations and weaving and often is just a hurdle that they choose not to try jump.

From point and click to tab target to action combat, ESO’s combat has been my favorite, though Tera had some cool combat.

The whole animation canceling has been an argument for years but I think it’s a nice little “separate the men/women from the boys/girls”.

If there was anything about combat or movement in general I didn’t like it would be jumping. It doesn’t feel right.

I can't understand how anyone can play ESO and not acknowledge that the combat is bland and lacks meaningful feedback, and effect. WoW's combat is direct, and everything you choose and do has an impact. With ESO, I can literally just default fire my bow and it feels the same as using my skills damage-wise. It's spongy and unsatisfying.

I don't know what Zenimax are doing, but as others here have said, improving the combat should be their number one priority. It is the biggest thing holding the game back. The world itself is beautiful.

Kaladinar wrote: »

I've played for hundreds of hours in ESO, mostly in the first couple of years after the PC launch. After stopping for a while, I've always continued to follow the game's updates and expansions, planning to return at one point or another since I like most of the game's core mechanics and I have enjoyed exploring the various regions.

However, there is one system that kept me from coming back for good and that is combat. The game's clunky and disappointing combat (mostly due to poor animations) has been the source of constant complaints ever since the beta, but the developers never really did focus on making it substantially better even if it's the single most important activity in the game, whether you are doing PvE content or PvP content. Whenever there is a public announcement of a new DLC and expansion, such as Elsweyr, you'll find plenty of people on Reddit and other gaming forums saying that they like ESO but cannot stand its combat and have stopped playing because of it.

I've always hoped the time would come when they'd address this open issue, but they haven't so far, which is a bit surprising to me since several MMORPGs did something similar over time, improving their combat systems (I'm not talking about balance here, mind you). Meanwhile, I ask you how important this would be for you personally. Hopefully, we can get a more accurate snapshot of how much this issue is truly felt in the community.

I've heard this from MMO players outside the ESO community, such as Kira TV on YouTube. He used the same word, "floaty". Can you please explain what you mean by that? I have yet to find anything of substance on this notion, anyone who has defined what "floaty" means or why they dislike the combat. Unfortunately I don't play other MMOs, so it would be great if you could explain this without referencing another game. If you're using another game as an example, then please explain what it actually is that makes the combat feel different.

I agree with others that animations won't change. I believe ZOS already revised them once, very early in the game's history. I doubt they will ever do it again. I'm really scratching my head though, because I think the combat is one of the strongest points of the game and the reason I've kept playing it for 6 years. Here are two of the points I like:

(1) Motion is stop / start between running and standing still. There is no sense of momentum. When you jump you can still do some things that may affect your trajectory. In other words, the game does not implement too realistic physics in this regard. However this is one of the things I really like in games. I hate games that implement delays to your control inputs in order to achieve more realistic character motion or better physics. This extends to rotating the camera as well. Games that are "jerky", but follow your keyboard and mouse inputs precisely play much better, in my opinion. In other words, if you have an issue with that, then we're simply at odds and no game is going to satisfy us both.

(2) I like animation cancelling, because it's integral to creating responsive combat. Dodge roll, block, bash, bar swap. If you couldn't do these things quickly, outside of the global cooldown, the game would just feel permanently laggy. This is part of what makes the game feel dynamic and fun. It also makes it harder to play, as you need to take full advantage of these mechanics to be competitive in, for example, PvP. It makes for a fast-paced game. That is a good thing. The relatively high skill ceiling is what gives you room to grow as a player and keeps you engaged.

I don't feel nearly as strongly about light / heavy attack weaving. It's not essential to the flow of combat, however it is deeply intertwined with many game mechanics, for example Merciless Resolve. I therefore don't see it going away and I don't have a problem with it.