Kiralyn2000 wrote: »

ksbrugh wrote: »

6 months, if once per day you train your horse.
I understand zos wanting to sell riding lessons in their crown store.

You know that long before there were "cash shops" and the ability to skip gameplay via $, MMOs were full of endless timesinks?

Why does everyone say that the only point of mount training is to sell riding lessons? It's obviously Just Another MMO Timesink. Something to do every day that'll take a long time to finish. (Just like the new CP cap - this whole "omg, how am i supposed to grind these out in a couple weeks?!?!" You're not.)


Yes, I have leveled mounts on all my characters. No, I've never bought a riding lesson (or XP scrolls, or skill lines, or any of the other "I want to pay to not play the game" stuff). Personally, I'm always amazed when people say they bought the riding lessons, since they seem like one of the biggest wastes of $ in the entire store. Why would anyone ever spend crowns on them?

I never said I paid money for riding lessons. So I'm not sure what you meant by your statement.
I just said I understand why they sell them.
Nothing wrong with certain timesync'$ in a mmo. I'm just saying with every timesync ESO has in its MMO there are ways to negate it with in-game gold. I guess you could say being able to purchase scrolls that decrease the time investment you spend on any skill or ability is a reward to the player that has spent the time and the effort to actually play the game to acquire the sufficient gold amount purchase these scrolls.
Maybe zos should implement a more friendlier new player aspect to the horse riding as well as to the crafting and skill gain from scrolls it has already adopted.
I'm not suggesting instant gratitude here just an ease up on the 6 month TIME Grand it takes now. Yes in the past there were no riding lessons in the crown store so zos offered crown purchase of writing lessons. Now that time has expired and moved forward a slightly newer generation has climbed aboard the ESO train. And yes sorry to say it is a generation, a newer generation of instant gratitude. To think you can reflect back on older versions of eso and say well this is the way it's been or this is the way it has always been, will work on newer generations or even veteran players with new games coming out drawing the attention of the player base away. Then I would have to say that you're slightly delusional or at least too optimistic in the ability of human nature to see the change may not always be for the worst it can sometimes be for the better. And imo this could be a significant change to newer players even veteran players in creating new characters, example buying new character slots which I refuse to do just because of Mount training. And I'm sure I'm not the only one, yes there are people that will buy the new character slot no matter what but they will also buy character slot whether this change happens or not but I won't and a lot of other people will not either. Believe it or not that is big money on the line. Crowns cost dinero's.

Starlock wrote: »

Q: Does the incorporation of a timer improve the gameplay experience for the customer?

A1-Yes: The timer is designed to improve gameplay for the customer. Such timers are typically part of more complex gameplay systems or are a core component of the game. Timers are variously accelerated or slowed based on genre appropriate gameplay mechanisms, not to simply inconvenience the player. For example, in some strategy games, player investments in technology allow for faster timer for new discoveries.

A2-No: The timer is designed not to improve the game for the customer, but for profit motive. More specifically, timers manipulate customers into daily logins, which is an essential part of the hook->habit->hobby/addiction that helps ensure continuous cash shop exposure in a games-as-service title. At times, paid solutions are offered to speed up timers to generate additional revenue (also known as "solution selling" - create problem to charge for solution).

man this kills my soul. Corporations can get away with intentionally creating problems for gamers and then sell them a solution for extra money. It's so freaking slimy. It's crazy how greedy people are. Instead of trying to get more money by having a better product, they make the product just good enough to get people hooked, and then find strange psychological strategies to extract as much money as possible from those addicted people.

ksbrugh wrote: »

I'm just telling you I'm an ESO day one player not an ESO forum day one commenter. I started to comment recently because I've seen things and I hear things from playing all the time that I have played. Mount speed Mount stamina is a bigger concern in the community than you can possibly imagine. I have eight toons with fully maxed Mount stats the old-fashioned way, what I'm suggesting is not benefiting me but it's what I hear from my guild community and from other ESO players in chat. We need a system to be able to turn in writ points and gain a scroll to increase Mount speed and stamina learning by a 50%. A cut in the time at least would be something.

I expect most of us are part of the same community. It is not surprising that a community will have many players with differing opinions. What is important is that we respect each other's opinions which do not mean we must accept them as our own.

The problem isn't even the 6 months of horse training. Is having to train it again, again and again once more for every new wild patch with a super effective nerf to a class.

What? Does the horse forget how to be a stallion and insta-become a moke/nag/inferior horse?

AuraStorm43 wrote: »

Its made that way on purpose to encourage you to buy upgrades from the crown store

It was that way before the Crown store existed....

magnusthorek wrote: »

The problem isn't even the 6 months of horse training. Is having to train it again, again and again once more for every new wild patch that with a supper effective nerf to a class.

What? Does the horse forget how to be a stallion and insta-become a moke/nag/inferior horse?

You mean like how I forget how to fish or pickpocket or farm nodes if I move points or tokens around in the green skill tree?

I have leveled many toons with this system, and I have had zero problems leveling them all to 50 while using it.
Some I logged on to level my horse stuff (in fact, I'm leveling up 2 more toons for mules) and then logged on to play my main.

Horse Feeding?

I ride around on a Dwarven Robot.

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

Horse Feeding?

I ride around on a Dwarven Robot.

You still have to feed it!

No idea how that works, but that is what the trainer says!

PigofSteel wrote: »

Lumsdenml wrote: »

Like life, not all things have to be quick. It is fine the way it is.

Unless you are Elf than you have to live quick...

U know what they say life is short...

Uh...what are you talking about? In ES lore, elves have very long life spans, Altmer and Dunmer can live to be hundreds of years old 😐

When eso was new, you had to upgrade each of your mounts individually actually.
At the time the time spent to upgrade the mounts wasn't a problem.
Now you can actually obtain ride lessons from daily log in or via crown store. I do not see it as being a big issue here. In fact there is barely any need to maximize your mount other than inventory space. Speed and stamina doesn't matter that much unless you are a pvp fan.