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How are we supposed to use guild traders without 3rd party software?

  • Kalik_Gold
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    AlienMagi wrote: »
    How do the console players do it?

    Port to a bank, (because your own banker doesn't work)
    Check Guild stores
    Go to Wayshrine
    Port to Alik'r hub (where the 5-6 guilds are) skip the solo guild vendor by Bergama
    Port to Auridon hub (where the 5-6 guilds are) skip the solo guild vendor
    Repeat til Deshan
    By then you should have formulated what something costs/sells for

    Circle back and buy what I need, or continue on until I find a cheap price... give in about 1/3 way down the zone list
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    Ras Kalik the Vestige, a renown Redguard warrior; He has been blessed to save Tamriel from Molag Bal’s destructive Planemeld while reuniting the Five Companions. His further accomplishments after defeating Molag Bal, has been to stop the destruction of Morrowind, the Clockwork City, return order to the isle of Summerset and create a new king in Wrothgar and a queen in Elsywer. These events have made him a living legend and continue to lead him into new adventures throughout Tamriel, as well as into the hearts of many ladies including the Elf Queen, Aryenn. Over many years of adventurous travels, Ras Kalik had become a loner, until he re-visited his homeland of Alik'r.

    Alik'r and it's cities were overrun by the undead Ra-Netu and therefore he made an allegiance with Alik'r's own Ash'abah tribe. These Ash'abah with his help, cleansed the city of Sentinel in Alik'r desert and it's surrounding areas of the undead brought to life by the Withered Hand. After rescuing Sentinel from the undead zombies, King Fahara’jad’s personal bodyguard the Goliath of Hammerfell, who was given this name by Imperials in the region; was asked to assist the tribe after learning of the defeat of the Withered Hand to the Ash'abah. Kalik promised Goliath he would task him with fighting living enemies on the battlefield if he so desired. Goliath being a Yokudan warrior wields a massive sword in respect to the Ansei, a gift given by the Imperial, Cinan Tharn. Not many soldiers are able to wield double two handed weapons, but Goliath loves to get up and personal in a fight, so he also carries a giant maul, both weapons laced with magical flames.

    Jux Blackheart is a master thief that masquerades as a Bard at the Sisters of the Sands inn, with his younger sidekick Lucky Hunch for pilfering and gambling during this time. Jux was known to infiltrate any towns bank vault he came across and even delved into Ayelid ruins without detection. Kalik can vividly recall the night he met the famed thief. Jux found himself rummaging thru a slightly inebriated Kalik’s pocket for too long, on a full-mooned night and because of his greed and the glimmer of his golden armor in the moonlight. He lost his left pinky fingertip as a lesson! But in return, he gained a new friend, as it was his first time since a child being caught red-handed...

    Upon arrival back in the Alik'r after many moons of adventuring, Ras Kalik ventures to Bergama. Visiting The Winking Jackal, he runs into Jux Blackheart, who introduces him to the coin game Crowns vs Forebearers (Heads vs Tails) and Golden Dwemer (RBG).... Jux constantly takes gold from the unfortunate thru theft or gambling, his biggest gambling victim is actually his partner in crime known as Lucky Hunch the Gambler. Lucky doesn't mind losing any gold coins to Jux... as Jux saved him from Altmer slavers in Summerset, by stealing a key and sending him on a boat to the mainland years prior. Lucky spent years in slavery with Khajiits in Summerset and picked up the art of subterfuge, using illusion magic disguises and stealing there.

    Kaotik Von’Daemon an outcast, and a half-caste between a Breton mother and a Redguard father. Kaotik become a pariah due to his conjuration of Daedra pets. He was taught healing magic during his childhood years by his Breton mother. His father due to Redguard customs exiled him from the desert, sending him by wagon caravan to be a soldier in the war in Cyrodiil. He happened to meet Kalik while traveling from Alik'r, during this long caravan ride the caravan he was in was ambushed in Bangkorai by a group of bandits. Kalik by chance was also traveling thru this area on his Auridon Warhorse (which was bestowed to him by his friend, Darien Gautier). During this ambush, Kalik was able to rescue five hostages from the bandits. Kaotik was the first rescued, and Ras Kalik also recruited him to be in the Ash'abah tribe. These core Ash'abah tribesmen may never be seen together in travel as they partake in their own adventures but they always know what each other is doing; as they frequent a hideout in northern Bankorai. Their hideout an old Orc castle ruin, is kept watch by Nuzhimeh and she passes messages written between them, and frequently they also enjoy her company and her bed.

    The other men rescued were a Dunmer banker, an Imperial mercenary and two other soldiers, an Imperial and a Breton Knight, stating proudly he was an Akavir descendent. One of the Imperials, Cinan, claimed to be related to Abnur Tharn the Battlemage of the Imperial Elder Council (One of Ras Kalik's mentors in the Five Companions). Cinan Tharn was really Abnur's drunkard treasure hunting illegitimate son. He was caught smuggling artifacts out of the Ayleid ruins in Cyrodiil and the elder of the two Imperials was Tyrus Septim a retired Imperial navy battle-mage (now a Lycan mercenary living in the city of Rimmen) and guard to the Tharn family. As much as Abnur Tharn hated his half-sister Euraxia, he dislikes his bas†ard son Cinan more. Tyrus now a ruffian and privateer had been paid by Abnur Tharn to watch over Cinan as much as possible. Cinan Tharn a drunkard, loves to drink at least a quarter barrel of Nord mead before he raids various delves and dungeons for relics to sell on the black market. Cinan also plans to one day, run an illegal gambling ring... which he thinks will net him more gold for his wares.

    The Dunmer captive shackled to the Imperials looked familiar to Kalik from his time in Morrowind.... and he recognized him as Tythis Andromo a House Telvanni slave-owner and banker from Vvardenfell. During a rough interrogation to Tythis, Ras Kalik learnt why the bandits accosted him. The racist Dunmer was providing slaves as soldiers for the Three Banner War. The bandits were trying to negotiate a lucrative ransom for Andromo and the Imperials.... Kalik did not need any of this gold and he could never set Tythis free as he did with the two Imperial soldiers. His past involvement with slavery and war crimes, made Kalik's blood boil. He chose not to execute Tythis, as he figured the worse punishment for this former rich and opulent slave owner, is to now be an imprisoned servant for Ras Kalik and the tribe.

    Herzog Zwei the Genesis a reknown Imperial/Akavirri battle-mage. His roots going back to Akavir through his mother’s bloodline. (His mother is descended from the Akaviri, through Versidue-Shae, and his Imperial father met her in Hakoshae, while traveling) Herzog earned the nickname "the Genesis" from his father as a child, as he was his mother's first born child, and last, as she tragically died in child-birth.

    Herzog was seeking to purchase an artifact from Cinan Tharn, before their capture and was meeting Tyrus while in Rimmen, who introduced him to Cinan. This artifact being the Ayelid artifact; the sword Sinweaver. After their rescue and the exchange of gold to Cinan for the sword he decided to slip away before Ras Kalik could question who he was, and why the Akavir descendant really wanted that sword. Herzog was headed to Nagastani — An Ayleid ruin in eastern Cyrodiil. He had read in scrolls that the Sword would give him magical powers to meet his mothers spirit, if he performed an Ayleid ritual at an old shrine hidden there. Equipped with the artifact sword, he was off to start his own adventure but Ras Kalik, did indeed notice the sword however and instead sent a letter to Jux Blackheart (whom also was interested in Ayleid treasures), to attempt to find Herzog and acquire the sword. (*Azani Blackheart in Elder Scroll's Oblivion is Jux's descendant some 747 years later)

    And so the Redguard, Imperial and Akaviri men parted ways ... While Ras Kalik went off to Elsweyr to encounter the latest threat to Tamriel, with Abnur Tharn and Sai Sahan - - DRAGONS!! Little did Ras Kalik know a few people were awaiting him in Senchal besides Sai. A necromancer survived his attack on the Withered Hand, while in Alik'r. The necromancer known as Auriek Siet'ka is also following him to the land of the Khajiits and Cacique the Sage of Ius a Shaman mystic who has become attuned spiritually with Tu'whacca (a Redguard God) and Ius (the Animal God), after being burned severely by the escaped dragons in Elsywer, is awaiting his arrival also. Aurik is a soldier of the Daggerfall Covenant that was introduced to necromancy while in the military, even though this magicka art is not spoken of openly by most of the Military leaders. He came to Alik'r and worked with the Withered Hand before Ras Kalik intervened on their plans. After the defeat of the Withered Hand, he aligned with the Worm Cult, and is constantly adapting and perfecting his necromantic arts.

    After his journey to Rimmen, Kalik heads south to Senchal, in the southern regions of Elyswer. This new adventure will also put him on a path to meet a strange Redguard man. The stranger which was infected with an untreated Peyrite disease and also was the exiled from the Order of the New Moon cult, due to his sickness. He originally joined the cult to worship Laatvulon, the green dragon, mistakenly thinking it was the Daedric prince Peyrite. This confused and suffering cultist is known as Tsar al-Bomba and he is on a path to spread the disease. He was originally infected in Orccrest while recruiting members there. Can Ras Kalik and the shaman Cacique cure this poor soul, only time will tell. Little does Tsar al-Bomba know, that his infection is tied to Vampirism, and eventually the desire for blood will take over his mind. Senchal also offers Kalik his latest love interest... Aeliah. Whom he fondly led thru battles with the Dragonguard.

    After the trek thru the heat, tropical and desert climate of Northern and Southern Elyswer, Ras Kalik heads north to the cold mountain range of Skyrim. His companion friend Lyris beckons for him with a letter sent by crow...

    Movárth Piquine - a former vampire hunter (now infected), within the Fighter's Guild (and a secretive necromancer) was in Skyrim working with the Morthaal Guard. On a patrol mission he was caught in Frewien's ice curse outside of Morthaal with the frozen undead. Movárth's vampiric infection kept him from becoming an undead minion to the curse. He was able to use necromantic ice-magic to encase himself safely until he was freed with Freiwen, when the Vestige Ras Kalik broke the curse.

    Uri Ice-Heart - brother of Urfon Ice-Heart. The twin sons of Atli and Oljourn Ice-Heart. The Ice-Heart family are originally from Markarth but now reside on the Jerall Mountain range near Cyrodiil, with their younger sister Araki. The twins had joined the Winterborn Reachmen while living in Markarth. Urfon pushed west to Orsinium with the Winterborn Clan, leaving his family behind. Uri stayed behind with his parents and sister to live in the family cabin for safety, avoiding the Vampire plague infiltrating the Reach. After news reaches him and he hears of Urfon's death... Uri leaves and heads home and is seeking vengeance. Meanwhile, his sister has also moved on to Windhelm to join the Fighter's guild. He will visit his sister, once before going to seek vengeance and she will craft him armor mixed with ice, called Stalhrim armor. Uri fearing death, after his brother's passing, falls victim to the convincing talk of Movárth at a Nordic tavern, and will also becomes a vampire.

    {time moves forward through the hour-glass}
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  • AlnilamE
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    I once posted a motif--I forget what-- in the guild store for 5k, my GM bought it nearly at once and messaged me that it was RARE and worth 75k! She sent it back to me and suggested I try again lol.
    On the other side if the equation, when I first went to find gear for my bomber, I found a GOLD, DIVINES jerkin of VD for 50 gold. Not 500. Not 50k. Just.... 50.
    I snapped it up, and I bet someone cried real tears when they got that mail and realized what they had done.

    During the last event I scored a motif page for about 50 gold that was selling for about 75k. I felt bad and sent the seller about 60k in the mail with a message. They sent me back the gold.
    Chips_Ahoy wrote: »
    i like the guild store thing, but i think we need a official price tooltip.

    The day they ban TTC will be the day I stop playing, in no way am I going to spend hours looking for the "correct" price of the item I want to sell.

    that TTC does not give the "real" price and sometimes it is low, well, it is not really gold you know?

    I mean, anything above vendor price is a profit. Everything else depends on what other players are willing to pay for it, and that changes over time.

    I remember when I started playing and blue motif books went for 2000 gold and the Daedric/Barbaric/etc went for 30K

    Now you can barely give them away.
    The Moot Councillor
  • Jeremy
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    AlienMagi wrote: »
    I dont like using tamriel trade centre just to know how much my items are worth. Can someone explain to me how i am supposed to trade in this game without having to use 3rd party software like addons or TTC's website?

    How do the console players do it?

    Is it about time for a central guild trader listing to be added in the game?

    Should ZOS put a disclaimer on the game that unlicensed 3rd party software is required to play the game?

    lol, pretty much. I've said it before that ZoS should pay the author of that program a royalty. If it wasn't for TTC this game's economy would be far less manageable. I feel sorry for console players in that regard.

    But to answer your question: yes, this game should have a central guild trader listing. There is no good reason not have one, especially now that addons are already doing it. Which nearly everyone relies on b.t.w. Yet many of those same people who rely on it say they don't want one. So go figure. Good luck figuring that one out.
    Edited by Jeremy on May 13, 2021 5:44PM
  • the1andonlyskwex
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    PS4 player here.

    Anything I don't need personally, I just DC or vendor. I'm sure I'm losing out on tons of gold, but dealing with the broken mess we have now isn't worth it.

    If I'm just buying, I go to a major hub city, check all the vendors there and buy from the cheapest.
  • Goregrinder
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    PS4 player here.

    Anything I don't need personally, I just DC or vendor. I'm sure I'm losing out on tons of gold, but dealing with the broken mess we have now isn't worth it.

    If I'm just buying, I go to a major hub city, check all the vendors there and buy from the cheapest.

    That's because you value your time at a higher rate than a lot of other people. I'm like you, if something saves me time, I tend to value it over making an extra few thousand here and there. My time is worth more than that.
  • AlienMagi
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    Thanks for all the advice everyone, but most of you still suggested that i check popular hubs for each item's worth, which still wastes many hours of my time.

    I think ZOS really needs to incorporate a system that lets players *see* all guild trader listings in one place. And people need to keep asking for it or else we will forever rely on 3rd party software.

    This also puts many people off from wanting to play the game, including a friend of mine who quit the game mainly for this reason (and for not having a class change token).

    And to the people who claim that this would cause lag, no it wouldnt. The game already processes all the listing in real time constantly, and giving you a full list in one place should not affect latency or performance. There is a reason why all other MMOs can do this without any issues.
  • Jeremy
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    PS4 player here.

    Anything I don't need personally, I just DC or vendor. I'm sure I'm losing out on tons of gold, but dealing with the broken mess we have now isn't worth it.

    If I'm just buying, I go to a major hub city, check all the vendors there and buy from the cheapest.

    That's what I used to do back before I knew about the TTC website. I just deconstructed or vendored everything because trying to sell stuff was too much of a headache.
  • Nastassiya
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    Nestor wrote: »
    I know this is another veiled "I want an auction house" thread..

    Confirmed. It's really getting old seeing duplicate threads for this and the class change token.

  • AlienMagi
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    Nastassiya wrote: »
    Nestor wrote: »
    I know this is another veiled "I want an auction house" thread..

    Confirmed. It's really getting old seeing duplicate threads for this and the class change token.

    Usually having constant never ending requests is a red flag indicator that something is very wrong with the current system and that the community wants improvements. So what is your point?

    "its getting old" is not an argument.
    Do you not want the game to be successful and have a healthy influx of new players?

    I dont know about you but i would prefer to have the game stay alive and to be able to recommend it to my friends with a clear conscience.
  • AlnilamE
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    AlienMagi wrote: »
    Thanks for all the advice everyone, but most of you still suggested that i check popular hubs for each item's worth, which still wastes many hours of my time.

    I think ZOS really needs to incorporate a system that lets players *see* all guild trader listings in one place. And people need to keep asking for it or else we will forever rely on 3rd party software.

    This also puts many people off from wanting to play the game, including a friend of mine who quit the game mainly for this reason (and for not having a class change token).

    And to the people who claim that this would cause lag, no it wouldnt. The game already processes all the listing in real time constantly, and giving you a full list in one place should not affect latency or performance. There is a reason why all other MMOs can do this without any issues.

    I'm of the opposite mind and would not be unhappy if TTC was disabled outside of the game. Keeping track of things in game is one thing, but there shouldn't be an outside website like that.

    And if you think there's no lag in central markets, have you played GW2?

    At the end of the day, you can list things for whatever amount you want. If you want to just look at your own guild and list yours 1 gold cheaper, you'll be fine. If you want to take the time to visit every trader to find and average, you'll be fine as well.

    It's all about how much you care what other people are selling things for over what you are willing to part with stuff for.
    The Moot Councillor
  • Sanctum74
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    There’s nothing wrong with bringing up a change in the forums, but I think the problem is when people make a bait thread or say things that simply are not true like it takes hours to find a price or item when in reality it only takes minutes or there’s not enough guild traders when chat is literally spammed with join my guild messages and many of them for free.

    I can understand trying to get new players, but if they can’t spend a few minutes at a trader then chances are they aren’t going to stay anyways considering how long it takes to level up and acquire different skill lines.

  • Goregrinder
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    AlienMagi wrote: »
    Nastassiya wrote: »
    Nestor wrote: »
    I know this is another veiled "I want an auction house" thread..

    Confirmed. It's really getting old seeing duplicate threads for this and the class change token.

    Usually having constant never ending requests is a red flag indicator that something is very wrong with the current system and that the community wants improvements. So what is your point?

    "its getting old" is not an argument.
    Do you not want the game to be successful and have a healthy influx of new players?

    I dont know about you but i would prefer to have the game stay alive and to be able to recommend it to my friends with a clear conscience.

    That's kind of a loaded statement. It implies that the only way for the game to stay alive, is for them to implement an auction house. And that if they don't, the game will 100% die. But there's no evidence to support that stance, since the game has gone 7 years now without a central auction house. And it's still alive.

    You also suggest that if ZOS keeps getting complaints about something, that in itself is a sign that they need to fix what the complaint is about. However, if these complaints are from the same handful of people who make the rounds, then that in itself is not a proper way to decide if a change should be made. It matters who the complaints are from, and why they are complaints.

    What we read on the forums isn't an representation of the entire ESO player base, even though it might seem like it is.
  • LettuceBrain
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    AlienMagi wrote: »
    Thanks for all the advice everyone, but most of you still suggested that i check popular hubs for each item's worth, which still wastes many hours of my time.

    I think ZOS really needs to incorporate a system that lets players *see* all guild trader listings in one place. And people need to keep asking for it or else we will forever rely on 3rd party software.

    This also puts many people off from wanting to play the game, including a friend of mine who quit the game mainly for this reason (and for not having a class change token).

    And to the people who claim that this would cause lag, no it wouldnt. The game already processes all the listing in real time constantly, and giving you a full list in one place should not affect latency or performance. There is a reason why all other MMOs can do this without any issues.

    Imagine complaining about something console players deal with all the time.
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  • deleted221106-002999
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    If buying ask in zone for whatever you want at a ridiculously low price. About a dozen players will virtually point and laugh at your naivete and some will post various add-on prices - this will give a very good indication of what to buy at.

    If selling in zone, say "WTS item" for an outrageously vast price. Another bunch of players will harangue and insult you as a greedy rip-off and some will post their add-on prices giving you a great idea of what to sell at.

    Either takes about 10seconds in total. Easy.
  • LettuceBrain
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    Souterain wrote: »
    If buying ask in zone for whatever you want at a ridiculously low price. About a dozen players will virtually point and laugh at your naivete and some will post various add-on prices - this will give a very good indication of what to buy at.

    If selling in zone, say "WTS item" for an outrageously vast price. Another bunch of players will harangue and insult you as a greedy rip-off and some will post their add-on prices giving you a great idea of what to sell at.

    Either takes about 10seconds in total. Easy.

    A extremely fast method, but at the cost of everyone's respect for you. I like it.
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  • Goregrinder
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    AlienMagi wrote: »
    Thanks for all the advice everyone, but most of you still suggested that i check popular hubs for each item's worth, which still wastes many hours of my time.

    I think ZOS really needs to incorporate a system that lets players *see* all guild trader listings in one place. And people need to keep asking for it or else we will forever rely on 3rd party software.

    This also puts many people off from wanting to play the game, including a friend of mine who quit the game mainly for this reason (and for not having a class change token).

    And to the people who claim that this would cause lag, no it wouldnt. The game already processes all the listing in real time constantly, and giving you a full list in one place should not affect latency or performance. There is a reason why all other MMOs can do this without any issues.

    Imagine complaining about something console players deal with all the time.

    Yeah I feel ya. Having played since the original 2014 launch on PC, we didn't have TTC back then like we do now. We had to manually go to each trader. On top of that, the first 2 weeks the game went life, not a lot of guilds even had a trader yet, so most of our trade was done via zone chat, then running to a new zone to spam that item out again in zone chat. You did that until it sold to someone.

    At least now in 2021, all traders are in full use, and everyone knows where the "busy" traders are....that part has been already identified, so you can cut down the time it takes by just starting with the big towns first.
  • iksde
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    Sanctum74 wrote: »
    ...but if they can’t spend a few minutes at a trader then chances are they aren’t going to stay anyways considering how long it takes to level up and acquire different skill lines.

    nope, Im not going to waste few minutes for every item I would have to list - 100-500 sitting in mine guild bank depending on how uch I had no time to currently list all of it when I was playing 75%+ are motifs and recipes worthin minimum 1k+

    and still even with recipes or motifs worth around 1k or 2k gold it is very not sure when it will be sold if I will price it for lest say 1200 instead 1000 gold, I have had already so many cases with cheap item how theyw as sitting for weeks in price I set from 1k to 2k and when they expire I relisted them for even 200 gold lower and it was selling much faster....so overall not big price, not big difference in price at all but it can make a big difference in time of selling it so for most cases I need also to check price for so cheap items from TTC isntead blindly listing them for rough price it is showed as average

    with TTC it is taking me just moment per item to check its price whiel without it would take me good few mins to run from few traders atleast for price check...nty, I may have life or not but definitelly Im not going to waste my time for such pathetic thing in game only becaue I was playng game and earning items and now I want to get better profit from tham than selling it to vendor as freshly released motif for example or just new item sets when it is definitelly worth more than in vendor
  • AlienMagi
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    AlnilamE wrote: »
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    And if you think there's no lag in central markets, have you played GW2?
    Yes i have and the reason why that caused "lag" is because of the amount of players that were present there, not because of the amount of items listed in the auction house, but eso already works around that.
    That's kind of a loaded statement. It implies that the only way for the game to stay alive, is for them to implement an auction house. And that if they don't, the game will 100% die. But there's no evidence to support that stance, since the game has gone 7 years now without a central auction house. And it's still alive.
    I never said the game will die because of this issue, i said it hurts the game and discourages new players from playing the game. Kind of dishonest to misrepresent my point like that.
    Sanctum74 wrote: »
    but I think the problem is when people make a bait thread or say things that simply are not true like it takes hours to find a price or item when in reality it only takes minutes or there’s not enough guild traders when chat is literally spammed with join my guild messages and many of them for free.
    I think you misunderstood my posts. Yes it takes a couple of minutes for 1 item, but when you want to sell 30 or more items and add that up it ends up being taking hours.

    Over a course of a month that adds up to a few dozens of hours that you could have saved if ZOS added a proper listing system.
  • Kiralyn2000
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    How are we supposed to use guild traders without 3rd party software?

    Poorly.
    Iccotak wrote: »
    I walk around multiple trading hubs and find the item at a cost I find reasonable to pay

    Yeah, that sounds like "poorly."
    I’m a console player and I’ll let you in on a little secret as to how I find the best price. I approach a trader. I search for I want. Then I approach another trader. Search for what I want and compare. Then approach another trader. Then search for what I want and compare. Then... well, you get the point. I actually visit every trader in the zones until I get a good enough idea and go to the one I’m willing to pay for.

    That definitely sounds like "poorly."



    edit: that said... stop trying to make Auction House happen. It's not going to happen.
    Edited by Kiralyn2000 on May 13, 2021 10:42PM
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    Souterain wrote: »
    If buying ask in zone for whatever you want at a ridiculously low price. About a dozen players will virtually point and laugh at your naivete and some will post various add-on prices - this will give a very good indication of what to buy at.

    If selling in zone, say "WTS item" for an outrageously vast price. Another bunch of players will harangue and insult you as a greedy rip-off and some will post their add-on prices giving you a great idea of what to sell at.

    Either takes about 10seconds in total. Easy.

    Honestly the best answer here. Instant price check
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    Sanctum74 wrote: »
    or say things that simply are not true like it takes hours to find a price or item when in reality it only takes minutes

    That depends on the item, doesn't it? With less-common items it might take a few hubs before you find anyone who has that particular item listed. It might be quicker to go with a similar-but-different item, but how do you know there's no exact match until after you've looked around?

    And "minutes" is kind of vague, since it includes anything from 1 minute to either 59 or 119 minutes, depending on whether you consider "hours" plural to include anything less than 2 hours.

    Also, when I've used TTC to look for a specific item-- say, a particular piece of armor of a particular set-- the listed prices have varied depending on things like the quality of the gear, the trait on the gear, and even the enchantment. Assuming one were not using TTC, it might take a while to find enough listings that are similar enough to ones particular item to get a feel for what other people are charging.

    I'm just saying-- the amount of time you spend searching can vary depending on how common the item is, how hard it is to find a "close enough" match, how much effort you're willing to put into it, and how thorough you want to be.

    The fact is, even with TTC it can take a while, and if you're too quick or don't understand what you should be looking for then you might end up with an inaccurate price. I've seen players post a WTS in chat for a master writ, only to have other players tell them that the price is unrealistically high, and when the first player says "but that's what people are listing it for on TTC" the other players must point out that the number of writ vouchers awarded for the master writ make a difference-- and that doesn't include other possible factors, such as how expensive the mats needed to craft the master writ happen to be.

    So ignoring the question of whether or not this is "just another 'we need a central auction house' thread in disguise," the issue of how to go about pricing items reasonably and accurately for sale is not at all stupid or frivolous.
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    Even if you don't want the add on's if you think you have a rare item just ask for a price check in chat link the item and someone will usually be happy to link you the price information from one or all the add on's to use as a guide, then its up to you to make up your own mind what you want to list the item for.

    If you don't want to do that visit a number of trader hubs compare items, even then be aware that visiting the major trade hubs to determine your prices is not going to help you much if your trader is in the middle of nowhere.

    As the big city traders can get away with higher prices on mats in particular and there is a good chance your only seeing the higher listed items left on the shelves since all the lower priced items have sold out for the day by the time you get there to check.

    Even if you personally do not have the add on your still likely benefiting from it, a lot of guild members in my trade guilds make a point to scan all the guilds listings with TTC once a day so those without it get there items on the website since it helps move stock especially in remote trader locations.
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    It’s funny how certain people are anti-auction house, pro immersive and pro engagement. But we have a wayshrine system that is anti-immersive and anti-engagement.

    Eso trader hub prices isn’t always accurate. Just because someone sold a furnishing plan for 600k, doesn’t mean your interested buyers are willing to meet that price. I’ve got a packrat toon that has about 40 rare furnishing plans. I’ve lost about a million when I listed them in guild traders, about 100k less than hub prices and those furnishing plans went 30 days unsold.

    This is why auction houses are not a bad idea. Sell an item at a high price, pay for the fee, the item loses price value over time but it will get sold faster than you can think. If there’s an auction item for 300k and person A is waiting for it to drop to 150k. Person A will lose the chance when person B comes a long and buys that item when it hits 250k-200k.
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    I personally couldn’t care about immersion, I just see no reason to ruin the economy and destroy hundreds of trading guilds just because a few select people can’t spend a few minutes of their time. No to mention trading is also end game for a lot of players.

    Those same people would be the first ones to complain when the 100k staff they wanted is now 500k and mat prices double because it would be so easy to control the economy.

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    Sanctum74 wrote: »
    I personally couldn’t care about immersion, I just see no reason to ruin the economy and destroy hundreds of trading guilds just because a few select people can’t spend a few minutes of their time. No to mention trading is also end game for a lot of players.

    Those same people would be the first ones to complain when the 100k staff they wanted is now 500k and mat prices double because it would be so easy to control the economy.

    Can you please read the thread before posting? Youre taking everything out of context. The suggestion was a central hub where you can view all guild trader listings, not an auction house. We already have this with 3rd party software like TTC, and it doesnt "ruin the economy" in any way.

    And like it was already established it doesnt take "a few minutes" to properly trade in this game without addons, it takes hours.
    Edited by AlienMagi on May 14, 2021 1:05AM
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    AlienMagi wrote: »
    Sanctum74 wrote: »
    I personally couldn’t care about immersion, I just see no reason to ruin the economy and destroy hundreds of trading guilds just because a few select people can’t spend a few minutes of their time. No to mention trading is also end game for a lot of players.

    Those same people would be the first ones to complain when the 100k staff they wanted is now 500k and mat prices double because it would be so easy to control the economy.

    Can you please read the thread before posting? Youre taking everything out of context. The suggestion was a central hub where you can view all guild trader listings, not an auction house. We already have this with 3rd party software like TTC, and it doesnt "ruin the economy" in any way.

    And like it was already established it doesnt take "a few minutes" to properly trade in this game without addons, it takes hours.

    Great advice to follow and you will see that people are talking about auction houses as well so nothing has been taken out of context.

    As far as your idea goes, could zos even make that work? As it is the system struggles just to search one guild at a time and would probably lead to more performance issues.

    As far as time spent goes, saying the same thing over and over again doesn’t make it true. It does not take hours, I’ve been playing since release on console with no ttc before they had an in game search function and even then it never took hours.

  • AlienMagi
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    Sanctum74 wrote: »
    AlienMagi wrote: »
    Sanctum74 wrote: »
    I personally couldn’t care about immersion, I just see no reason to ruin the economy and destroy hundreds of trading guilds just because a few select people can’t spend a few minutes of their time. No to mention trading is also end game for a lot of players.

    Those same people would be the first ones to complain when the 100k staff they wanted is now 500k and mat prices double because it would be so easy to control the economy.

    Can you please read the thread before posting? Youre taking everything out of context. The suggestion was a central hub where you can view all guild trader listings, not an auction house. We already have this with 3rd party software like TTC, and it doesnt "ruin the economy" in any way.

    And like it was already established it doesnt take "a few minutes" to properly trade in this game without addons, it takes hours.

    Great advice to follow and you will see that people are talking about auction houses as well so nothing has been taken out of context.

    As far as your idea goes, could zos even make that work? As it is the system struggles just to search one guild at a time and would probably lead to more performance issues.

    As far as time spent goes, saying the same thing over and over again doesn’t make it true. It does not take hours, I’ve been playing since release on console with no ttc before they had an in game search function and even then it never took hours.

    The concern about "performance" (ill just assume youre talking about latency or frame rate) has already been adressed and its a non issue.

    The issue why and how trading ends up wasting hours upon hours of players time has also been adressed several times in the thread. Thats why i suggested you read it before posting.
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    AlienMagi wrote: »
    Sanctum74 wrote: »
    AlienMagi wrote: »
    Sanctum74 wrote: »
    I personally couldn’t care about immersion, I just see no reason to ruin the economy and destroy hundreds of trading guilds just because a few select people can’t spend a few minutes of their time. No to mention trading is also end game for a lot of players.

    Those same people would be the first ones to complain when the 100k staff they wanted is now 500k and mat prices double because it would be so easy to control the economy.

    Can you please read the thread before posting? Youre taking everything out of context. The suggestion was a central hub where you can view all guild trader listings, not an auction house. We already have this with 3rd party software like TTC, and it doesnt "ruin the economy" in any way.

    And like it was already established it doesnt take "a few minutes" to properly trade in this game without addons, it takes hours.

    Great advice to follow and you will see that people are talking about auction houses as well so nothing has been taken out of context.

    As far as your idea goes, could zos even make that work? As it is the system struggles just to search one guild at a time and would probably lead to more performance issues.

    As far as time spent goes, saying the same thing over and over again doesn’t make it true. It does not take hours, I’ve been playing since release on console with no ttc before they had an in game search function and even then it never took hours.

    The concern about "performance" (ill just assume youre talking about latency or frame rate) has already been adressed and its a non issue.

    The issue why and how trading ends up wasting hours upon hours of players time has also been adressed several times in the thread. Thats why i suggested you read it before posting.

    In regards to performance many times the search function takes a long time, locks up, or doesn’t display anything. I haven’t seen anything in this thread indicating you understand their code enough to fix that or let alone make it work on a larger scale which could potentially cause performance problems in other areas of the game.

    As far as wasting hours, yes maybe over weeks or months, but when you make it sound like every time you trade takes hours is just wrong, maybe you should read the thread as well.

  • AlienMagi
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    Sanctum74 wrote: »
    AlienMagi wrote: »
    Sanctum74 wrote: »
    AlienMagi wrote: »
    Sanctum74 wrote: »
    I personally couldn’t care about immersion, I just see no reason to ruin the economy and destroy hundreds of trading guilds just because a few select people can’t spend a few minutes of their time. No to mention trading is also end game for a lot of players.

    Those same people would be the first ones to complain when the 100k staff they wanted is now 500k and mat prices double because it would be so easy to control the economy.

    Can you please read the thread before posting? Youre taking everything out of context. The suggestion was a central hub where you can view all guild trader listings, not an auction house. We already have this with 3rd party software like TTC, and it doesnt "ruin the economy" in any way.

    And like it was already established it doesnt take "a few minutes" to properly trade in this game without addons, it takes hours.

    Great advice to follow and you will see that people are talking about auction houses as well so nothing has been taken out of context.

    As far as your idea goes, could zos even make that work? As it is the system struggles just to search one guild at a time and would probably lead to more performance issues.

    As far as time spent goes, saying the same thing over and over again doesn’t make it true. It does not take hours, I’ve been playing since release on console with no ttc before they had an in game search function and even then it never took hours.

    The concern about "performance" (ill just assume youre talking about latency or frame rate) has already been adressed and its a non issue.

    The issue why and how trading ends up wasting hours upon hours of players time has also been adressed several times in the thread. Thats why i suggested you read it before posting.

    In regards to performance many times the search function takes a long time, locks up, or doesn’t display anything. I haven’t seen anything in this thread indicating you understand their code enough to fix that or let alone make it work on a larger scale which could potentially cause performance problems in other areas of the game.

    As far as wasting hours, yes maybe over weeks or months, but when you make it sound like every time you trade takes hours is just wrong, maybe you should read the thread as well.

    I literally made proper arguments for both of the issues that you are describing and youre simply not adressing them.

    Im sorry but im not going to repeat myself when someone prefers skipping posts.
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    AlienMagi wrote: »
    Sanctum74 wrote: »
    AlienMagi wrote: »
    Sanctum74 wrote: »
    AlienMagi wrote: »
    Sanctum74 wrote: »
    I personally couldn’t care about immersion, I just see no reason to ruin the economy and destroy hundreds of trading guilds just because a few select people can’t spend a few minutes of their time. No to mention trading is also end game for a lot of players.

    Those same people would be the first ones to complain when the 100k staff they wanted is now 500k and mat prices double because it would be so easy to control the economy.

    Can you please read the thread before posting? Youre taking everything out of context. The suggestion was a central hub where you can view all guild trader listings, not an auction house. We already have this with 3rd party software like TTC, and it doesnt "ruin the economy" in any way.

    And like it was already established it doesnt take "a few minutes" to properly trade in this game without addons, it takes hours.

    Great advice to follow and you will see that people are talking about auction houses as well so nothing has been taken out of context.

    As far as your idea goes, could zos even make that work? As it is the system struggles just to search one guild at a time and would probably lead to more performance issues.

    As far as time spent goes, saying the same thing over and over again doesn’t make it true. It does not take hours, I’ve been playing since release on console with no ttc before they had an in game search function and even then it never took hours.

    The concern about "performance" (ill just assume youre talking about latency or frame rate) has already been adressed and its a non issue.

    The issue why and how trading ends up wasting hours upon hours of players time has also been adressed several times in the thread. Thats why i suggested you read it before posting.

    In regards to performance many times the search function takes a long time, locks up, or doesn’t display anything. I haven’t seen anything in this thread indicating you understand their code enough to fix that or let alone make it work on a larger scale which could potentially cause performance problems in other areas of the game.

    As far as wasting hours, yes maybe over weeks or months, but when you make it sound like every time you trade takes hours is just wrong, maybe you should read the thread as well.

    I literally made proper arguments for both of the issues that you are describing and youre simply not adressing them.

    Im sorry but im not going to repeat myself when someone prefers skipping posts.

    I guess we can agree to disagree because I’ve checked the thread several times over and you haven’t addressed them at all. Ultimately it’s not my mind you have to change its zos, but they are not going to take the request seriously when you keep saying things that aren’t true. I’ll bow out at this point, have a good night.

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