How do the console players do it?
FantasticFreddie wrote: »I once posted a motif--I forget what-- in the guild store for 5k, my GM bought it nearly at once and messaged me that it was RARE and worth 75k! She sent it back to me and suggested I try again lol.
On the other side if the equation, when I first went to find gear for my bomber, I found a GOLD, DIVINES jerkin of VD for 50 gold. Not 500. Not 50k. Just.... 50.
I snapped it up, and I bet someone cried real tears when they got that mail and realized what they had done.
Chips_Ahoy wrote: »i like the guild store thing, but i think we need a official price tooltip.
The day they ban TTC will be the day I stop playing, in no way am I going to spend hours looking for the "correct" price of the item I want to sell.
that TTC does not give the "real" price and sometimes it is low, well, it is not really gold you know?
I dont like using tamriel trade centre just to know how much my items are worth. Can someone explain to me how i am supposed to trade in this game without having to use 3rd party software like addons or TTC's website?
How do the console players do it?
Is it about time for a central guild trader listing to be added in the game?
Should ZOS put a disclaimer on the game that unlicensed 3rd party software is required to play the game?
the1andonlyskwex wrote: »PS4 player here.
Anything I don't need personally, I just DC or vendor. I'm sure I'm losing out on tons of gold, but dealing with the broken mess we have now isn't worth it.
If I'm just buying, I go to a major hub city, check all the vendors there and buy from the cheapest.
the1andonlyskwex wrote: »PS4 player here.
Anything I don't need personally, I just DC or vendor. I'm sure I'm losing out on tons of gold, but dealing with the broken mess we have now isn't worth it.
If I'm just buying, I go to a major hub city, check all the vendors there and buy from the cheapest.
Nastassiya wrote: »
Thanks for all the advice everyone, but most of you still suggested that i check popular hubs for each item's worth, which still wastes many hours of my time.
I think ZOS really needs to incorporate a system that lets players *see* all guild trader listings in one place. And people need to keep asking for it or else we will forever rely on 3rd party software.
This also puts many people off from wanting to play the game, including a friend of mine who quit the game mainly for this reason (and for not having a class change token).
And to the people who claim that this would cause lag, no it wouldnt. The game already processes all the listing in real time constantly, and giving you a full list in one place should not affect latency or performance. There is a reason why all other MMOs can do this without any issues.
Nastassiya wrote: »
Usually having constant never ending requests is a red flag indicator that something is very wrong with the current system and that the community wants improvements. So what is your point?
"its getting old" is not an argument.
Do you not want the game to be successful and have a healthy influx of new players?
I dont know about you but i would prefer to have the game stay alive and to be able to recommend it to my friends with a clear conscience.
Thanks for all the advice everyone, but most of you still suggested that i check popular hubs for each item's worth, which still wastes many hours of my time.
I think ZOS really needs to incorporate a system that lets players *see* all guild trader listings in one place. And people need to keep asking for it or else we will forever rely on 3rd party software.
This also puts many people off from wanting to play the game, including a friend of mine who quit the game mainly for this reason (and for not having a class change token).
And to the people who claim that this would cause lag, no it wouldnt. The game already processes all the listing in real time constantly, and giving you a full list in one place should not affect latency or performance. There is a reason why all other MMOs can do this without any issues.
If buying ask in zone for whatever you want at a ridiculously low price. About a dozen players will virtually point and laugh at your naivete and some will post various add-on prices - this will give a very good indication of what to buy at.
If selling in zone, say "WTS item" for an outrageously vast price. Another bunch of players will harangue and insult you as a greedy rip-off and some will post their add-on prices giving you a great idea of what to sell at.
Either takes about 10seconds in total. Easy.
LettuceBrain wrote: »Thanks for all the advice everyone, but most of you still suggested that i check popular hubs for each item's worth, which still wastes many hours of my time.
I think ZOS really needs to incorporate a system that lets players *see* all guild trader listings in one place. And people need to keep asking for it or else we will forever rely on 3rd party software.
This also puts many people off from wanting to play the game, including a friend of mine who quit the game mainly for this reason (and for not having a class change token).
And to the people who claim that this would cause lag, no it wouldnt. The game already processes all the listing in real time constantly, and giving you a full list in one place should not affect latency or performance. There is a reason why all other MMOs can do this without any issues.
Imagine complaining about something console players deal with all the time.
...but if they can’t spend a few minutes at a trader then chances are they aren’t going to stay anyways considering how long it takes to level up and acquire different skill lines.
Yes i have and the reason why that caused "lag" is because of the amount of players that were present there, not because of the amount of items listed in the auction house, but eso already works around that..
And if you think there's no lag in central markets, have you played GW2?
I never said the game will die because of this issue, i said it hurts the game and discourages new players from playing the game. Kind of dishonest to misrepresent my point like that.Goregrinder wrote: »That's kind of a loaded statement. It implies that the only way for the game to stay alive, is for them to implement an auction house. And that if they don't, the game will 100% die. But there's no evidence to support that stance, since the game has gone 7 years now without a central auction house. And it's still alive.
I think you misunderstood my posts. Yes it takes a couple of minutes for 1 item, but when you want to sell 30 or more items and add that up it ends up being taking hours.but I think the problem is when people make a bait thread or say things that simply are not true like it takes hours to find a price or item when in reality it only takes minutes or there’s not enough guild traders when chat is literally spammed with join my guild messages and many of them for free.
How are we supposed to use guild traders without 3rd party software?
I walk around multiple trading hubs and find the item at a cost I find reasonable to pay
Supertonicbaker wrote: »I’m a console player and I’ll let you in on a little secret as to how I find the best price. I approach a trader. I search for I want. Then I approach another trader. Search for what I want and compare. Then approach another trader. Then search for what I want and compare. Then... well, you get the point. I actually visit every trader in the zones until I get a good enough idea and go to the one I’m willing to pay for.
If buying ask in zone for whatever you want at a ridiculously low price. About a dozen players will virtually point and laugh at your naivete and some will post various add-on prices - this will give a very good indication of what to buy at.
If selling in zone, say "WTS item" for an outrageously vast price. Another bunch of players will harangue and insult you as a greedy rip-off and some will post their add-on prices giving you a great idea of what to sell at.
Either takes about 10seconds in total. Easy.
or say things that simply are not true like it takes hours to find a price or item when in reality it only takes minutes
I personally couldn’t care about immersion, I just see no reason to ruin the economy and destroy hundreds of trading guilds just because a few select people can’t spend a few minutes of their time. No to mention trading is also end game for a lot of players.
Those same people would be the first ones to complain when the 100k staff they wanted is now 500k and mat prices double because it would be so easy to control the economy.
I personally couldn’t care about immersion, I just see no reason to ruin the economy and destroy hundreds of trading guilds just because a few select people can’t spend a few minutes of their time. No to mention trading is also end game for a lot of players.
Those same people would be the first ones to complain when the 100k staff they wanted is now 500k and mat prices double because it would be so easy to control the economy.
Can you please read the thread before posting? Youre taking everything out of context. The suggestion was a central hub where you can view all guild trader listings, not an auction house. We already have this with 3rd party software like TTC, and it doesnt "ruin the economy" in any way.
And like it was already established it doesnt take "a few minutes" to properly trade in this game without addons, it takes hours.
I personally couldn’t care about immersion, I just see no reason to ruin the economy and destroy hundreds of trading guilds just because a few select people can’t spend a few minutes of their time. No to mention trading is also end game for a lot of players.
Those same people would be the first ones to complain when the 100k staff they wanted is now 500k and mat prices double because it would be so easy to control the economy.
Can you please read the thread before posting? Youre taking everything out of context. The suggestion was a central hub where you can view all guild trader listings, not an auction house. We already have this with 3rd party software like TTC, and it doesnt "ruin the economy" in any way.
And like it was already established it doesnt take "a few minutes" to properly trade in this game without addons, it takes hours.
Great advice to follow and you will see that people are talking about auction houses as well so nothing has been taken out of context.
As far as your idea goes, could zos even make that work? As it is the system struggles just to search one guild at a time and would probably lead to more performance issues.
As far as time spent goes, saying the same thing over and over again doesn’t make it true. It does not take hours, I’ve been playing since release on console with no ttc before they had an in game search function and even then it never took hours.
I personally couldn’t care about immersion, I just see no reason to ruin the economy and destroy hundreds of trading guilds just because a few select people can’t spend a few minutes of their time. No to mention trading is also end game for a lot of players.
Those same people would be the first ones to complain when the 100k staff they wanted is now 500k and mat prices double because it would be so easy to control the economy.
Can you please read the thread before posting? Youre taking everything out of context. The suggestion was a central hub where you can view all guild trader listings, not an auction house. We already have this with 3rd party software like TTC, and it doesnt "ruin the economy" in any way.
And like it was already established it doesnt take "a few minutes" to properly trade in this game without addons, it takes hours.
Great advice to follow and you will see that people are talking about auction houses as well so nothing has been taken out of context.
As far as your idea goes, could zos even make that work? As it is the system struggles just to search one guild at a time and would probably lead to more performance issues.
As far as time spent goes, saying the same thing over and over again doesn’t make it true. It does not take hours, I’ve been playing since release on console with no ttc before they had an in game search function and even then it never took hours.
The concern about "performance" (ill just assume youre talking about latency or frame rate) has already been adressed and its a non issue.
The issue why and how trading ends up wasting hours upon hours of players time has also been adressed several times in the thread. Thats why i suggested you read it before posting.
I personally couldn’t care about immersion, I just see no reason to ruin the economy and destroy hundreds of trading guilds just because a few select people can’t spend a few minutes of their time. No to mention trading is also end game for a lot of players.
Those same people would be the first ones to complain when the 100k staff they wanted is now 500k and mat prices double because it would be so easy to control the economy.
Can you please read the thread before posting? Youre taking everything out of context. The suggestion was a central hub where you can view all guild trader listings, not an auction house. We already have this with 3rd party software like TTC, and it doesnt "ruin the economy" in any way.
And like it was already established it doesnt take "a few minutes" to properly trade in this game without addons, it takes hours.
Great advice to follow and you will see that people are talking about auction houses as well so nothing has been taken out of context.
As far as your idea goes, could zos even make that work? As it is the system struggles just to search one guild at a time and would probably lead to more performance issues.
As far as time spent goes, saying the same thing over and over again doesn’t make it true. It does not take hours, I’ve been playing since release on console with no ttc before they had an in game search function and even then it never took hours.
The concern about "performance" (ill just assume youre talking about latency or frame rate) has already been adressed and its a non issue.
The issue why and how trading ends up wasting hours upon hours of players time has also been adressed several times in the thread. Thats why i suggested you read it before posting.
In regards to performance many times the search function takes a long time, locks up, or doesn’t display anything. I haven’t seen anything in this thread indicating you understand their code enough to fix that or let alone make it work on a larger scale which could potentially cause performance problems in other areas of the game.
As far as wasting hours, yes maybe over weeks or months, but when you make it sound like every time you trade takes hours is just wrong, maybe you should read the thread as well.
I personally couldn’t care about immersion, I just see no reason to ruin the economy and destroy hundreds of trading guilds just because a few select people can’t spend a few minutes of their time. No to mention trading is also end game for a lot of players.
Those same people would be the first ones to complain when the 100k staff they wanted is now 500k and mat prices double because it would be so easy to control the economy.
Can you please read the thread before posting? Youre taking everything out of context. The suggestion was a central hub where you can view all guild trader listings, not an auction house. We already have this with 3rd party software like TTC, and it doesnt "ruin the economy" in any way.
And like it was already established it doesnt take "a few minutes" to properly trade in this game without addons, it takes hours.
Great advice to follow and you will see that people are talking about auction houses as well so nothing has been taken out of context.
As far as your idea goes, could zos even make that work? As it is the system struggles just to search one guild at a time and would probably lead to more performance issues.
As far as time spent goes, saying the same thing over and over again doesn’t make it true. It does not take hours, I’ve been playing since release on console with no ttc before they had an in game search function and even then it never took hours.
The concern about "performance" (ill just assume youre talking about latency or frame rate) has already been adressed and its a non issue.
The issue why and how trading ends up wasting hours upon hours of players time has also been adressed several times in the thread. Thats why i suggested you read it before posting.
In regards to performance many times the search function takes a long time, locks up, or doesn’t display anything. I haven’t seen anything in this thread indicating you understand their code enough to fix that or let alone make it work on a larger scale which could potentially cause performance problems in other areas of the game.
As far as wasting hours, yes maybe over weeks or months, but when you make it sound like every time you trade takes hours is just wrong, maybe you should read the thread as well.
I literally made proper arguments for both of the issues that you are describing and youre simply not adressing them.
Im sorry but im not going to repeat myself when someone prefers skipping posts.