MurderMostFoul wrote: »
Am I in some kind of bubble?
Maybe, I play Xbox NA, solo queue, high MMR. There, the players who perform the best are not wearing damage proc sets, except for several mag burst classes running caluurions. Maybe some of them are wearing healing procs that are harder to identify, but I highly doubt it.
Can any other Xbox NA BG players back me up here? Am I the only one who feels like the BG performance ceiling lies with stat sets, or at least mostly stat sets and perhaps one damage proc?
Malacath. - allows full on heavy armor / hp build
Ring of the wild hunt.
Ring of the pale order.
Torc of tonal constancy.
Snow treader.
Balorgh.
Eternal Vigor.
Just to name a few things that you "can't see".
oscarovegren wrote: »MurderMostFoul wrote: »StaticWave wrote: »High mmr bgs are filled with the same people wearing the same 3-4 proc sets. It's a delusion to bring up "build diversity". It's an even bigger delusion to say that "all builds are equal now", when it is a fact that a good player wearing 3 proc sets will always beat a good player wearing full stats.
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Am I in some kind of bubble?
Maybe, I play Xbox NA, solo queue, high MMR. There, the players who perform the best are not wearing damage proc sets, except for several mag burst classes running caluurions. Maybe some of them are wearing healing procs that are harder to identify, but I highly doubt it.
Can any other Xbox NA BG players back me up here? Am I the only one who feels like the BG performance ceiling lies with stat sets, or at least mostly stat sets and perhaps one damage proc?
HIGH MMR is plagued by procstacking
Mr_Gallows wrote: »YES please.but really I want a second BG option. Balanced BG, where you pick from a number og precreated template to determine your stats (except for skills, type of weapon, type of armor). Sort of the same as GW 2 has with the structured PvP.
Mr_Gallows wrote: »YES please.but really I want a second BG option. Balanced BG, where you pick from a number og precreated template to determine your stats (except for skills, type of weapon, type of armor). Sort of the same as GW 2 has with the structured PvP.
Mr_Gallows wrote: »YES please.but really I want a second BG option. Balanced BG, where you pick from a number og precreated template to determine your stats (except for skills, type of weapon, type of armor). Sort of the same as GW 2 has with the structured PvP.
Go play GW2 then. Let all of us who prefer ESO because we have build options enjoy ESO.
Mr_Gallows wrote: »Mr_Gallows wrote: »YES please.but really I want a second BG option. Balanced BG, where you pick from a number og precreated template to determine your stats (except for skills, type of weapon, type of armor). Sort of the same as GW 2 has with the structured PvP.
Go play GW2 then. Let all of us who prefer ESO because we have build options enjoy ESO.
Yes eso has build options... 100s of ways to fail and then a few meta builds that at least in the proc meta are just different flavours of the same.
Eso was better in many ways during late beta early release.. it being this ruined is an unfortunate development.
Mr_Gallows wrote: »Mr_Gallows wrote: »YES please.but really I want a second BG option. Balanced BG, where you pick from a number og precreated template to determine your stats (except for skills, type of weapon, type of armor). Sort of the same as GW 2 has with the structured PvP.
Go play GW2 then. Let all of us who prefer ESO because we have build options enjoy ESO.
Yes eso has build options... 100s of ways to fail and then a few meta builds that at least in the proc meta are just different flavours of the same.
Eso was better in many ways during late beta early release.. it being this ruined is an unfortunate development.
If what you say would be true than you already have your wish and everybody that is serious about PVP would be wearing the same "meta" gear..
But, fortunately, what you say is 100% false..
Mojomonkeyman wrote: »
That would destroy BGs for a lot of people who enjoy them for what they are. The current BG community on my server has, from what i can tell, entirely different priorities & needs ranging from deathmatch-only-queue to custom arenas (just to name a few). Ive not once heard any familiar BG veteran state that they want a no-proc BG test, quite the opposite to be honest.
This is the first patch where actually every playstyle is viable in nocp BGs (full stats, full procs, hybrid), yet you are running around demanding new limitations to suit your personal agenda.
I'm a BG regular, let me assure you, I WONT enjoy no proc environments for many reasons, most importantly because ZOS is now balancing the game for years with sets (they even said that they intend to do that some years back). Current class balance without access to all sets is absolutely terrible.
I dont want BG lobbies to be filled with 8+/12 magsorcs and rest stamina nerds. Anyone who played ESO since 2014 knows thats what happens when you empower stat based gameplay too much in eso - suddenly everyone is either a) a magsorc or b) generic stamina.
Dear @ZOS_GinaBruno,
The no proc Cyrodil has been a lot of fun, and even though I'm one of the people that have been asking for a no proc PVP environment, I'm still surprised by how much more I enjoy Cyrodil's combat without proc sets. Now, I very much want to experience no proc ESO pvp in different environments. I'm sure I am not alone.
In a couple months, procs will return to Cyrodil. When this happens, it would be awesome for us to have a one time, 1 month no proc BG test. I anticipate that the benefits of no proc pvp will shine even brighter in the pure even numbered team fight environment offered by the BG, and it will be very enjoyable even for those who are currently skeptical of the idea.
1 month long, limited-set (pure stat sets only) BGs, with double AP and XP from bgs.
And when that test ends, maybe a 1 month long limited-set Imperial City test with double TV. That would be the cherry on top.
Hope you'll consider it.
Mariusghost84 wrote: »No proc bgs would be my dream come true. Really hope it gets implemented!
ClawOfTheTwoMoons wrote: »Zos said no proc bgs and ic are coming. Crutch-kids don't want to admit that zos saw a overwhelming positive reaction to the no proc cyro lmao. Can't wait.
ClawOfTheTwoMoons wrote: »Zos said no proc bgs and ic are coming. Crutch-kids don't want to admit that zos saw a overwhelming positive reaction to the no proc cyro lmao. Can't wait.
ClawOfTheTwoMoons wrote: »Zos said no proc bgs and ic are coming. Crutch-kids don't want to admit that zos saw a overwhelming positive reaction to the no proc cyro lmao. Can't wait.
MurderMostFoul wrote: »ClawOfTheTwoMoons wrote: »Zos said no proc bgs and ic are coming. Crutch-kids don't want to admit that zos saw a overwhelming positive reaction to the no proc cyro lmao. Can't wait.
When did they say this!?!
ClawOfTheTwoMoons wrote: »Zos said no proc bgs and ic are coming. Crutch-kids don't want to admit that zos saw a overwhelming positive reaction to the no proc cyro lmao. Can't wait.
I really hoped for a no procset campaign tho. We forgot how fun the game could be, going back to proc heroes will be even harder to digest. No proc cyrodill was the most fun i had in eso for years (even tho was still unplayable for the lag)
Waffennacht wrote: »ClawOfTheTwoMoons wrote: »Zos said no proc bgs and ic are coming. Crutch-kids don't want to admit that zos saw a overwhelming positive reaction to the no proc cyro lmao. Can't wait.
Oh nice! No CP class imbalance BGs limited to 17 sets?!
Cant wait to go to Cyrodill now instead of BGs!