People can see my bank inventory?
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Tigertron✭✭✭✭No, if you lied about your drops (e.g. saying something of value didn't drop for you, when it did), and somebody calls you out on it... THAT IS STILL THEIR PROBLEM becuase they should not be looking in your inventory, they should not be ABLE to look in your inventory, they should not be able to see what dropped for you, and they are certainly not entitled to anything that dropped for you. Not even if they "called" for it in a dungeon run.
Somebody peeks in my inventory, they're not getting my stuff, even if it's useless to me and even if they can use it and I can't (which is never the case: supposing DD stuff drops for my tank, well, I can pass it to a DD.)
It’s not looking in you inventory, it’s looking at group loot information. Your DPS and healing gear you are wearing, skills you have slotted and more is logged as well and that information is available to everyone in the group. What’s in your bank and backpack is not logged.2 -
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✭KalyanLazair wrote: »If you were in group, it's an addon that lets people see what you loot.
Is there also an addon that prevents people from seeing what you have in your inventory?x-TallyCat-x // PC EU DC - For the Covenant! // ESO Platinum trophy - 16th May 2017.
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KalyanLazair✭✭✭✭LadyLethalla wrote: »KalyanLazair wrote: »If you were in group, it's an addon that lets people see what you loot.
Is there also an addon that prevents people from seeing what you have in your inventory?
No. Lets not get in that discussion. It was already exhausting enough a few weeks back.2 -
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✭No, if you lied about your drops (e.g. saying something of value didn't drop for you, when it did), and somebody calls you out on it... THAT IS STILL THEIR PROBLEM becuase they should not be looking in your inventory, they should not be ABLE to look in your inventory, they should not be able to see what dropped for you, and they are certainly not entitled to anything that dropped for you. Not even if they "called" for it in a dungeon run.
Somebody peeks in my inventory, they're not getting my stuff, even if it's useless to me and even if they can use it and I can't (which is never the case: supposing DD stuff drops for my tank, well, I can pass it to a DD.)
It’s not looking in you inventory, it’s looking at group loot information. Your DPS and healing gear you are wearing, skills you have slotted and more is logged as well and that information is available to everyone in the group. What’s in your bank and backpack is not logged.
Still. that's stuff that SHOULD NOT be logged so that one player can see another. Players should have to literally ask to find what another player has in their inventory, or what loot dropped for another player. Not be able to spy into their inventory: and yes, it is spying into their inventory, because there is no such thing as "group loot that isn't individual to the player". Every player, INDIVIDUALLY, gets loot, and it's different. The loot does not drop to "the group, to be assigned", it drops to "the player".
And if somebody tells me that I've got something and they want it... they're not getting it, on principle. I'd rather smash it.
Now, if they say in general group chat "has anybody got item X" and I happen to have a spare of it - that is, I have it "Collected", rather than "Not Collected" - then I *may* trade them it. If they offer to trade me a thing in return. But, acting like they're entitled to it because it's for their role? No way. I might have a character of that role too.
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✭✭✭✭Now, if they say in general group chat "has anybody got item X" and I happen to have a spare of it - that is, I have it "Collected", rather than "Not Collected" - then I *may* trade them it. If they offer to trade me a thing in return. But, acting like they're entitled to it
"just because they know it exists; no way."
There, fixed it for yaTenesi Faryon of Telvanni - Dunmer Sorceress who deliberately sought sacrifice into Cold Harbor to rescue her beloved.
Hisa Ni Caemaire - Altmer Sorceress, member of the Order Draconis and Adept of the House of Dibella.
Broken Branch Toothmaul - goblin (for my goblin characters, I use either orsimer or bosmer templates) Templar, member of the Order Draconis and persistently unskilled pickpocket
Mol gro Durga - Orsimer Socerer/Battlemage who died the first time when the Nibenay Valley chapterhouse of the Order Draconis was destroyed, then went back to Cold Harbor to rescue his second/partner who was still captive. He overestimated his resistance to the hopelessness of Oblivion, about to give up, and looked up to see the golden glow of atherius surrounding a beautiful young woman who extended her hand to him and said "I can help you". He carried Fianna Kingsley out of Cold Harbor on his shoulder. He carried Alvard Stower under one arm. He also irritated the Prophet who had intended the portal for only Mol and Lyris.***Order Draconis - well c'mon there has to be some explanation for all those dragon tattoos.
House of Dibella - If you have ever seen or read "Memoirs of a Geisha" that's just the beginning...
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✭✭✭That's right never give anyone anything that peaks in your inventory. A guy begged me for a drop and I told him I would have given it to him but he used that add on. So I deconed it. That add on should be band.
Agreed. That add-on is creepy and had caused drama as it is, from some players that do not understand the word no.
imo, there is no need for a spying add-on in this game.
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Auth3nticGlitch✭✭✭LadyLethalla wrote: »KalyanLazair wrote: »If you were in group, it's an addon that lets people see what you loot.
Is there also an addon that prevents people from seeing what you have in your inventory?
I've been working on an addon that will re-route the whisper for your loot to group chat and or ignore/filter out the whisper completely without filtering/ignoring friends or guildies. But I've been adding an automation module to LUI Extended and playing the events so I haven't had much time to work on it but it will be available eventually, I"ll be posting it in the addon forums soon for feedback and then adding it to eosui.9 -
NeeScrolls✭✭✭✭Somewhere in the server is a list for what items are "active" in the game and where they are. It all depends what the API is sending and receiving.Given how much private information ZOS is making publicly available through their API, I wouldn't be surprised. .
What do u guys mean exactly? And is there any way to guard against those inherent flaws within their API so as to prevent situations like apparently happened to the OP? Or is this just sorta par-for-the-course when logged into any online MMO ?Edited by NeeScrolls on April 17, 2021 2:23AM0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭NeeScrolls wrote: »Somewhere in the server is a list for what items are "active" in the game and where they are. It all depends what the API is sending and receiving.Given how much private information ZOS is making publicly available through their API, I wouldn't be surprised. .
What do u guys mean exactly? And is there any way to guard against those inherent flaws within their API so as to prevent situations like apparently happened to the OP? Or is this just sorta par-for-the-course when logged into any online MMO ?
You don't own your character or anything in game. You merely rent it from ZOS. The API (I forget what it stands for) allows add-ons to send and receive game information to do lots of stuff. I don't think anybody has a full list of what the API can share between the server (ZOS) and the client (gamer). What you have in your bank is stored on the server, not your computer, makes it harder to dup items. It is possible someone found the right API code to scan what people have in their bank, just like TTC can scan what people have in the store. It's difficult to guard against the unknown. While it might be possible for someone to scan bank inventory, you would still have to give that item to them, they can't reach in and take it. To guard against getting scammed, you need to pay attention to what you do.3 -
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As far as the AddOn API goes, that is correct. AddOns can NOT look at someone else's inventory.It’s not looking in you inventory, it’s looking at group loot information.
What is exposed in the API is the loot that everyone in a group receives while they are grouped..
It's important to understand the difference ...
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✭✭Other MMO I played had group loot channel where drops for group were repoted. (Also you could inspect any friendly player and examine their gear in detail, a missing feature in this game.) It's useful and necessary information for organised group activities.
Group members in group activity having access to loot drop info does not mean people can see into your pocket or peek what color panties you are using.3 -
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✭KalyanLazair wrote: »LadyLethalla wrote: »KalyanLazair wrote: »If you were in group, it's an addon that lets people see what you loot.
Is there also an addon that prevents people from seeing what you have in your inventory?
No. Lets not get in that discussion. It was already exhausting enough a few weeks back.
Sorry, I'm on PS5 so I don't normally read PC threads, but as I am going to buy a nice, shiny gaming laptop soon...
x-TallyCat-x // PC EU DC - For the Covenant! // ESO Platinum trophy - 16th May 2017.
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HalfRain216✭✭✭More than likely was sitting at the writs drop off asking every person he seen dropping them off in hopes someone did pick one up.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭HalfRain216 wrote: »More than likely was sitting at the writs drop off asking every person he seen dropping them off in hopes someone did pick one up.
My thinking is that there is an addon out there that is installed by "Luke" that notices certain collected items and sends a whisper or mail to the addon author. This might be without "Luke" even knowing. If such an addon exists, whether this violates the ToS or CoC is for ZOS to decide.XBox EU/NA:@ElsonsoJannus
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My thinking is that there is an addon out there that is installed by "Luke" that notices certain collected items and sends a whisper or mail to the addon author. This might be without "Luke" even knowing. If such an addon exists, whether this violates the ToS or CoC is for ZOS to decide.HalfRain216 wrote: »More than likely was sitting at the writs drop off asking every person he seen dropping them off in hopes someone did pick one up.
Interesting idea and that would actually be possible using the API.
If that is the case, it might be hidden within an AddOn that otherwise has a different functionality. Like the one that injected different display names for some self-proclaimed special elite players.
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Klad✭✭✭✭Maybe writing a add on to block the intrusive one...I have some time in the coming week, I may look into it.0
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Elsonso✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Maybe writing a add on to block the intrusive one...I have some time in the coming week, I may look into it.
I have done this. So have others. There is known "malware" in the ESO addon community. They key is identifying it, then reporting it to ZOS. After that, we (correctly) assume that ZOS does not care and some addon writer deals with it.XBox EU/NA:@ElsonsoJannus
PC NA/EU: @Elsonso
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Tigertron✭✭✭✭No, if you lied about your drops (e.g. saying something of value didn't drop for you, when it did), and somebody calls you out on it... THAT IS STILL THEIR PROBLEM becuase they should not be looking in your inventory, they should not be ABLE to look in your inventory, they should not be able to see what dropped for you, and they are certainly not entitled to anything that dropped for you. Not even if they "called" for it in a dungeon run.
Somebody peeks in my inventory, they're not getting my stuff, even if it's useless to me and even if they can use it and I can't (which is never the case: supposing DD stuff drops for my tank, well, I can pass it to a DD.)
It’s not looking in you inventory, it’s looking at group loot information. Your DPS and healing gear you are wearing, skills you have slotted and more is logged as well and that information is available to everyone in the group. What’s in your bank and backpack is not logged.
Still. that's stuff that SHOULD NOT be logged so that one player can see another. Players should have to literally ask to find what another player has in their inventory, or what loot dropped for another player. Not be able to spy into their inventory: and yes, it is spying into their inventory, because there is no such thing as "group loot that isn't individual to the player". Every player, INDIVIDUALLY, gets loot, and it's different. The loot does not drop to "the group, to be assigned", it drops to "the player".
And if somebody tells me that I've got something and they want it... they're not getting it, on principle. I'd rather smash it.
Now, if they say in general group chat "has anybody got item X" and I happen to have a spare of it - that is, I have it "Collected", rather than "Not Collected" - then I *may* trade them it. If they offer to trade me a thing in return. But, acting like they're entitled to it because it's for their role? No way. I might have a character of that role too.
Wow. Do you realize that is incredibly selfish? Why do you not want to help people? If you want it then say so. Don’t destroy it because you don’t want someone else to have it.
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Addons can not send information. You would need to have a separate program running on you computer to do that and a backend server. Like what TTC does. Or ESO logs.
My thinking is that there is an addon out there that is installed by "Luke" that notices certain collected items and sends a whisper or mail to the addon author. This might be without "Luke" even knowing. If such an addon exists, whether this violates the ToS or CoC is for ZOS to decide.HalfRain216 wrote: »More than likely was sitting at the writs drop off asking every person he seen dropping them off in hopes someone did pick one up.
Interesting idea and that would actually be possible using the API.
If that is the case, it might be hidden within an AddOn that otherwise has a different functionality. Like the one that injected different display names for some self-proclaimed special elite players.
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Addons can not send information. You would need to have a separate program running on you computer to do that and a backend server. Like what TTC does. Or ESO logs.
My thinking is that there is an addon out there that is installed by "Luke" that notices certain collected items and sends a whisper or mail to the addon author. This might be without "Luke" even knowing. If such an addon exists, whether this violates the ToS or CoC is for ZOS to decide.HalfRain216 wrote: »More than likely was sitting at the writs drop off asking every person he seen dropping them off in hopes someone did pick one up.
Interesting idea and that would actually be possible using the API.
If that is the case, it might be hidden within an AddOn that otherwise has a different functionality. Like the one that injected different display names for some self-proclaimed special elite players.
Err what? AddOns can send in-game messages to other players. There's no need to go outside of the game.
A malicious AddOn you have installed could theoretically read your inventory/bank/storage contents and send a message about that to another player without you ever knowing about it.
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✭No, if you lied about your drops (e.g. saying something of value didn't drop for you, when it did), and somebody calls you out on it... THAT IS STILL THEIR PROBLEM becuase they should not be looking in your inventory, they should not be ABLE to look in your inventory, they should not be able to see what dropped for you, and they are certainly not entitled to anything that dropped for you. Not even if they "called" for it in a dungeon run.
Somebody peeks in my inventory, they're not getting my stuff, even if it's useless to me and even if they can use it and I can't (which is never the case: supposing DD stuff drops for my tank, well, I can pass it to a DD.)
It’s not looking in you inventory, it’s looking at group loot information. Your DPS and healing gear you are wearing, skills you have slotted and more is logged as well and that information is available to everyone in the group. What’s in your bank and backpack is not logged.
Still. that's stuff that SHOULD NOT be logged so that one player can see another. Players should have to literally ask to find what another player has in their inventory, or what loot dropped for another player. Not be able to spy into their inventory: and yes, it is spying into their inventory, because there is no such thing as "group loot that isn't individual to the player". Every player, INDIVIDUALLY, gets loot, and it's different. The loot does not drop to "the group, to be assigned", it drops to "the player".
And if somebody tells me that I've got something and they want it... they're not getting it, on principle. I'd rather smash it.
Now, if they say in general group chat "has anybody got item X" and I happen to have a spare of it - that is, I have it "Collected", rather than "Not Collected" - then I *may* trade them it. If they offer to trade me a thing in return. But, acting like they're entitled to it because it's for their role? No way. I might have a character of that role too.
Wow. Do you realize that is incredibly selfish? Why do you not want to help people? If you want it then say so. Don’t destroy it because you don’t want someone else to have it.
They're just expressing a sentiment, not detailing a plan. It's no different from saying you'd refuse to do something if ordered to, that you'd expect to be asked nicely. It's a sentiment I agree with.PC | EU5 -
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✭✭✭✭✭KalyanLazair wrote: »If you were in group, it's an addon that lets people see what you loot.
This is so so so so messed up. An addon that scans what I loot in a group? This is just awful, fix or ban this addon ZOS. This definitely is an invasion of privacy. Why is this even possible?
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✭1. Other can NOT see your inventory, bank and house storage. This could lead to frequent "rich" accounts hacking.
2. While in group - server DOES multicast all loot drops (you can capture with the "Group Loot Notifier" addon or its alternatives) - this is a part of the game, by design, as this is implemented by Zenimax.PC EU3 -
xv1_me✭✭✭You sure he wasn’t just guessing you had a dust? I do that too at times “ hey sell me some plates I know you have em”0
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✭✭✭✭✭No, if you lied about your drops (e.g. saying something of value didn't drop for you, when it did), and somebody calls you out on it... THAT IS STILL THEIR PROBLEM becuase they should not be looking in your inventory, they should not be ABLE to look in your inventory, they should not be able to see what dropped for you, and they are certainly not entitled to anything that dropped for you. Not even if they "called" for it in a dungeon run.
Somebody peeks in my inventory, they're not getting my stuff, even if it's useless to me and even if they can use it and I can't (which is never the case: supposing DD stuff drops for my tank, well, I can pass it to a DD.)
It’s not looking in you inventory, it’s looking at group loot information. Your DPS and healing gear you are wearing, skills you have slotted and more is logged as well and that information is available to everyone in the group. What’s in your bank and backpack is not logged.
Still. that's stuff that SHOULD NOT be logged so that one player can see another. Players should have to literally ask to find what another player has in their inventory, or what loot dropped for another player. Not be able to spy into their inventory: and yes, it is spying into their inventory, because there is no such thing as "group loot that isn't individual to the player". Every player, INDIVIDUALLY, gets loot, and it's different. The loot does not drop to "the group, to be assigned", it drops to "the player".
And if somebody tells me that I've got something and they want it... they're not getting it, on principle. I'd rather smash it.
Now, if they say in general group chat "has anybody got item X" and I happen to have a spare of it - that is, I have it "Collected", rather than "Not Collected" - then I *may* trade them it. If they offer to trade me a thing in return. But, acting like they're entitled to it because it's for their role? No way. I might have a character of that role too.
Wow. Do you realize that is incredibly selfish? Why do you not want to help people? If you want it then say so. Don’t destroy it because you don’t want someone else to have it.
I'm not on PC, but if I was I would have the same attitude. Especially after seeing all the responses in defense of the add-on that seek to invalidate how other people feel about you snooping in THEIR inventory. TBH. If the people defending the add-on were actually supportive of those wanting out, instead of telling them to suck it up, calling them selfish, etc then I would probably feel differently quite frankly.Edited by spartaxoxo on April 18, 2021 3:05AM5 -
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@SeraphayelSeraphayel wrote: »KalyanLazair wrote: »If you were in group, it's an addon that lets people see what you loot.
This is so so so so messed up. An addon that scans what I loot in a group? This is just awful, fix or ban this addon ZOS. This definitely is an invasion of privacy. Why is this even possible?
@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom
What privacy? ZOS owns your data. Don't know why it's not a built-in feature like in most MMOs.Edited by Viewsfrom6ix on April 18, 2021 3:23AM7 -
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✭Viewsfrom6ix wrote: »
@SeraphayelSeraphayel wrote: »KalyanLazair wrote: »If you were in group, it's an addon that lets people see what you loot.
This is so so so so messed up. An addon that scans what I loot in a group? This is just awful, fix or ban this addon ZOS. This definitely is an invasion of privacy. Why is this even possible?
@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom
What privacy? ZOS owns your data. Don't know why it's not a built-in feature like in most MMOs.
ZOS are not using the addon to beg you for loot though, and they have our consent.PC | EU3 -
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✭✭✭✭Why do you not want to help people? If you want it then say so. Don’t destroy it because you don’t want someone else to have it.
Because you want something is not reason enough for me to give it to you.
In game
In life.
Expecting that people who are not you "should" give stuff to you is your problem, not my obligation.Tenesi Faryon of Telvanni - Dunmer Sorceress who deliberately sought sacrifice into Cold Harbor to rescue her beloved.
Hisa Ni Caemaire - Altmer Sorceress, member of the Order Draconis and Adept of the House of Dibella.
Broken Branch Toothmaul - goblin (for my goblin characters, I use either orsimer or bosmer templates) Templar, member of the Order Draconis and persistently unskilled pickpocket
Mol gro Durga - Orsimer Socerer/Battlemage who died the first time when the Nibenay Valley chapterhouse of the Order Draconis was destroyed, then went back to Cold Harbor to rescue his second/partner who was still captive. He overestimated his resistance to the hopelessness of Oblivion, about to give up, and looked up to see the golden glow of atherius surrounding a beautiful young woman who extended her hand to him and said "I can help you". He carried Fianna Kingsley out of Cold Harbor on his shoulder. He carried Alvard Stower under one arm. He also irritated the Prophet who had intended the portal for only Mol and Lyris.***Order Draconis - well c'mon there has to be some explanation for all those dragon tattoos.
House of Dibella - If you have ever seen or read "Memoirs of a Geisha" that's just the beginning...
Nibenay Valley Chapterhouse - Where now stands only desolate ground and a dolmen there once was a thriving community supporting one of the major chapterhouses of the Order Draconis7
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