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Do you feel just as strong in CP 2.0?

zvavi
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As we know ZOS were reassuring us that we will feel just as strong in CP 2.0, example source:
ZOS_SamL wrote: »

An 810 on CP1.0 will feel just as strong walking into CP2.0.

Now that we have been in the CP 2.0 system for a while, how do you, the CP 810+, feel about it?

Do you feel just as strong in CP 2.0? 185 votes

Yes, I feel just as strong, in all aspects.
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SirAndyloaganb16_ESOKhrogoTandorAstironRex-UmbraEirikirRaddlemanNumber7phileunderx2GreenseaWoppaBoemJayrooTigertronRedguards_RevengeIppokrates 15 votes
Yes, I feel just as strong, weaker in some aspects, stronger in others.
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NestorInklingsnwilliams2107b16_ESOFauxHunterBodycounterAlnilamEMorimizoBouldercleaveVaranaSarannahVevvevNagualVLadyNalcaryaNyladreasThe_Old_GoatmeekmikogeonsocalNarvuntienLadislaojssriot 49 votes
No, I feel even stronger overall.
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SalmeynaInaMoonlightEllieBlueParasaurolophusBreakfinityBobby_V_Rockitred_emuRexy18ErMurazorVelesAshrynrelentless_turnipLintashiFhritzetchedpixelsKredoFaylenSol 17 votes
No, I feel weaker overall.
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KikazaruGilvothMojmirKesstrylssewallb14_ESOMahabahabthaghost_bg_ESOGythralMaythorMalthorneAldia_of_DrangleicKwoungHurbsterMasterSpatulaNoMoreChilliespreeviousLord_HevRomoArcVelarianlillybit 97 votes
Other.
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ThorntongueAstridTornaadStarlockrpaFadedDreamyLu 7 votes
  • iksde
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    No, I feel weaker overall.
    dps is lower in overall, thats what we know
    but there is something noone is talking - effective health - like in CP1.0 we could have much bigger reductions to damage than now we can cleary compare that no effective health around 24k is same as 18k before

    we have more all flat statistics but we are now missing so much in cp we need anyway to invest for more health in pve so not only our dps is hurting
  • oddbasket
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    As far as PVE goes, stronger with more passive resource and healing allowing more focus on dps, the less mitigation is mostly negated with passive healing except for maybe large burst damage from bosses.
  • AinSoph
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    Yes, I feel just as strong, weaker in some aspects, stronger in others.
    hrrngh mitigation please
  • ArcVelarian
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    No, I feel weaker overall.
    The Craft CP tree has too many Stars that should be Passive but are currently Slot-able. Master-Gatherer, Treasure Hunter (which is bugged atm), Meticulous Disassembly, and Plentiful Harvest.
    Murphy's Law of PvP : If it can be abused and or exploited, it will be abused and or exploited.
  • merpins
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    No, I feel weaker overall.
    it's about a 10% DPS loss across the board, though I did create a DPS after the update that was better than any of my other DPS', even before. But again, it's 10% weaker than it would have been before, but at least I feel stronger than before since I found a DPS that I'm good at and is stronger than my old ones.
  • rpa
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    Other.
    To be honest, I'm not good at all in feeling about power. I had just reached 810 when cp2 hit but I think last time I had actually fidded with my cp was around 700. I think I'm somewhere around 950 now and have 100+ unplaced points.

    I do care about quality of life, so desing of the green tree feels bit... unfortunate.
  • LeonAkando
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    No, I feel weaker overall.
    In retrospect I’d revote and say I feel stronger in some areas and weaker in most.
    The most notable hit is to damage. However, sustain is significantly stronger. This really hasn’t done anything to increase my dps in trials, because sustain already wasn’t an issue there.
    However in dungeons, overland, and arenas the sustain has afforded me more dps than I did before.

    Also tanks just feel stronger in every regard.
  • Avoranti
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    No, I feel weaker overall.
    As a player with multiple characters, classes and roles (16 characters, 4 Tanks, 2 healers, 3 stam dd’s the rest are magicka DD’s), blocking takes way more resources for my tanks, dps is down across the board (we knew this was coming) but it feels even weaker than what was projected. Also spell/physical resistances are way lower. Especially for DD’s. Spec for increase spell resist for a Stam character and it doesn’t seem to reflect in the stats.

    I also believe there is a penetration bug as well as some other issues like, stamina randomly dropping to zero for no reason at all. Or getting knocked down as a tank from attacks that prior to cp change could be blocked.

    Overall, yeah, it feels weaker.
  • SeaGtGruff
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    Yes, I feel just as strong, weaker in some aspects, stronger in others.
    In certain things I feel weaker because I haven't increased those to their full power yet.

    But in other things I feel stronger because I'm able to recover my resources faster.

    So it sort of balances out.
    I've fought mudcrabs more fearsome than me!
  • SirAndy
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    Yes, I feel just as strong, in all aspects.
    I guess not having cookie cutter builds has finally paid off for me.
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  • NoMoreChillies
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    No, I feel weaker overall.
    so weak the will to play the game is dwindling
    Insulting people on the internet is cowardly.
  • zvavi
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    No, I feel weaker overall.
    SirAndy wrote: »
    I guess not having cookie cutter builds has finally paid off for me.
    w00t.gif


    I am very skeptical and in belief that it is not because of the build but because of lack of testing and a way to accurately measure the difference in the power of your build.
  • SirAndy
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    Yes, I feel just as strong, in all aspects.
    zvavi wrote: »
    SirAndy wrote: »
    I guess not having cookie cutter builds has finally paid off for me.
    w00t.gif
    I am very skeptical and in belief that it is not because of the build but because of lack of testing and a way to accurately measure the difference in the power of your build.

    Thank you! I had no idea i was lacking testing and accurate measure.

    Do you have any other insights in the shortcomings of my builds and my lack of knowledge of game mechanics?
    If so, please do share ...
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  • zvavi
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    No, I feel weaker overall.
    SirAndy wrote: »
    zvavi wrote: »
    SirAndy wrote: »
    I guess not having cookie cutter builds has finally paid off for me.
    w00t.gif
    I am very skeptical and in belief that it is not because of the build but because of lack of testing and a way to accurately measure the difference in the power of your build.

    Thank you! I had no idea i was lacking testing and accurate measure.

    Do you have any other insights in the shortcomings of my builds and my lack of knowledge of game mechanics?
    If so, please do share ...
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    You might be correct and you are just as strong, apologies if I rubbed you the wrong way, if anything I would love to see your your tests that suggested you are just as strong.
  • Vevvev
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    Yes, I feel just as strong, weaker in some aspects, stronger in others.
    CP 2.0 actually buffed my build greatly. Since I never built into sustain Rejuvenation is more effective than all those % based buffs, and since I'm not putting points in for passives I could fully spec out Thaumaturge for my magDK!!!

    Now that being said I have lost a lot of my defensive buffs in favor for offensive ones. The defensive stars still exist, but I have to sacrifice offensive power for them.

    I'm honestly fine with this as it's made PVP more challenging, but I know people are not a fan of being squishier, and the end game population doesn't like the changes leading to a DPS decrease. We are getting more additions to the CP system like light/heavy attack buffs so we'll see how this goes.
    PC NA - Ceyanna Ashton - Breton Vampire MagDK
  • DreamyLu
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    Other.
    I'm newbie to ESO. I reached level 50 recently only. The previous CP system looked so complicated to me that I had postponed working on it to a later step. Then the new system was implemented. The noise about it draws my attention and motivated me to give it a look.
    Wow! Nice! At first sight, I knew what I had to do. It was self-explaining to me. Thanks to that intuitive interface, I started using the CP points.

    So, as I'm new to the game, I can't judge the impact in comparison to the old one. But if I compare at the level of the first approach to it as a newbie: I very much prefer this new one. Just one interface. Easy communication system with one node unlocking adjacent ones. Simple reading of the text to understand what one node gives. For me, it's just a win. <3
    I'm out of my mind, feel free to leave a message... PC/NA
  • Gythral
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    No, I feel weaker overall.
    Both weaker and wasting more time!

    All round nerfs and most craft/collect/steal previous passives are now wait 30s, yes wait 30s, yes that's right: "Check you have a valid internet connection" ...

    Only plus is no longer sloting rapids and pushing key...
    “Be as a tower, that, firmly set,
    Shakes not its top for any blast that blows!”
    Dante Alighieri, The Divine Comedy
  • thorwyn
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    Yes, I feel just as strong, weaker in some aspects, stronger in others.
    My damage output is the same, but my survivability isn't. Feels like I am taking a lot more damage now, despite all defensive passives.
    And if the dam breaks open many years too soon
    And if there is no room upon the hill
    And if your head explodes with dark forebodings too
    I'll see you on the dark side of the moon
  • Kwoung
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    No, I feel weaker overall.
    With the possible exception of horse speed, and I am not convinced even that was a buff or going all in just puts you right back where you were 3 months ago, I feel like every single thing was a nerf. Everything that was supposed to be a buff on top of what was, feels like it simply gets you back to or slightly below where you were previously. That's just how it "feels" to me, as I have noticed zero benefit from the new system and particularly worst off in most cases. (CP 1180)
  • Moonsorrow
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    No, I feel weaker overall.
    Waiting for mondays PTS in "excitement".. to see how much as strong we are then if they gonna nerf some of the cp passives even more. Hmm..
  • TwinLamps
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    No, I feel weaker overall.
    Weaker. My damage is lower, my mitigation is [censored]
    Awake, but at what cost
  • Fhritz
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    No, I feel even stronger overall.
    zvavi wrote: »
    As we know ZOS were reassuring us that we will feel just as strong in CP 2.0, example source:
    ZOS_SamL wrote: »

    An 810 on CP1.0 will feel just as strong walking into CP2.0.

    Now that we have been in the CP 2.0 system for a while, how do you, the CP 810+, feel about it?

    60k dps before the patch. 70k now, without changing my rotation or anything. Plus i have more health and sustain. Plus I have more mitigation.
    I'm a single character man.
    Stamblade. Khajiit. Mostly pvp.
    And...that's it.
  • Veles
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    No, I feel even stronger overall.
    As always, weak players feels weaker, strong players feels stronger. Nothing new.
  • Jaimeh
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    No, I feel weaker overall.
    A bit weaker, compared to parse of previous patch, but damage was through the roof anyway, so I don't mind that regard. Mitigation is also less, and in unorganized groups, this is a detriment for harder content, because compounded with less damage, you need to adjust how to do things. Also, this patch stam has issues reaching pen, it will be doubly worse next patch, I don't know what ZOS is thinking.
    Edited by Jaimeh on April 17, 2021 10:34AM
  • Nestor
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    Yes, I feel just as strong, weaker in some aspects, stronger in others.
    Just like every big combat update, I tweaked a few things and I am carrying on as before. Might be using a different gear set (rarely), certainly am using a different sequence of skills in my rotation, but, pretty much business as usual.
    Enjoy the game, life is what you really want to be worried about.

    PakKat "Everything was going well, until I died"
    Gary Gravestink "I am glad you died, I needed the help"

  • LashanW
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    Yes, I feel just as strong, weaker in some aspects, stronger in others.
    Speaking considering all major changes, not just CP2.0, and mostly a DD perspective:

    As a mag DD I feel a bit stronger in actual content. Sustain is ok while using pFG and bi-stat food. Even though trial dummy dps is lower, my dps on bosses seems to be unchanged, for example still can do 100k+ dps on vHoF first boss. (thanks to stuff like Encratis monster set and armor passive changes). Glad that 7 light (or 7 medium for you brave stam folks) is the meta for dps now because it helps with sustain as well. Buff food lasts longer too. Overall no complaints in terms of dps output and sustain.

    I am faster when not in combat, I take less fall damage which is awesome. "Slippery" CP star is super useful for me because my character doesn't usually show any animations for getting stunned (thanks to server desync and 200 ping) so automatic break free without any cost is just amazing to me.

    Survivability is tougher though not a big deal in PvE (still vHoF hm last boss execute feels very sweaty). Have to dodge some boss heavies as I can no longer survive by blocking them. I feel like I'm made of wet paper in no CP PvP tho, can still manage but holy hell. Templar jabs and nightblades in general hit so hard in no CP PvP it makes me wonder my place in the universe. Light armor penalties are pretty annoying in pvp.

    My mastercrafter is just a sad little man now, green CP tree is just horrible. Waay too much micromanaging in between simple mundane tasks. Completely unnecessary nonsense for a high CP master crafter character.
    Edited by LashanW on April 17, 2021 11:09AM
    ---No longer active in ESO---
    Platform: PC-EU
    CP: 2500+
    Trial Achievements
    Godslayer, Gryphon Heart, Tick-Tock Tormentor, Immortal Redeemer, Dro-m'Athra Destroyer, vMoL no death

    Arena Achievements
    vMA Flawless, vVH Spirit Slayer

    DLC Dungeon Trifectas
    Scalecaller Peak, Fang Lair, Depths of Malatar, Icereach
  • Hurbster
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    No, I feel weaker overall.
    When a game has been going as long as ESO, it should all be about the quality of life. And the green tree, quite frankly makes it worse. The majority should be passives.
    So they raised the floor and lowered the ceiling. Except the ceiling has spikes in it now and the floor is also lava.
  • AlnilamE
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    Yes, I feel just as strong, weaker in some aspects, stronger in others.
    I've not taken all my characters for a test drive yet, but I'm loving my templar healer again. She used to run out or resources all the time, and now I'm having a much easier time.
    The Moot Councillor
  • Bobby_V_Rockit
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    No, I feel even stronger overall.
    Stronger, but probably because I took the chance to respec mag sorc into a stam sorc... 22k on the 3mill dummy doing nothing but light attacks and crystal weapon. Feels good.
  • relentless_turnip
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    No, I feel even stronger overall.
    PvP feels better in every way imo, including my damage. Mitigation is obviously less, but this was a necessary change IMO.
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