The Gold Road Chapter – which includes the Scribing system – and Update 42 is now available to test on the PTS! You can read the latest patch notes here: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/656454/
Maintenance for the week of April 29:
• PC/Mac: No maintenance – April 29
• PC/Mac: No maintenance – April 29
Any reason why Streak must be unblockable?
-
fbours✭✭✭all spells have 3 beneficial effects to them. Some have 4 because 1 is a negative.
streak has too many benefits to it. Gap closer, gap maker (this and nightblade shade are the only ones in the game), unavoidable, cc, deals damage. There's 5 benefits instead of 3. You could say 4 because 1 is negative being increased cost,
butFriedEggSandwich wrote: »-Exponential cost, so can't be spammed.
streak is literally spammed in cyrodiil and bgs and everywhere, even in no-cp. Idk what cost is that but it's ignored entirely, especially when you stop for 1-2 seconds to cast a deal and regain all ur mag back.
and, even so, spell is overtuned. It needs to lose something to be in line with others. For example nb shade also has no counter, and is a gap closer and a gap maker, but does not cc you.
Dark Conversion provides 2400 magicka over 20 seconds. No sorc is just regaining the magicka costs for Streak in 1-2 seconds.
Streak costs around 3600 magicka at base. And increases by 33% each cast. Just 3 casts of streak has a cost in the area of 15K. Sorcs are not regaining that with one Dark Conversion. And it takes more than 3 casts of streak to get far enough away from a fight to flee. Especially when they have most likely already expended magicka during the fight they are fleeing from.
[snip] Go into a main campaign in cyro and roam overland around keeps. Sorcs are streaking forever, then have the resources to also come back and nuke you. All this while not dropping health below their hp under shields.
[snip]
Streak costs 3600 magicka and has an increase of 33% per cast? Fact.
3 Streaks in a row cost around 15K magicka? Fact.
Dark Conversion only provides 2400 magicka over a 20 second interval? Fact.
Sorcs are not streaking forever in Cyrodil and shields are not as good as you are making them to be.
[Edited to remove Baiting]
hiding behind numbers as they look on paper and adding "fact" after it does not mean you are right. You have a lot of cost reductions on a magsorc, that cost will not be 3600, if you want to talk numbers. And Dark Conversion will give you over 7k mag in two casts.
how did you reach 15k mag cost in 3 casts ? first 3600 second 3600*0.33=4788 third 4788*0.33=6368. This is under 15k and it will be even lower because cost reductions from class, race, and light armor. Also it's not raw 15k because you will get 7k between each streak. Streaking 4 times in a row, casting dark deal 2-3 times in total during them, will leave you full magicka, far away from any danger, and ready to strike back, while the enemy already spent half his mag/stam to use gap closers on you.
and for argument about shields read comment #36
Stay on topic. This is stamsorc related not magsorc. Biggest mistake you can make is trying to follow/keep up with a sorc when they are running away. You won't, especially good ones. Try and you will end up exactly they way you said, same applies to nightblades, you just don't follow either of them, it is like ZOS made them to be hit and run play styles. Interesting..
Forgot to add. If a sorc is running away it means you won right? Do you agree?Edited by fbours on April 26, 2021 9:11PM0 -
Rahar✭✭✭✭all spells have 3 beneficial effects to them. Some have 4 because 1 is a negative.
streak has too many benefits to it. Gap closer, gap maker (this and nightblade shade are the only ones in the game), unavoidable, cc, deals damage. There's 5 benefits instead of 3. You could say 4 because 1 is negative being increased cost,
butFriedEggSandwich wrote: »-Exponential cost, so can't be spammed.
streak is literally spammed in cyrodiil and bgs and everywhere, even in no-cp. Idk what cost is that but it's ignored entirely, especially when you stop for 1-2 seconds to cast a deal and regain all ur mag back.
and, even so, spell is overtuned. It needs to lose something to be in line with others. For example nb shade also has no counter, and is a gap closer and a gap maker, but does not cc you.
Dark Conversion provides 2400 magicka over 20 seconds. No sorc is just regaining the magicka costs for Streak in 1-2 seconds.
Streak costs around 3600 magicka at base. And increases by 33% each cast. Just 3 casts of streak has a cost in the area of 15K. Sorcs are not regaining that with one Dark Conversion. And it takes more than 3 casts of streak to get far enough away from a fight to flee. Especially when they have most likely already expended magicka during the fight they are fleeing from.
[snip] Go into a main campaign in cyro and roam overland around keeps. Sorcs are streaking forever, then have the resources to also come back and nuke you. All this while not dropping health below their hp under shields.
[snip]
Streak costs 3600 magicka and has an increase of 33% per cast? Fact.
3 Streaks in a row cost around 15K magicka? Fact.
Dark Conversion only provides 2400 magicka over a 20 second interval? Fact.
Sorcs are not streaking forever in Cyrodil and shields are not as good as you are making them to be.
[Edited to remove Baiting]
hiding behind numbers as they look on paper and adding "fact" after it does not mean you are right. You have a lot of cost reductions on a magsorc, that cost will not be 3600, if you want to talk numbers. And Dark Conversion will give you over 7k mag in two casts.
how did you reach 15k mag cost in 3 casts ? first 3600 second 3600*0.33=4788 third 4788*0.33=6368. This is under 15k and it will be even lower because cost reductions from class, race, and light armor. Also it's not raw 15k because you will get 7k between each streak. Streaking 4 times in a row, casting dark deal 2-3 times in total during them, will leave you full magicka, far away from any danger, and ready to strike back, while the enemy already spent half his mag/stam to use gap closers on you.
and for argument about shields read comment #36
15k was obviously not meant to be taken literally, but it got pretty heckin' close. Anyway, please try and alternate streak/dark deal in the actual game on an actual magsorc while running from even 2 players and tell me how that goes. You're going to get caught, interrupted, outdamaged and killed, because anyone with major exp (read: all stam classes) will be able to keep up with you if you stop to use dark deal too often. They don't even need a gap closer. The same logic often applies if you try and streak 3 times in a row then proceed to dark deal 3 times in a row. No one's just going to let you go without at least trying to sprint.all spells have 3 beneficial effects to them. Some have 4 because 1 is a negative.
streak has too many benefits to it. Gap closer, gap maker (this and nightblade shade are the only ones in the game), unavoidable, cc, deals damage. There's 5 benefits instead of 3. You could say 4 because 1 is negative being increased cost,
butFriedEggSandwich wrote: »-Exponential cost, so can't be spammed.
streak is literally spammed in cyrodiil and bgs and everywhere, even in no-cp. Idk what cost is that but it's ignored entirely, especially when you stop for 1-2 seconds to cast a deal and regain all ur mag back.
and, even so, spell is overtuned. It needs to lose something to be in line with others. For example nb shade also has no counter, and is a gap closer and a gap maker, but does not cc you.
Dark Conversion provides 2400 magicka over 20 seconds. No sorc is just regaining the magicka costs for Streak in 1-2 seconds.
Streak costs around 3600 magicka at base. And increases by 33% each cast. Just 3 casts of streak has a cost in the area of 15K. Sorcs are not regaining that with one Dark Conversion. And it takes more than 3 casts of streak to get far enough away from a fight to flee. Especially when they have most likely already expended magicka during the fight they are fleeing from.
[snip] Go into a main campaign in cyro and roam overland around keeps. Sorcs are streaking forever, then have the resources to also come back and nuke you. All this while not dropping health below their hp under shields.
[snip]
Streak costs 3600 magicka and has an increase of 33% per cast? Fact.
3 Streaks in a row cost around 15K magicka? Fact.
Dark Conversion only provides 2400 magicka over a 20 second interval? Fact.
Sorcs are not streaking forever in Cyrodil and shields are not as good as you are making them to be.
[Edited to remove Baiting]
hiding behind numbers as they look on paper and adding "fact" after it does not mean you are right. You have a lot of cost reductions on a magsorc, that cost will not be 3600, if you want to talk numbers. And Dark Conversion will give you over 7k mag in two casts.
how did you reach 15k mag cost in 3 casts ? first 3600 second 3600*0.33=4788 third 4788*0.33=6368. This is under 15k and it will be even lower because cost reductions from class, race, and light armor. Also it's not raw 15k because you will get 7k between each streak. Streaking 4 times in a row, casting dark deal 2-3 times in total during them, will leave you full magicka, far away from any danger, and ready to strike back, while the enemy already spent half his mag/stam to use gap closers on you.
and for argument about shields read comment #36
Stay on topic. This is stamsorc related not magsorc. Biggest mistake you can make is trying to follow/keep up with a sorc when they are running away. You won't, especially good ones. Try and you will end up exactly they way you said, same applies to nightblades, you just don't follow either of them, it is like ZOS made them to be hit and run play styles. Interesting..
OP specifically mentions magsorc in his first post, so it's perfectly fine.
NeRf MaGsOrC2 -
![[Deleted User]](https://us.v-cdn.net/5020507/uploads/06301530861bfae62d56b72eef4ac33d.png)
[Deleted User]Soul ShrivenHello everyone,
With this thread continuing to derail with flame, we're going to go ahead and close it down. For further posts be sure to stay constructive and respectful with the Forum Rules in mind to avoid thread derailment or action on your forums account.
Thank you for understanding.0
This discussion has been closed.