Men, Mer, or Betmer?

Lugaldu · April 2021

Mer

Never considered something else.

myskyrim26 · April 2021

wenchmore420b14_ESO wrote: »

The "Beastfolk" are not descended from the Aldmer.
The suffix of "Mer" designates Elf ancestry.
So "Betmer" doesn't really fit.
Just my 2 drakes...
Huzzah!

Also, yes. Orcs are Elves.

Bosmer and Khajiit have the same origin. There's a short, but very informative dialogue in Skywatch on this tipoc. Sload are betmer, too. Only Argonians are not betmer.

Uvi_AUT · April 2021

Playing the races I want is impossible. Racials are just too important in this game.

So my answer would be "Bite my tongue and play whatever racials fit the pattern".

If it where up to me, I would mostly choose Imperials. Elves are just to slavetrader-ey for me, yet they have the best racials.

Danikat · April 2021

Betmer

Morrowind was my first TES game and I don't think I realised it at the time but it was around the start of my tendency to look for games which did things I'd not seen before, rather than basically the same thing with new graphics. Before that the majority of RPGs I'd played had been based on various DnD campaign settings so when I was looking through the races to make my first character I was a bit discouraged that my options seemed to be all humans or elves, then I found the khajiit and argonians and got a lot more interested because I'd only played 1 other RPG with cat people and lizard people.

My first character was an argonian, but not long after that I swapped to a khajiit because they're a better fit for the kind of character I wanted to make...and my main character in each TES game has been a khajiit ever since.

I do also have an argonian, breton, Imperial, norn, dunmer and bosmer in ESO and my next permanent character is likely to be either an altmer or orc (I keep making redguards too but can't settle on one I like) but if I had to choose just 1 character they'd be a khajiit. (And if I could choose furstocks they'd be a tojay or canthy-raht, depending on the backstory I want to give them.)

Tranquilizer · April 2021

Wyrd88 wrote: »

BetMen.

First thought that crossed my mind when I read the thread title

snoozy · April 2021

Betmer

always been a khajiit main, will never change.

Jaimeh · April 2021

Betmer

My stats:

mer: 6
human: 8
beast: 10

But I usually choose based on passives, not looks.

zaria · April 2021

Betmer

Mostly Khajiit but has an Altmer and an Bosmer.

Ratzkifal · April 2021

Mer

myskyrim26 wrote: »

wenchmore420b14_ESO wrote: »

The "Beastfolk" are not descended from the Aldmer.
The suffix of "Mer" designates Elf ancestry.
So "Betmer" doesn't really fit.
Just my 2 drakes...
Huzzah!

Also, yes. Orcs are Elves.

Bosmer and Khajiit have the same origin. There's a short, but very informative dialogue in Skywatch on this tipoc. Sload are betmer, too. Only Argonians are not betmer.

@myskyrim26 Where is that source in Skywatch?
Also "Betmer" refers to all beastfolk, very much including Argonians. It is just a misnomer because "mer" is now used to distinguish elves from nonelves, so "Betmer" isn't really a word at all anymore.

ealdwin · April 2021

Men

For reference, here is the link to dialogue from an Altmer using the term “Betmer”

https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Guide_Culast

orion_1981usub17_ESO · April 2021

Mer

I have a wide variety of alts with 18 characters 4 of them are Dunmer all other races have one or two. No race is left out... I finally made an altmer. But dunmer and Bosmers, are generally the first races I play in any elder scrolls game.

myskyrim26 · April 2021

Ratzkifal wrote: »

myskyrim26 wrote: »

wenchmore420b14_ESO wrote: »

The "Beastfolk" are not descended from the Aldmer.
The suffix of "Mer" designates Elf ancestry.
So "Betmer" doesn't really fit.
Just my 2 drakes...
Huzzah!

Also, yes. Orcs are Elves.

Bosmer and Khajiit have the same origin. There's a short, but very informative dialogue in Skywatch on this tipoc. Sload are betmer, too. Only Argonians are not betmer.

@myskyrim26 Where is that source in Skywatch?
Also "Betmer" refers to all beastfolk, very much including Argonians. It is just a misnomer because "mer" is now used to distinguish elves from nonelves, so "Betmer" isn't really a word at all anymore.

I don't remember exactly, some NPC in Skywatch explains the Sload invasion. You can ask him who are the Sload, and he speaks on Betmer.

Parasaurolophus · April 2021

Mer

I just want to remind you that Khajiit are mers.

NotaDaedraWorshipper · April 2021

confettibae wrote: »

How are we talking about Orc creation lore without the best part? Trinimac was not just eaten by Boethia, he was digested and defecated out. Orcs split from the Mer after the followers of Trinimac rubbed this magic poop all over themselves. Magic poop y’all.

That's racist propaganda.

Vevvev · April 2021

Men

I prefer being a Breton but I do like some of the races of Mer. However, Bretons are a cross between elves and men it's like the best of both worlds!

MudcrabAttack · April 2021

Mer

80% elf

Woodelves are very different from the other elves, not very snobbish at all, and kind of gross if you think about it. They're like the antithesis of a high elf

Ratzkifal · April 2021

Mer

BrownChicken wrote: »

I just want to remind you that Khajiit are mers.

They aren't though. Generally if it looks like an elf, it is an elf. If it doesn't then it probably isn't one.

I don't think anyone honestly believes Bosmer aren't Elves, even if they don't come from Aldmeris. Bosmer and Khajiit both believe that they were given shape by Y'ffre and Azura respectively and mention how the other were made. Now these cultures have obviously been influencing each other, but this would not have happened if their beliefs weren't compatible to begin with. The Aldmer do not believe in a creator who gave them shape and neither do the Bretons or Dunmer who we can all trace back to Aldmeris. It stands to reason that since we cannot trace the Khajiit back to Aldmeris and they share a belief with the Bosmer about their origin, while the Bosmer do not think of the Khajiit as corrupted Elves but rather cousins, they are not actually Elves and claims otherwise are Dominion propaganda.
If we stretched the definition of "mer" far enough to encompass Khajiit, it becomes useless to the point were all humans would also be elves.

MellowMagic · April 2021

Men

Played as an imperial for every TES game since morrowind, they are the man race i most relate too. Long live the empire.

Far to many smelly elves voting though

B0SSzombie · April 2021

https://en.m.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Beastfolk

"Beastfolk (or Betmer) is used to refer to any sentient beast-like humanoid that inhabits Tamriel, such as the Argonians, Imga, and Khajiit."

And you know who else is further down on that page? Orsimer.

Betmer aren't "Beasts that are like people," they're "People that are Beastial." And in the Orcs case, they're people that are like Goblins and Goblin-kin, which are considered Beasts in the Elder Scrolls universe.

PrayingSeraph · April 2021

Mer

B0SSzombie wrote: »

https://en.m.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Beastfolk

"Beastfolk (or Betmer) is used to refer to any sentient beast-like humanoid that inhabits Tamriel, such as the Argonians, Imga, and Khajiit."

And you know who else is further down on that page? Orsimer.

Betmer aren't "Beasts that are like people," they're "People that are Beastial." And in the Orcs case, they're people that are like Goblins and Goblin-kin, which are considered Beasts in the Elder Scrolls universe.

Did you read what it stated?

"Orcs have elven blood"

Not only this, but one of the TES novels(I forget which) has Malacath essentially confirm the Trinimac>Malacath story. Let's not play semantics. Orcs are biologically elven, mer.

Also...

https://en.m.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Mer

Cundu_Ertur · April 2021

Ratzkifal wrote: »

BrownChicken wrote: »

I just want to remind you that Khajiit are mers.

They aren't though. Generally if it looks like an elf, it is an elf. If it doesn't then it probably isn't one.

I don't think anyone honestly believes Bosmer aren't Elves, even if they don't come from Aldmeris. Bosmer and Khajiit both believe that they were given shape by Y'ffre and Azura respectively and mention how the other were made. Now these cultures have obviously been influencing each other, but this would not have happened if their beliefs weren't compatible to begin with. The Aldmer do not believe in a creator who gave them shape and neither do the Bretons or Dunmer who we can all trace back to Aldmeris. It stands to reason that since we cannot trace the Khajiit back to Aldmeris and they share a belief with the Bosmer about their origin, while the Bosmer do not think of the Khajiit as corrupted Elves but rather cousins, they are not actually Elves and claims otherwise are Dominion propaganda.
If we stretched the definition of "mer" far enough to encompass Khajiit, it becomes useless to the point were all humans would also be elves.

*ahem*

Ohmes are Khajiit and look like elves (even the Ohmes-Raht, despite their tails), and let's face it, that's the race people are really playing in ESO these days.

Khajiit as mer: confirmed!

B0SSzombie · April 2021

PrayingSeraph wrote: »

B0SSzombie wrote: »

https://en.m.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Beastfolk

"Beastfolk (or Betmer) is used to refer to any sentient beast-like humanoid that inhabits Tamriel, such as the Argonians, Imga, and Khajiit."

And you know who else is further down on that page? Orsimer.

Betmer aren't "Beasts that are like people," they're "People that are Beastial." And in the Orcs case, they're people that are like Goblins and Goblin-kin, which are considered Beasts in the Elder Scrolls universe.

Did you read what it stated?

"Orcs have elven blood"

Not only this, but one of the TES novels(I forget which) has Malacath essentially confirm the Trinimac>Malacath story. Let's not play semantics. Orcs are biologically elven, mer.

Also...

https://en.m.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Mer

And did you read what I stated?

They can have Elven blood and still be Betmer. Khajiit are technically elves too. The thing that makes a Race qualify as a Betmer is being a "Mer" (Folk) that is very much like a "Bet" (Beast).

Mer =/= Elf.

Cryptor · April 2021

Betmer

I am a human male identifying as Agronian Bard.

Ratzkifal · April 2021

Mer

Cundu_Ertur wrote: »

Ratzkifal wrote: »

BrownChicken wrote: »

I just want to remind you that Khajiit are mers.

They aren't though. Generally if it looks like an elf, it is an elf. If it doesn't then it probably isn't one.

I don't think anyone honestly believes Bosmer aren't Elves, even if they don't come from Aldmeris. Bosmer and Khajiit both believe that they were given shape by Y'ffre and Azura respectively and mention how the other were made. Now these cultures have obviously been influencing each other, but this would not have happened if their beliefs weren't compatible to begin with. The Aldmer do not believe in a creator who gave them shape and neither do the Bretons or Dunmer who we can all trace back to Aldmeris. It stands to reason that since we cannot trace the Khajiit back to Aldmeris and they share a belief with the Bosmer about their origin, while the Bosmer do not think of the Khajiit as corrupted Elves but rather cousins, they are not actually Elves and claims otherwise are Dominion propaganda.
If we stretched the definition of "mer" far enough to encompass Khajiit, it becomes useless to the point were all humans would also be elves.

*ahem*

Ohmes are Khajiit and look like elves (even the Ohmes-Raht, despite their tails), and let's face it, that's the race people are really playing in ESO these days.

Khajiit as mer: confirmed!

Fair point, but people are already confused enough on the matter. You could argue that Ohmes are actually Elves, but like I said, if we stretch the definition of what's an elf too thinly, then literally anyone can be considered an elf because everyone comes from the original spirits then even humans would be elves, so the word really loses all meaning.

Ratzkifal · April 2021

Mer

B0SSzombie wrote: »

PrayingSeraph wrote: »

B0SSzombie wrote: »

https://en.m.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Beastfolk

"Beastfolk (or Betmer) is used to refer to any sentient beast-like humanoid that inhabits Tamriel, such as the Argonians, Imga, and Khajiit."

And you know who else is further down on that page? Orsimer.

Betmer aren't "Beasts that are like people," they're "People that are Beastial." And in the Orcs case, they're people that are like Goblins and Goblin-kin, which are considered Beasts in the Elder Scrolls universe.

Did you read what it stated?

"Orcs have elven blood"

Not only this, but one of the TES novels(I forget which) has Malacath essentially confirm the Trinimac>Malacath story. Let's not play semantics. Orcs are biologically elven, mer.

Also...

https://en.m.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Mer

And did you read what I stated?

They can have Elven blood and still be Betmer. Khajiit are technically elves too. The thing that makes a Race qualify as a Betmer is being a "Mer" (Folk) that is very much like a "Bet" (Beast).

Mer =/= Elf.

Mer = Elf.

Falmer = Snow Elf
Bosmer = Wood Elf
Chimer = Changed Elf
Dunmer = Dark/Cursed/Ill-favored by Fate Elf
Altmer = Cultured Elf
Aldmer = First/Elder Elf
Orsimer = Pariah Elf
Dwemer = Deep Elf
Maormer = Sea Elf

If "mer" means "folk", then where are the Nordmer, Bretmer, Cyrodmer, Ragadamer and Akavirimer? The word "mer" originally meant "folk", but that was before the Elves encountered the first humans. The meaning then shifted to refer to only Elves. Since then "betmer" is a misnomer, that might still be used, but is technically a wrong word.

It is really not that hard.

And Khajiit are not "technically elves". Ohmes are technically Elves if you ignore that Khajiit can't have children with Elves (or humans), which includes Ohmes.
The thing that makes a race qualify as "Betmer" - otherwise known as the category that does not technically exist - is being beast-like and according to a bunch of predjudiced people Orcs are like pigs, but they are indeed Elves, definitely moreso than Khajiit.

PrayingSeraph · April 2021

Mer

B0SSzombie wrote: »

PrayingSeraph wrote: »

B0SSzombie wrote: »

https://en.m.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Beastfolk

"Beastfolk (or Betmer) is used to refer to any sentient beast-like humanoid that inhabits Tamriel, such as the Argonians, Imga, and Khajiit."

And you know who else is further down on that page? Orsimer.

Betmer aren't "Beasts that are like people," they're "People that are Beastial." And in the Orcs case, they're people that are like Goblins and Goblin-kin, which are considered Beasts in the Elder Scrolls universe.

Did you read what it stated?

"Orcs have elven blood"

Not only this, but one of the TES novels(I forget which) has Malacath essentially confirm the Trinimac>Malacath story. Let's not play semantics. Orcs are biologically elven, mer.

Also...

https://en.m.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Mer

And did you read what I stated?

They can have Elven blood and still be Betmer. Khajiit are technically elves too. The thing that makes a Race qualify as a Betmer is being a "Mer" (Folk) that is very much like a "Bet" (Beast).

Mer =/= Elf.

Again, you are playing semantics. It's obvious that thus poll intended Mer to mean elven and Orcs are both mer and elves. Just because some cultures have racist ideas of what orcs are does not change the fact that Orcs are as much elves as say, dunmer. For all intents and purposes, Orcs belong in the "Mer" category.

Khajiit are not elves. Not anymore anyways. Orcs are.

Hal · April 2021

Do you prefer playing as human (men), elf (mer), or beastfolk (betmer)?
Since the earlier Elder Scrolls games, I've had an affinity for playing Argonians.

Though the racial skills have me turn to other races sometimes. (Such as Orcs & Woodelves.)
I tended to use bows (or unarmed) in the single player games, but in ESO multiplayer the bow feels... Very pointless...
Not to mention there is no 'Unarmed' skill tree or class for ESO...

(Murdering people for the DBH with a Bow of Woe would be nice... I miss my headshot/one shot/stealth kills with the bow I used to make on NPCs in Oblivion.)

Alternatively, what is your main/preferred category? If you have many main characters what is the average?
Speed playthroughs, & moving from point A to point B as quickly as possible, are my main priorities. (Leaning towards murdering & looting.)

Unfortunately, in ESO, the number of Bretons I have is probably the highest - Since I learned to lean towards Magica builds for DPS (*as a noob who wasn't ready for the squishiness of Highelves. Also, the person who primarily got me into ESO insisted the Bretons were the best).
Bretons made for a sturdy & capable go-to... Though I don't really care for them. I take no joy in playing as them.

While I have a singular Orc nightblade. Which brings me joy.
& Only just recently made (my favorite class) NECROMANCER Argonians. (Finally playing for personal enjoyment more than anything else.)

- - -

Though, I know it'd never happen, I'd prefer to play as an ORCgonian or an ARGorc.
As a necromancer at heart, I find myself considering how FLESH ATRONOCS could probably be composed of different tissues from different corpses.
I consider the idea of a Cursed (NON-HIST-BLESSED) Orc-Gonian abomination, often.

Since Orcs, seem to be the spawn of a once consumed & cursed Elf.
(This indicates to me that previous life forms can change into new types of life forms...)

While Argonians who aren't Hist-bound seem to exist in what could be considered a cursed existence.
(As seen in the Xanmeer DLC, which suggests to me that some Argonians may be born un attached to the Hists & don't require Hists for possible reproduction?? I'm pretty sure by Oblivion there are Argonians who are 'City born'-type. In a way that their family & them have 0 connection to Hists?? )

Plus... Bear lizard Mounts. Need I say more?

- - -

TLDR: Necromancer & I want to play as an ORCgonian. More often than not, I have too many Bretons.

Athan1 · April 2021

Men

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