ZOS recently added this base critical resistance. The big reason is that it makes it easier for PVE-only players to transition to PVP.

Critical resistance just isn't needed in PVE zones, so PVE players rarely think about it. This alleviates some of the necessity to swap to impenetrable gear when PVE players go to PVP zones for Midyear Mayhem and other events. When all the PVP players wore impen, it used to be I could always tell who was a PVE player because they blew up like a popped balloon when my PVP character looked at them funny.

So it makes the steep learning curve that is PVP in ESO a little easier for PVE players, and I'm all in favor of that.

divnyi wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

ZOS recently added this base critical resistance. The big reason is that it makes it easier for PVE-only players to transition to PVP.

Guess what else PvE players run? They run crits.

I do agree with impen nerf. I don't agree with giving tonns of crit resistance for free.

I mean hell, I did try to build a templar ADC stacked with damage glyphs and crit and critdamage. I'm fine with having almost no sustain, I'm fine with being so squishy I die from random skelebombs and aoes. I'm not okay with a feeling that I do less damage than my 35k necro with malacath and procs.

I mean yeah, I'm selfish here, but it's not just about me. I'll adapt, I have 8 chars and I experiment a whole lot, I wasted tonns of resources doing weird stuff and I don't mind really. It's not about what I lost, it's about whole stat being practically irrelevant. It has serious balance implications in terms of game roles, and it is one of the components of why bruisers are the meta.

Sure, PVEers run crit. And it's a pretty common complaint that they get to PVP and can't kill anyone...except that complaint long predates ZOS adding base crit resistance to everyone. Most PVE players struggle to kill PVPers at first because they haven't learned how to recognize when a PVPer is on the defense vs vulnerable, much less considered how to time their damage bursts with a window of real vulnerability.

Just saying, I don't think the additional base crit resistance is the major factor that's preventing PVE players from securing kills in PVP with their crit-based PVE builds. On the other hand, the base crit resistance does make them noticeably more survivable against PVP crits than they used to be.

I'm also not convinced that crit builds were ever previously that effective outside of certain glass cannon builds that previously had to be intentional about their targets. After all, most PVPers wore a certain amount of base impen. So to me, this complaint seems more that previously easy targets like PVEers who came to Cyrodiil for events suddenly have more resistance to being blown up than they used to.

Likewise, we've been complaining about bruisers being the meta for a long time. As far as I'm concerned, the pros out weigh the cons...but then, I'm not trying to play a crit-based build like you are, so my opinion is going to be different.

Impenetrable trait was strong because crit was very strong in PvP. Base critical resistance nerfed crit in PVP. Thus, impenetrable could be nerfed and was no longer essential. This allows for more trait diversity in PvP.

People complain about ZOS not balancing PVP and PVE separately. Base critical resistance should at least be a bright spot for them.

I think crit resist makes the game more difficult to balance. Malacath become BiS for most builds (even non-proc ones) because crit damage is so lackluster with everybody getting a healthy amount of this pvp-only stat for free.

Sounds like a nightblade running in to someone with some crit resist they can’t 2 hit wombo combo. The base crit is to counter the heavy impen nerfs. But in all seriousness crit is currently very, very strong, stamblade is having a field day during prime time PvP and I’m not one to complain about jabs since surprise attacks can hit the same damage as an instant cast for a channeled ability and I usually have shuffle but getting hit without major evasion by khajit jabs hurts bad. Currently khakit with shadow mundas seems to be meta for most burst builds in cyro atm. I am also usually the biggest and most stern opponent of the game hand holding people in PvP, especially thumbless zerglings but the people that strut in to Cyro for monthly rewards and BGs for the daily reward in their divines PvE gear are actually too easy to kill without some free crit resist hand holding.

No, and take away the 1K free weapon/spell damage, 5 health, and free stats too.

And take away sets too, oh wait....

divnyi wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

Just saying, I don't think the additional base crit resistance is the major factor that's preventing PVE players from securing kills in PVP with their crit-based PVE builds.

Yeah, because +5% physical vulnerability on light armor is a major factor of stamina vs magica fights, but -20% crit damage (translates into -10% at least) is not a major factor

VaranisArano wrote: »

So to me, this complaint seems more that previously easy targets like PVEers who came to Cyrodiil for events suddenly have more resistance to being blown up than they used to.

I don't play Cyro, so you missed. And I still do insane KDA in newbie BG on even on this build, this is not relevant to the discussion.

VaranisArano wrote: »

Most PVE players struggle to kill PVPers at first because they haven't learned how to recognize when a PVPer is on the defense vs vulnerable, much less considered how to time their damage bursts with a window of real vulnerability.

Yeah, because they are vulnerable.. never. They roll 35k, 25k+ armor, and their HP% heals take them back when you do top tier DPS to them, even without cross-heals.

VaranisArano wrote: »

I'm also not convinced that crit builds were ever previously that effective outside of certain glass cannon builds that previously had to be intentional about their targets. After all, most PVPers wore a certain amount of base impen.

Yeah, so we gave everyone built-in impen, so now they can also have traits in block and roll dodge while being resistant to crits by default.

Bruisers weren't the pinnacle of meta until the proc meta. You went high on armor -> you went down on damage. It worked, but it wasn't top-tier duelist build.

But they aren't resistant to crits totally
Crit damage is just lessened, and builds stacking i to it can still add plenty (shadow / nightblade etc)

Edit : I also read your poll wrong, I'm fine with having base crit resist as it means finally some trait choice in PvP. So I'm a yes.