off topic, but i saw ur status on the forums i remember french kiss. wrathstone-patch was the best patch and such a shame you guys stopped : *(

Raegwyr wrote: »

Do stamina really have problems with aoe when they have access to master 2h? The biggest problem with stam cleave is that best st set is rele which dont give you anything except single target.
Also caltrops are back.
Agreed on not enough stam synergies tho

Compare that to: Magicka Detonation, Shock Staff Impulse both of which scale with the number of enemies hit WITHOUT the need for a Master Weapon. And consider the fact that the Master's Destruction Staff exists and can is a massive DPS-enabling tool. And of course Destruction Staff ultimate.

Relequen is definitely a problem because it provides more DPS than most DoTs in the game and it is the only reason for stamina doing more DPS than magicka in single target situations. So that set needs to be changed so that actual balance changes could happen around abilities themselves.

I really think that Class based AoEs being stamina would definitely help cleave damage a lot without making it go overboard though.

Caltrops is meant to be the equivalent of Orbs. You can use both Orbs and Class AoEs on Magicka, why not on Stamina? And you can never have enough cleave haha

Flaaklypa wrote: »

off topic, but i saw ur status on the forums i remember french kiss. wrathstone-patch was the best patch and such a shame you guys stopped : *(

Anw thanks! Yeah its a real shame... Some of us are still playing/coming back like me though, so maybe we might get something back together

Talking of sta aoe/cleave. Give non dk tank pull to one of the undaunted range taunt morphs.

So they can use fighters guild sta aoe too without respecc when not tanking.

ResidentContrarian wrote: »

Better idea: move entire game towards hybrid direction so stacking one stat isn't everything and players can slot whatever class skills/weapon skills they have available. That would solve almost every problem in PvE and PvP.

Doing it half-way will only only result in poor balance every time because the game itself is fundamentally unbalanced.

Agreed. Magicka and Stamina pools were originally intended to be the balancing mechanic that was used instead of cooldowns (compared to other MMOs), where each pool determined the frequency at which one could cast/perform different actions in combat. Magicka governed spells (mainly class abilities), and Stamina governed combat feats (weapon abilities and "movement" such as sprinting and dodge-rolling).

Since then, Magicka vs. Stamina has become more about which almost-parallel scaling mechanic players choose to opt into with their build. The resource one chooses dictates almost everything else about their build—armor, weapon, sets, CP, etc. And, as more previously exclusively Magicka-cost abilities have become Stamina-cost, the differences that used to exist in what each pool enabled have become less, with those few differences becoming more pronounced. Consider that Mag and Stam specs both have general access to decent self-healing and shields/wards, meaning that the differences in armor weight and access to mobility greatly affect the survivability of one over the other.

A more hybrid approach—in my mind—would mean a migration from the current system of almost-parallel scaling mechanics for Mag and Stam, and towards one where once more, Magicka and Stamina govern the frequency at which one can perform certain actions in combat.

After all, why should investing in Magicka mean that holding a sword and wearing medium armor is significantly less effective than light armor and a stave? Or investing in Stamina mean inefficiency with a staff? In the Elder Scrolls universe, where an entire game was made around the Battlemage Academy (Battlespire), that seems almost insulting. The individual choices of resource, armor weight, weapon type, etc. should come down to the individual trade-offs each of those choices provides to the build, not about whether they are for the "blue" play-style or the "green" one. There would still have to be care in balancing, but the build diversity options would drastically open up.