Streak costs around 3600 magicka at base. And increases by 33% each cast. Just 3 casts of streak has a cost in the area of 15K. Sorcs are not regaining that with one Dark Conversion. And it takes more than 3 casts of streak to get far enough away from a fight to flee. Especially when they have most likely already expended magicka during the fight they are fleeing from.
You need just 2 most of the time, it is covered with 2 conversions + natural renens, 1 sec interval, 2 more streaks. And don't say that 45k+ magica sorcs ever run out of mana for tripple streak. Sounds like very cool story.
Even then, if you use streak for escaping, why unblockable property of streak bothers you?
And no, Rune Cage is not a valid alternative. Because it is the most highly telegraphed stun in the game that can be dodged. It's essentially useless.
all spells have 3 beneficial effects to them. Some have 4 because 1 is a negative.
streak has too many benefits to it. Gap closer, gap maker (this and nightblade shade are the only ones in the game), unavoidable, cc, deals damage. There's 5 benefits instead of 3. You could say 4 because 1 is negative being increased cost,
butFriedEggSandwich wrote: »-Exponential cost, so can't be spammed.
streak is literally spammed in cyrodiil and bgs and everywhere, even in no-cp. Idk what cost is that but it's ignored entirely, especially when you stop for 1-2 seconds to cast a deal and regain all ur mag back.
and, even so, spell is overtuned. It needs to lose something to be in line with others. For example nb shade also has no counter, and is a gap closer and a gap maker, but does not cc you.
Dark Conversion provides 2400 magicka over 20 seconds. No sorc is just regaining the magicka costs for Streak in 1-2 seconds.
Streak costs around 3600 magicka at base. And increases by 33% each cast. Just 3 casts of streak has a cost in the area of 15K. Sorcs are not regaining that with one Dark Conversion. And it takes more than 3 casts of streak to get far enough away from a fight to flee. Especially when they have most likely already expended magicka during the fight they are fleeing from.
[snip] Go into a main campaign in cyro and roam overland around keeps. Sorcs are streaking forever, then have the resources to also come back and nuke you. All this while not dropping health below their hp under shields.
Dark Conversion only provides 2400 magicka over a 20 second interval?
Sorcs are not streaking forever in Cyrodil and shields are not as good as you are making them to be.
Dark Conversion only provides 2400 magicka over a 20 second interval?
Bargain with darkness to restore 8090 Health and 3600 Magicka instantlySorcs are not streaking forever in Cyrodil and shields are not as good as you are making them to be.
I have healsorc that sits behind 20k shields in 2 casts. That's not even Empowered Ward morph. That's not even max magica build (tho close to one). 12k shield in 1 cast is possible. Compared with HP% heals, that's 24k HP worth of base heal, or 70k HP with ~30% heals. And they nerf HP% heals, mind you.
Streak costs around 3600 magicka at base. And increases by 33% each cast. Just 3 casts of streak has a cost in the area of 15K. Sorcs are not regaining that with one Dark Conversion. And it takes more than 3 casts of streak to get far enough away from a fight to flee. Especially when they have most likely already expended magicka during the fight they are fleeing from.
You need just 2 most of the time, it is covered with 2 conversions + natural renens, 1 sec interval, 2 more streaks. And don't say that 45k+ magica sorcs ever run out of mana for tripple streak. Sounds like very cool story.
Even then, if you use streak for escaping, why unblockable property of streak bothers you?
A better indication of what's powerful right now is what tons of people are running or are switching to
Stam anything is almost universally better in a high MMR BG
Joy_Division wrote: »for an unblockable, undodgeable stun at 40 meters away that can smoothly followed up by a class that excels at long range burst?
Stam anything is almost universally better in a high MMR BG
... with exception to magsorc. Seriously. Don't downplay magsorcs in current meta. It's not only about execute, they are doing great overall. Shields, movement, sustain, stat-dependant damage, stat-dependant burst. Only thing they don't do is AoE.
They're the big bro of mag and what all mag classes should be.
Joy_Division wrote: »for an unblockable, undodgeable stun at 40 meters away that can smoothly followed up by a class that excels at long range burst?
Reduce range to 22m, so sorc have to go in dash range.
You see, I know the sorc weak point. It's bar space. And I know that no magsorc would ever go without teleport, whatever you do to it. So that would mean +1 skill on the bars. That means something goes out. Something valuable, because everything is valuable.
If rune cage got reverted I'd just change streak to BoL and throw it on the backbar, put rune cage on the front bar replacing the all-too-often unreliable fury, and stomp all over pretty much anyone who even looked at me.
This post derailed to nerf magsorc way to fast. This was about stamsorc ability to one shot opponents using streak with 0 counterplay. Hilarious. What is it?
This post derailed to nerf magsorc way to fast. This was about stamsorc ability to one shot opponents using streak with 0 counterplay. Hilarious. What is it?
Whoever joins to defend unblockable streak *shrugs*
I mean removing it will nerf magsorcs too. Not even enough for them to stop being best mag class, mind you, but ppl don't want even that.
What class/spec is your main. Even with 8 classes you have one main.
This post started as stamsorc streak/vat 2h/crystal wep and their one shot potential - many different factors, not one related to streak.
I would like to understand better your background so I can help you learn how to counter a stamsorc, not a magsorc.
What class/spec is your main. Even with 8 classes you have one main.
Wrong assumption.This post started as stamsorc streak/vat 2h/crystal wep and their one shot potential - many different factors, not one related to streak.
"not one related to streak" - what a good example of unbiased
Many classes have burst combos. Only one delivers combos with undodgeable and unblockable stun from range with full combo as follow-up. Maybe the follow-up is too strong. But I would be perfectly fine with it if combo itself would be interactable. It is not, because Streak.I would like to understand better your background so I can help you learn how to counter a stamsorc, not a magsorc.
Did I ask for advice?
How are sorcs performing a full follow up combo after a streak. They are facing the wrong direction after the streak ends. And spend an entire global cooldown at best turning back around to target the opponent.
And honestly, calling streak a ranged stun is only half of it. It is a ranged stun that puts the target in melee range. No other stun takes you from a safe distance from your target to an unsafe distance.
How are sorcs performing a full follow up combo after a streak. They are facing the wrong direction after the streak ends. And spend an entire global cooldown at best turning back around to target the opponent.
Are you playing with mouse? Because if you are, that is simple task really, don't see your problem.And honestly, calling streak a ranged stun is only half of it. It is a ranged stun that puts the target in melee range. No other stun takes you from a safe distance from your target to an unsafe distance.
Ranged stun that puts you into melee. How is that bad for melee classes? How is it bad for combo finishers?
Lots of other stuns requires you to be melee in the first place. Meaning you not only end up in unsafe distance, you need to walk all the way in to this unsafe distance.
What class/spec is your main. Even with 8 classes you have one main.
Wrong assumption.This post started as stamsorc streak/vat 2h/crystal wep and their one shot potential - many different factors, not one related to streak.
"not one related to streak" - what a good example of unbiased
Many classes have burst combos. Only one delivers combos with undodgeable and unblockable stun from range with full combo as follow-up. Maybe the follow-up is too strong. But I would be perfectly fine with it if combo itself would be interactable. It is not, because Streak.I would like to understand better your background so I can help you learn how to counter a stamsorc, not a magsorc.
Did I ask for advice?
all spells have 3 beneficial effects to them. Some have 4 because 1 is a negative.
streak has too many benefits to it. Gap closer, gap maker (this and nightblade shade are the only ones in the game), unavoidable, cc, deals damage. There's 5 benefits instead of 3. You could say 4 because 1 is negative being increased cost,
butFriedEggSandwich wrote: »-Exponential cost, so can't be spammed.
streak is literally spammed in cyrodiil and bgs and everywhere, even in no-cp. Idk what cost is that but it's ignored entirely, especially when you stop for 1-2 seconds to cast a deal and regain all ur mag back.
and, even so, spell is overtuned. It needs to lose something to be in line with others. For example nb shade also has no counter, and is a gap closer and a gap maker, but does not cc you.
Dark Conversion provides 2400 magicka over 20 seconds. No sorc is just regaining the magicka costs for Streak in 1-2 seconds.
Streak costs around 3600 magicka at base. And increases by 33% each cast. Just 3 casts of streak has a cost in the area of 15K. Sorcs are not regaining that with one Dark Conversion. And it takes more than 3 casts of streak to get far enough away from a fight to flee. Especially when they have most likely already expended magicka during the fight they are fleeing from.
[snip] Go into a main campaign in cyro and roam overland around keeps. Sorcs are streaking forever, then have the resources to also come back and nuke you. All this while not dropping health below their hp under shields.
[snip]
Streak costs 3600 magicka and has an increase of 33% per cast? Fact.
3 Streaks in a row cost around 15K magicka? Fact.
Dark Conversion only provides 2400 magicka over a 20 second interval? Fact.
Sorcs are not streaking forever in Cyrodil and shields are not as good as you are making them to be.
[Edited to remove Baiting]
all spells have 3 beneficial effects to them. Some have 4 because 1 is a negative.
streak has too many benefits to it. Gap closer, gap maker (this and nightblade shade are the only ones in the game), unavoidable, cc, deals damage. There's 5 benefits instead of 3. You could say 4 because 1 is negative being increased cost,
butFriedEggSandwich wrote: »-Exponential cost, so can't be spammed.
streak is literally spammed in cyrodiil and bgs and everywhere, even in no-cp. Idk what cost is that but it's ignored entirely, especially when you stop for 1-2 seconds to cast a deal and regain all ur mag back.
and, even so, spell is overtuned. It needs to lose something to be in line with others. For example nb shade also has no counter, and is a gap closer and a gap maker, but does not cc you.
Dark Conversion provides 2400 magicka over 20 seconds. No sorc is just regaining the magicka costs for Streak in 1-2 seconds.
Streak costs around 3600 magicka at base. And increases by 33% each cast. Just 3 casts of streak has a cost in the area of 15K. Sorcs are not regaining that with one Dark Conversion. And it takes more than 3 casts of streak to get far enough away from a fight to flee. Especially when they have most likely already expended magicka during the fight they are fleeing from.
[snip] Go into a main campaign in cyro and roam overland around keeps. Sorcs are streaking forever, then have the resources to also come back and nuke you. All this while not dropping health below their hp under shields.
[snip]
Streak costs 3600 magicka and has an increase of 33% per cast? Fact.
3 Streaks in a row cost around 15K magicka? Fact.
Dark Conversion only provides 2400 magicka over a 20 second interval? Fact.
Sorcs are not streaking forever in Cyrodil and shields are not as good as you are making them to be.
[Edited to remove Baiting]
hiding behind numbers as they look on paper and adding "fact" after it does not mean you are right. You have a lot of cost reductions on a magsorc, that cost will not be 3600, if you want to talk numbers. And Dark Conversion will give you over 7k mag in two casts.
how did you reach 15k mag cost in 3 casts ? first 3600 second 3600*0.33=4788 third 4788*0.33=6368. This is under 15k and it will be even lower because cost reductions from class, race, and light armor. Also it's not raw 15k because you will get 7k between each streak. Streaking 4 times in a row, casting dark deal 2-3 times in total during them, will leave you full magicka, far away from any danger, and ready to strike back, while the enemy already spent half his mag/stam to use gap closers on you.
and for argument about shields read comment #36