Most real PvE Healers don't have 38k Max magicka

Starlight_Whisper · April 2021

I took a survey of my own and only one who can get close is nightblade. You can swap food around and only one is still nightblade. They have different healer sets and monster sets but still Proper healing sets except dk who has infernal guardian most helm.

Bosmer Sorc 32.8k
Argonian warden 34k
Altmer Templar 31k
Breton Dk 33.3k
Dummer Nightblade 37k
Khajitt Necromancer 33k

ResidentContrarian · April 2021

"Proper healing sets"

Then what does it matter whether they reach 38K or not? What exactly is the argument or logic here?

I have never even seen a healer use a healing proc in any PvE content because healing itself is redundant.

If anyone were, they were both tanking and healing OR DPS with healing procs - testament to the strength of proc sets on live.

YandereGirlfriend · April 2021

If you're relying on sets to do the bulk of your healing you're not playing as an actual healer.

Further, as the above mentions, what does it matter if you only have 90% of a set's output? That extra 10% is going to be something absurdly small like 200 Heals Per Second. There is no content in the game where that is going to make any difference.

Truly, most casual players would never even notice the difference if these changes went through unannounced.

CaffeinatedMayhem · April 2021

Can['t reach 38k max mag? Khajiit Necro healer - 35k max mag in SPC/Hollow/Symphony, 32k in RO/JO. But I'm using Witchmothers for regen.

And as stated above, 90% of a set proc is plenty in PvE. The bulk of your healing should come from Combat Prayer/Springs/Orb.

vgabor · April 2021

The only case when you have this magicka on healer when you stack maxmag for roaring. On the other side though, since there's none proc set you want to use (apart from the occasional bogdan in rare cases) so it does not matter much anyway...

Starlight_Whisper · April 2021

ResidentContrarian wrote: »

"Proper healing sets"

Then what does it matter whether they reach 38K or not? What exactly is the argument or logic here?

I have never even seen a healer use a healing proc in any PvE content because healing itself is redundant.

If anyone were, they were both tanking and healing OR DPS with healing procs - testament to the strength of proc sets on live.

Gone tell me a semi decent set for healers not dps with 38.3k max magicka. I had spc, jorvulds, temmics nothing like zens

Starlight_Whisper · April 2021

CaffeinatedMayhem wrote: »

Can['t reach 38k max mag? Khajiit Necro healer - 35k max mag in SPC/Hollow/Symphony, 32k in RO/JO. But I'm using Witchmothers for regen.

And as stated above, 90% of a set proc is plenty in PvE. The bulk of your healing should come from Combat Prayer/Springs/Orb.

The problem is they claim that healers still can reach 38k and this should be buff in Pve and it's not. You can min andax and still not get there

Starlight_Whisper · April 2021

YandereGirlfriend wrote: »

If you're relying on sets to do the bulk of your healing you're not playing as an actual healer.

Further, as the above mentions, what does it matter if you only have 90% of a set's output? That extra 10% is going to be something absurdly small like 200 Heals Per Second. There is no content in the game where that is going to make any difference.

Truly, most casual players would never even notice the difference if these changes went through unannounced.

They claimed it was a buff for Pve. It's a straight up nerf and unrealistic standard. Only dps stack that high.

Starlight_Whisper · April 2021

vgabor wrote: »

The only case when you have this magicka on healer when you stack maxmag for roaring. On the other side though, since there's none proc set you want to use (apart from the occasional bogdan in rare cases) so it does not matter much anyway...

That's exactly attitude that got healers becoming useless. It does matter because claim from dev himself was it was a buff for Pve and it's not. Different sets that one could reasonable assume as healer sets don't stack you that high anymore unless you are a dps

ExoY · April 2021

If you do Endgame pve as a healer. You don't use any proc sets as you need your sets to provide group support.

And every content in this game can easily be healed through without any proc sets.

So if you are running heal proc sets in raids/ dungeons, you won't really feel the difference.

Btw It took me about 5min to get a setup with hitis and winter and about 40k magica without any problems. Of course you have to change a few things for it. You cannot expect to run the exactly same build as you are right and reach the cap without doing anything for it.

So you statement that healer can not reach 38k magica is simply wrong.

And it also sounds like your issue is that the devs claimed it will be a buff for pve but you feel like it isn't.
If you look at Pvp you can tell that they have not considered the entire impact of there scaling and balance is completely out of the window anyway. So don't get hung up on it to much atm. If things go live as they are right now, there will be much bigger consequences then lossing a couple hundred hps in pve. (and you probably won't even feel the difference).

lolo_01b16_ESO · April 2021

Interessting survey. In your other thread, where you asked about how much max magicka we have on our healers, the responses were around 40-45k.

Genuine question: Are you interessted in getting help how to have more magicka on your healer? [snip]
Also how do you get only 31k magicka on an Altmer? Did you accidently put your attribute points into stamina or forgot to enchant your armour?

[Edited to remove Rude Comments]

etchedpixels · April 2021

Not sure why you want max magicka so much on a healer in the first place. regen is far more important, doubly so after they overnerfed all the regen the last update.

TempestM · April 2021

And what do you need 38k magicka on pve healer exactly? Still can't figure out from this thread
Also, define "real healer" please

Eruceninde · April 2021

Starlight_Whisper wrote: »

I took a survey of my own and only one who can get close is nightblade. You can swap food around and only one is still nightblade. They have different healer sets and monster sets but still Proper healing sets except dk who has infernal guardian most helm.

Bosmer Sorc 32.8k
Argonian warden 34k
Altmer Templar 31k
Breton Dk 33.3k
Dummer Nightblade 37k
Khajitt Necromancer 33k

Is this... buffed?

FrancisCrawford · April 2021

CaffeinatedMayhem wrote: »

Can['t reach 38k max mag? Khajiit Necro healer - 35k max mag in SPC/Hollow/Symphony, 32k in RO/JO. But I'm using Witchmothers for regen.

And as stated above, 90% of a set proc is plenty in PvE. The bulk of your healing should come from Combat Prayer/Springs/Orb.

Well, actually, when I PUG for dungeons I don't slot Springs and I usually take the damaging morph of Orb.

But in fairness, I don't PUG (or otherwise heal) anything harder than vWGT.

Brrrofski · April 2021

Most "real" healers don't run healing proc sets so it's not really an issue to hit that number

Ishtarknows · April 2021

Did they nerf max mag cp in the pts? Only my khajiit necro healer has less than 38k mag. My Breton and Altmer wardens and templars all have more than 38k on live. Altmers are 40k+.

I wear proper healing support sets - spc, olorime, hollowfang, RO, jorvuld's and I heal using all my lovely healing skills.

dcam86b14_ESO · April 2021

only time I wants max mag on my healer is in pvp but for pve content I stick with regen. depends on your playstyle and group setup.

M0R_Gaming · April 2021

Starlight_Whisper wrote: »

Gone tell me a semi decent set for healers not dps with 38.3k max magicka. I had spc, jorvulds, temmics nothing like zens

The thing is, most sets that healers use in PvE are not healing sets. They are sets that provide a buff of some sort. Pure healing sets are usually limited to PvP because there is no such thing as overhealing in PvP.

Spell power cure does not scale.
Jorvulds does not scale.
IDK what temmics is, but I assume it doesn't scale.
In addition, Olorime, Worm, Mending, Hollowfang, Zen's, Sanctuary, Martial Knowledge, Hircine's, Ebon, and Shalk don't scale with maximum resources.

Symphony does scale, but it's the exact same scaling as on live right now.
Sentinel and Troll King don't scale.
The only monster sets that I've seen used in PvE healing that do scale are Earthgore and Chokethorn, and even then I usually see tanks running those, not healers.

DSA and BRP resto don't scale either.

All in all, your healing should NOT be affected. Before you complain about proc scaling killing your healing, first check to see if your procs are actually scaled. Most healing sets that do scale are pvp sets (like earthgore and chokethorn), since in pvp people don't really care about getting a buff, they care about staying alive.

Source - PTS and UESP Item logs

A list of sets that do scale with your maximum magicka/stamina:

Draugr's Heritage
Shalidor's Curse
Vampire's Kiss
Almalexia's Mercy
Oblivion's Edge
Nightflame
Redistributor
Briarheart
Chokethorn
Draugr's Rest
Earthgore
Nocturnal's Favor
Hiti's Hearth
Winter's Respite
Dragon's Appetite

This list was created by reading the search results on UESP's item logs at this link

stefj68 · April 2021

my argonian warden healer have 17k mag :P but 33k stam!
my magsorc healer have like 32k
im happy that i am not relying on healing proc set

AyaDark · April 2021

YandereGirlfriend wrote: »

If you're relying on sets to do the bulk of your healing you're not playing as an actual healer.

Further, as the above mentions, what does it matter if you only have 90% of a set's output? That extra 10% is going to be something absurdly small like 200 Heals Per Second. There is no content in the game where that is going to make any difference.

Truly, most casual players would never even notice the difference if these changes went through unannounced.

As an examle to heal on Templar - is possible with closed eyes - 2 healing AOE with radius 10+ meters.

While other healers need to cone party members.

So i see no problem with using proc healing sets to catch more ground with HPS hots zones.

Andarnor · April 2021

As a "real Pve Healer" i don't understand the problem. With most set combinations you can reach 38k. With Olorime, Hollow, Sinfonie and the perfect master staff, I easily reach the 40k Magika. As a Breton and with the eye bowl. But even if not. There is no reason to wear a Heal-procc-Set in the Pve, all previously affected sets are unimportant

p00tx · April 2021

@Starlight_Whisper which foods are you guys running? Witchmothers is pretty terrible if you're trying to increase your max mag, but Ghastly Eyebowl (if you need sustain), Arteum Pickled fishbowl (if you need some extra health but can do without the sustain), and Firsthold Fruit and Cheese Plate (for highest max mag with no additional health or sustain help. My personal favorite when I'm running RO/jorv) are all great options and can help you reach that 38k.

FantasticFreddie · April 2021

1) as a pve healer, I don't USE any sets that have a healing proc. Only 2 sets I can even name are Hiti Hearth and Winter's respite
2) High elf, spell power cure/master architect, pickled fish bowl, max magicka enchants, thief mundas and my necro is sitting at 40k max magicka currently, my roaring opportunist build can push 44k easily if I want her to.

Anonx31st · April 2021

38k max magicka on an end game character should not be an issue as a healer. By making these stat requirements it now helps remove the fake healers/tanks from your end game dungeons.

Tannus15 · April 2021

The only set I can really this mattering to for PvE heals is Bogdan.
We occasionally use hiti for prog groups where the dps are still learning to avoid the damage and we want some increased healing output.

It also seems very stupid to me to setup your healers in non proc sets and the exclaim that if they were using a proc set it would be bad. Wear a proc set, build around it, and then complain if it's going to be bad. It would be like a mag sorc wearing necropotence and brightthroat complaining that mad tinkerer now has a lousy tooltip.

Starlight_Whisper · April 2021

lolo_01b16_ESO wrote: »

Interessting survey. In your other thread, where you asked about how much max magicka we have on our healers, the responses were around 40-45k.

Genuine question: Are you interessted in getting help how to have more magicka on your healer? [snip]
Also how do you get only 31k magicka on an Altmer? Did you accidently put your attribute points into stamina or forgot to enchant your armour?

[Edited to remove Rude Comments]

Standard setups are used. So no you missed point

Starlight_Whisper · April 2021

Anonx31st wrote: »

38k max magicka on an end game character should not be an issue as a healer. By making these stat requirements it now helps remove the fake healers/tanks from your end game dungeons.

Not really dps reach that high not healers. Healers should of been based on magicka regain

Starlight_Whisper · April 2021

p00tx wrote: »

@Starlight_Whisper which foods are you guys running? Witchmothers is pretty terrible if you're trying to increase your max mag, but Ghastly Eyebowl (if you need sustain), Arteum Pickled fishbowl (if you need some extra health but can do without the sustain), and Firsthold Fruit and Cheese Plate (for highest max mag with no additional health or sustain help. My personal favorite when I'm running RO/jorv) are all great options and can help you reach that 38k.

Thank you

Starlight_Whisper · April 2021

M0R_Gaming wrote: »

Starlight_Whisper wrote: »

Gone tell me a semi decent set for healers not dps with 38.3k max magicka. I had spc, jorvulds, temmics nothing like zens

The thing is, most sets that healers use in PvE are not healing sets. They are sets that provide a buff of some sort. Pure healing sets are usually limited to PvP because there is no such thing as overhealing in PvP.

Spell power cure does not scale.
Jorvulds does not scale.
IDK what temmics is, but I assume it doesn't scale.
In addition, Olorime, Worm, Mending, Hollowfang, Zen's, Sanctuary, Martial Knowledge, Hircine's, Ebon, and Shalk don't scale with maximum resources.

Symphony does scale, but it's the exact same scaling as on live right now.
Sentinel and Troll King don't scale.
The only monster sets that I've seen used in PvE healing that do scale are Earthgore and Chokethorn, and even then I usually see tanks running those, not healers.

DSA and BRP resto don't scale either.

All in all, your healing should NOT be affected. Before you complain about proc scaling killing your healing, first check to see if your procs are actually scaled. Most healing sets that do scale are pvp sets (like earthgore and chokethorn), since in pvp people don't really care about getting a buff, they care about staying alive.

Source - PTS and UESP Item logs

A list of sets that do scale with your maximum magicka/stamina:

Draugr's Heritage

Shalidor's Curse

Vampire's Kiss

Almalexia's Mercy

Oblivion's Edge

Nightflame

Redistributor

Briarheart

Chokethorn

Draugr's Rest

Earthgore

Nocturnal's Favor

Hiti's Hearth

Winter's Respite

Dragon's Appetite

This list was created by reading the search results on UESP's item logs at this link

I see thanks this resolved most of it. I still think 38k is ridiculously to high though, but what I did care about was buff set for most part anyways so thanks.

Lady_Galadhiel · April 2021

In my case : Sorc healer,high elf,SPC,hollow,Sentinel of Rkugamz = 36k magicka with wrong food, 39k+ with golden food.