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Men, Mer, or Betmer?

Athan1
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I feel that it makes a big difference in our gaming experience whether we interact with the world of Tamriel as a human, elf, or beastfolk, as each category has a different mentality that transcends specific racial differences. For example, elves have a general tendency towards superiority, whereas beastfolk have a long history with oppression and slavery (unfortunately). Humans are kind of the middle, sometimes being the oppressors and others the oppressed.

Do you prefer playing as human (men), elf (mer), or beastfolk (betmer)? Alternatively, what is your main/preferred category? If you have many main characters what is the average?

Just to be clear, men are Nords, Cyrods, Bretons, and Redguards; mer are Altmer, Bosmer, Dunmer, and Orsimer; betmer are Khajiit and Saxhleel (Argonians).
Athan Atticus Imperial Templar of Shezarr

Men, Mer, or Betmer? 110 votes

Men
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Mer
47%
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Betmer
27%
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  • LeHarrt91
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    MerMen?
    PS NA
    Have played all classes.
    Warden Main
  • SeaGtGruff
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    Orcs are elves? Ha ha, I bet High Elves aren't too happy about that! :)

    In terms of my characters, I play mostly as Men, with Mer following second, and Betmer following third. But I don't have any strict preferences for, or prohibitions against, any of the races.
    I've fought mudcrabs more fearsome than me!
  • Hapexamendios
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    What's a Cyrod?
  • Athan1
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    Men
    What's a Cyrod?
    Citizens of Cyrodiil, aka Imperials. Just sounds less imperialistic (literally lol)
    Athan Atticus Imperial Templar of Shezarr
  • Cirantille
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    Mer
    Mer
    But I like betmer too
    Anything but human
    I dont want to be a human again in a fantasy world
  • wenchmore420b14_ESO
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    The "Beastfolk" are not descended from the Aldmer.
    The suffix of "Mer" designates Elf ancestry.
    So "Betmer" doesn't really fit.
    Just my 2 drakes...
    Huzzah!

    Also, yes. Orcs are Elves. :)
    Drakon Koryn~Oryndill, Rogue~Mage,- CP ~Doesn't matter any more
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    "Not All Who Wander are Lost"
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  • phaneub17_ESO
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    Tiny Bosmer girl with giant Khajiit dude.
  • B0SSzombie
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    I thought Orsimer/Orcs were also considered Betmer/Beastfolk?
    Edited by B0SSzombie on April 16, 2021 2:07AM
  • Sylvermynx
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    Other (as per normal *sigh*): some of all of the above. I play all races except orc and argonian. I don't differentiate in this game depending on race, I just play the game.

    I mostly play Redguard and Breton for humans though I do have Imperial characters; all the mer races except orc; and khajiit for betmer. I enjoy them all, though Dunmer tend to gripe me a bit and they're really hard to make look right.... The chargen needs help....
  • Wyrd88
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    Men
    BetMen.
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  • emilyhyoyeon
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    Betmer
    Out of my three main characters, two are khajiit and one is an argonian. My other OCs are a mix of men and mer with a couple more khajiit
    IGN @ emilypumpkin, imperial pumpkin seller
    Tullanisse Starborne, altmer battlemage & scholar of the ayleids

    High Priest Eraamine as a houseguest please C:
  • wenchmore420b14_ESO
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    B0SSzombie wrote: »
    I thought Orsimer/Orcs were also considered Betmer/Beastfolk?

    During the Dawn Era, the Orsimer were originally a tribe of Aldmer who followed Trinamac. When Trinamac tried to stop the elves who later became the Chimer, he was defeated/eaten by Boethia and returned as Malacath and all his follwers were transformed into Orcs. (Similar to how the Chimer became the Dunmer).
    Also, Betmer is still not a thing. As said above, Mer denotes Elf ancestry, which beastfolk aren't.
    Huzzah!!! :)
    Edited by wenchmore420b14_ESO on April 16, 2021 2:17AM
    Drakon Koryn~Oryndill, Rogue~Mage,- CP ~Doesn't matter any more
    NA / PC Beta Member since Nov 2013
    GM~Conclave-of-Shadows, EP Social Guild, ~Proud member of: The Wandering Merchants, Phoenix Rising, Imperial Trade Union & Celestials of Nirn
    Sister Guilds with: Coroner's Report, Children of Skyrim, Sunshine Daydream, Tamriel Fisheries, Knights Arcanum and more
    "Not All Who Wander are Lost"
    #MOREHOUSINGSLOTS
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    _Steve Jobs (The Lost Interview)
  • Ratzkifal
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    Mer
    Betmer is the elven name for beastfolk because "mer" means "folk" but is understood to only refer to elves. The beast races of Tamriel are not actually descended from Elves. Some possibly share ancestory with some (referring to Khajiit and Bosmer potentially coming from the Ooze and not Aldmeris), but calling them all "Betmer" is painting in too broad strokes.

    Also not all beast races have been "the oppressed". The Sload for example have pretty much always been oppressors and slavers due to their immense power and amorality.
    Minortaurs went from being not oppressed to still not being oppressed but being met with prejudice to now being still not oppressed but regarded as nothing but animals.
    We know pretty much nothing about the Centaurs of Valenwood yet and judging by the complete lack of Lilmothiit ruins of their civilization, the Argonians were probably oppressing them.
    Dreugh used to rule Tamriel and were pretty much the embodyment of the word "oppressors".
    This Bosmer was tortured to death. There is nothing left to be done.
  • Athan1
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    You are right guys re betmer, I just didn't want to call them beasts (which I guess isn't derogatory). Also the origin of orcs is debatable, but I wouldn't classify them as beastfolk.
    Athan Atticus Imperial Templar of Shezarr
  • Suna_Ye_Sunnabe
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    Mer, all day, everyday. Love them all <3
    Angua Anyammis Ae Sunna
  • Sylvermynx
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    B0SSzombie wrote: »
    I thought Orsimer/Orcs were also considered Betmer/Beastfolk?

    During the Dawn Era, the Orsimer were originally a tribe of Aldmer who followed Trinamac. When Trinamac tried to stop the elves who later became the Chimer, he was defeated/eaten by Boethia and returned as Malacath and all his follwers were transformed into Orcs. (Similar to how the Chimer became the Dunmer).
    Also, Betmer is still not a thing. As said above, Mer denotes Elf ancestry, which beastfolk aren't.
    Huzzah!!! :)

    Well....
    Other theories speak of them being descendants of Aldmeri settlers, proved by the visual similarity of Ohmes and Ohmes-raht to Men and Mer, especially Bosmer. The Khajiiti creation myth suggests the Bosmer and Khajiit to have common ancestors; Azurah having taken the forest people that were torn between the shape of beast and man and given them the many shapes of the Khajiit.

    So there's some potential there for discussion.

    https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Khajiit#History
    Edited by Sylvermynx on April 16, 2021 2:28AM
  • Kalik_Gold
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    Men
    Check my roster - Redguards, Bretons, Nords and Imperials.

    I do want an Argonian but have not created one.
    Main: (PvP & PvE)
    Ras Kalik a Redguard Templar, the Vestige

    PvP:
    Aurik Siet'ka a Redguard Necromancer
    Cacique the Sage of Ius a Redguard Warden
    Jux Blackheart a Redguard Nightblade
    Goliath of Hammerfell a Redguard Dragonknight
    Kaotik Von Dae'mon a Redguard* Sorcerer

    PvP: (Specialty)
    Tyrus Septim an Imperial Lycan Sorcerer
    Tsar af-Bomba a Redguard Vampiric Nightblade (Bomber)
    Movárth Piquine a Nord Vampiric Necromancer
    Uri Ice-Heart the Twin a Nord Vampiric Warden
    Voa a Priest of Sep a Redguard* Necromancer

    PvE:
    Cinan Tharn an Imperial Dragonknight (Tank)
    Bates Vesuius of Dawnstar an Imperial Dragonknight (Damage)
    Herzog Zwei the Genesis an Akavari* Templar (Healer)
    Tav'i at-Shinji a Redguard** Warden (One-Bar)
    Lucky Hunch the Gambler - a Redguard Nightblade (Thief)

    Leveling...
    Two-Big-Horns an Argonian Arcanist
    Styx of Akatosh a Goblin* Arcanist
    Zenovia at-Tura a Redguard** Sorcerer
    Yesi af-Kalik a Redguard Templar
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    Passives of another race used. (RP)
    *Breton
    **Imperial




    __________________________Backstories:_________________________

    Ras Kalik the Vestige, a renown Redguard warrior; He has been blessed to save Tamriel from Molag Bal’s destructive Planemeld while reuniting the Five Companions. His further accomplishments after defeating Molag Bal, has been to stop the destruction of Morrowind, the Clockwork City, return order to the isle of Summerset and create a new king in Wrothgar and a queen in Elsywer. These events have made him a living legend and continue to lead him into new adventures throughout Tamriel, as well as into the hearts of many ladies including the Elf Queen, Aryenn. Over many years of adventurous travels, Ras Kalik had become a loner, until he re-visited his homeland of Alik'r.

    Alik'r and it's cities were overrun by the undead Ra-Netu and therefore he made an allegiance with Alik'r's own Ash'abah tribe. These Ash'abah with his help, cleansed the city of Sentinel in Alik'r desert and it's surrounding areas of the undead brought to life by the Withered Hand. After rescuing Sentinel from the undead zombies, King Fahara’jad’s personal bodyguard the Goliath of Hammerfell, who was given this name by Imperials in the region; was asked to assist the tribe after learning of the defeat of the Withered Hand to the Ash'abah. Kalik promised Goliath he would task him with fighting living enemies on the battlefield if he so desired. Goliath being a Yokudan warrior wields a massive sword in respect to the Ansei, a gift given by the Imperial, Cinan Tharn. Not many soldiers are able to wield double two handed weapons, but Goliath loves to get up and personal in a fight, so he also carries a giant maul, both weapons laced with magical flames.

    Jux Blackheart is a master thief that masquerades as a Bard at the Sisters of the Sands inn, with his younger sidekick Lucky Hunch for pilfering and gambling during this time. Jux was known to infiltrate any towns bank vault he came across and even delved into Ayelid ruins without detection. Kalik can vividly recall the night he met the famed thief. Jux found himself rummaging thru a slightly inebriated Kalik’s pocket for too long, on a full-mooned night and because of his greed and the glimmer of his golden armor in the moonlight. He lost his left pinky fingertip as a lesson! But in return, he gained a new friend, as it was his first time since a child being caught red-handed...

    Upon arrival back in the Alik'r after many moons of adventuring, Ras Kalik ventures to Bergama. Visiting The Winking Jackal, he runs into Jux Blackheart, who introduces him to the coin game Crowns vs Forebearers (Heads vs Tails) and Golden Dwemer (RBG).... Jux constantly takes gold from the unfortunate thru theft or gambling, his biggest gambling victim is actually his partner in crime known as Lucky Hunch the Gambler. Lucky doesn't mind losing any gold coins to Jux... as Jux saved him from Altmer slavers in Summerset, by stealing a key and sending him on a boat to the mainland years prior. Lucky spent years in slavery with Khajiits in Summerset and picked up the art of subterfuge, using illusion magic disguises and stealing there.

    Kaotik Von’Daemon an outcast, and a half-caste between a Breton mother and a Redguard father. Kaotik become a pariah due to his conjuration of Daedra pets. He was taught healing magic during his childhood years by his Breton mother. His father due to Redguard customs exiled him from the desert, sending him by wagon caravan to be a soldier in the war in Cyrodiil. He happened to meet Kalik while traveling from Alik'r, during this long caravan ride the caravan he was in was ambushed in Bangkorai by a group of bandits. Kalik by chance was also traveling thru this area on his Auridon Warhorse (which was bestowed to him by his friend, Darien Gautier). During this ambush, Kalik was able to rescue five hostages from the bandits. Kaotik was the first rescued, and Ras Kalik also recruited him to be in the Ash'abah tribe. These core Ash'abah tribesmen may never be seen together in travel as they partake in their own adventures but they always know what each other is doing; as they frequent a hideout in northern Bankorai. Their hideout an old Orc castle ruin, is kept watch by Nuzhimeh and she passes messages written between them, and frequently they also enjoy her company and her bed.

    The other men rescued were a Dunmer banker, an Imperial mercenary and two other soldiers, an Imperial and a Breton Knight, stating proudly he was an Akavir descendent. One of the Imperials, Cinan, claimed to be related to Abnur Tharn the Battlemage of the Imperial Elder Council (One of Ras Kalik's mentors in the Five Companions). Cinan Tharn was really Abnur's drunkard treasure hunting illegitimate son. He was caught smuggling artifacts out of the Ayleid ruins in Cyrodiil and the elder of the two Imperials was Tyrus Septim a retired Imperial navy battle-mage (now a Lycan mercenary living in the city of Rimmen) and guard to the Tharn family. As much as Abnur Tharn hated his half-sister Euraxia, he dislikes his bas†ard son Cinan more. Tyrus now a ruffian and privateer had been paid by Abnur Tharn to watch over Cinan as much as possible. Cinan Tharn a drunkard, loves to drink at least a quarter barrel of Nord mead before he raids various delves and dungeons for relics to sell on the black market. Cinan also plans to one day, run an illegal gambling ring... which he thinks will net him more gold for his wares.

    The Dunmer captive shackled to the Imperials looked familiar to Kalik from his time in Morrowind.... and he recognized him as Tythis Andromo a House Telvanni slave-owner and banker from Vvardenfell. During a rough interrogation to Tythis, Ras Kalik learnt why the bandits accosted him. The racist Dunmer was providing slaves as soldiers for the Three Banner War. The bandits were trying to negotiate a lucrative ransom for Andromo and the Imperials.... Kalik did not need any of this gold and he could never set Tythis free as he did with the two Imperial soldiers. His past involvement with slavery and war crimes, made Kalik's blood boil. He chose not to execute Tythis, as he figured the worse punishment for this former rich and opulent slave owner, is to now be an imprisoned servant for Ras Kalik and the tribe.

    Herzog Zwei the Genesis a reknown Imperial/Akavirri battle-mage. His roots going back to Akavir through his mother’s bloodline. (His mother is descended from the Akaviri, through Versidue-Shae, and his Imperial father met her in Hakoshae, while traveling) Herzog earned the nickname "the Genesis" from his father as a child, as he was his mother's first born child, and last, as she tragically died in child-birth.

    Herzog was seeking to purchase an artifact from Cinan Tharn, before their capture and was meeting Tyrus while in Rimmen, who introduced him to Cinan. This artifact being the Ayelid artifact; the sword Sinweaver. After their rescue and the exchange of gold to Cinan for the sword he decided to slip away before Ras Kalik could question who he was, and why the Akavir descendant really wanted that sword. Herzog was headed to Nagastani — An Ayleid ruin in eastern Cyrodiil. He had read in scrolls that the Sword would give him magical powers to meet his mothers spirit, if he performed an Ayleid ritual at an old shrine hidden there. Equipped with the artifact sword, he was off to start his own adventure but Ras Kalik, did indeed notice the sword however and instead sent a letter to Jux Blackheart (whom also was interested in Ayleid treasures), to attempt to find Herzog and acquire the sword. (*Azani Blackheart in Elder Scroll's Oblivion is Jux's descendant some 747 years later)

    And so the Redguard, Imperial and Akaviri men parted ways ... While Ras Kalik went off to Elsweyr to encounter the latest threat to Tamriel, with Abnur Tharn and Sai Sahan - - DRAGONS!! Little did Ras Kalik know a few people were awaiting him in Senchal besides Sai. A necromancer survived his attack on the Withered Hand, while in Alik'r. The necromancer known as Auriek Siet'ka is also following him to the land of the Khajiits and Cacique the Sage of Ius a Shaman mystic who has become attuned spiritually with Tu'whacca (a Redguard God) and Ius (the Animal God), after being burned severely by the escaped dragons in Elsywer, is awaiting his arrival also. Aurik is a soldier of the Daggerfall Covenant that was introduced to necromancy while in the military, even though this magicka art is not spoken of openly by most of the Military leaders. He came to Alik'r and worked with the Withered Hand before Ras Kalik intervened on their plans. After the defeat of the Withered Hand, he aligned with the Worm Cult, and is constantly adapting and perfecting his necromantic arts.

    After his journey to Rimmen, Kalik heads south to Senchal, in the southern regions of Elyswer. This new adventure will also put him on a path to meet a strange Redguard man. The stranger which was infected with an untreated Peyrite disease and also was the exiled from the Order of the New Moon cult, due to his sickness. He originally joined the cult to worship Laatvulon, the green dragon, mistakenly thinking it was the Daedric prince Peyrite. This confused and suffering cultist is known as Tsar al-Bomba and he is on a path to spread the disease. He was originally infected in Orccrest while recruiting members there. Can Ras Kalik and the shaman Cacique cure this poor soul, only time will tell. Little does Tsar al-Bomba know, that his infection is tied to Vampirism, and eventually the desire for blood will take over his mind. Senchal also offers Kalik his latest love interest... Aeliah. Whom he fondly led thru battles with the Dragonguard.

    After the trek thru the heat, tropical and desert climate of Northern and Southern Elyswer, Ras Kalik heads north to the cold mountain range of Skyrim. His companion friend Lyris beckons for him with a letter sent by crow...

    Movárth Piquine - a former vampire hunter (now infected), within the Fighter's Guild (and a secretive necromancer) was in Skyrim working with the Morthaal Guard. On a patrol mission he was caught in Frewien's ice curse outside of Morthaal with the frozen undead. Movárth's vampiric infection kept him from becoming an undead minion to the curse. He was able to use necromantic ice-magic to encase himself safely until he was freed with Freiwen, when the Vestige Ras Kalik broke the curse.

    Uri Ice-Heart - brother of Urfon Ice-Heart. The twin sons of Atli and Oljourn Ice-Heart. The Ice-Heart family are originally from Markarth but now reside on the Jerall Mountain range near Cyrodiil, with their younger sister Araki. The twins had joined the Winterborn Reachmen while living in Markarth. Urfon pushed west to Orsinium with the Winterborn Clan, leaving his family behind. Uri stayed behind with his parents and sister to live in the family cabin for safety, avoiding the Vampire plague infiltrating the Reach. After news reaches him and he hears of Urfon's death... Uri leaves and heads home and is seeking vengeance. Meanwhile, his sister has also moved on to Windhelm to join the Fighter's guild. He will visit his sister, once before going to seek vengeance and she will craft him armor mixed with ice, called Stalhrim armor. Uri fearing death, after his brother's passing, falls victim to the convincing talk of Movárth at a Nordic tavern, and will also becomes a vampire.

    {time moves forward through the hour-glass}
    PS5/NA - Ras Kalik a Redguard Templar - Daggerfall Covenant • 1550+ Champion
    Returning player - 2017-2022, back in 25'
  • Ratzkifal
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    Athan1 wrote: »
    You are right guys re betmer, I just didn't want to call them beasts (which I guess isn't derogatory). Also the origin of orcs is debatable, but I wouldn't classify them as beastfolk.

    The origin of Orcs is not really debatable though. The accounts of Topal the Pilot are a lot more questionable, especially considering that "cursed folk" could have been referring to other creatures before the Orcs came around and took that name for themselves. They are definitely mer, although mainstream mer culture rejects them and they are called "pig children" by some. So they have the status of a beast race even though they technically aren't one.
    This Bosmer was tortured to death. There is nothing left to be done.
  • lihentian
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    you should have change title to mer, man or merman
  • ealdwin
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    The "Beastfolk" are not descended from the Aldmer.
    The suffix of "Mer" designates Elf ancestry.
    So "Betmer" doesn't really fit.
    Just my 2 drakes...
    Huzzah!

    Also, yes. Orcs are Elves. :)

    (Edit: Much of what I say was said before, just took me a bit longer to type.)

    Mer just means "folk" in Aldmeris.

    Betmer just means "Beast Folk", similar to how Aldmer means "First or Elder Folk" and Orsimer means "Pariah or Cursed Folk". While the -mer suffix is indeed used typically to distinguish those races who were descended from the original Aldmer, that is because those terms have largely found their way in the usual vernacular of common Tamrielic. Though, you will find among the races of men the preferred usage of "___ Elf" over "___-mer".

    Which comes to an interesting point, that there are two instances of "Orsimer" in the lore, technically. See, when Topal the Pilot wrote of his journey around the coastline of Tamriel, he wrote of an encounter with "Orsimer", or in common Tamrielic "Orcs" along the southern coast of High Rock. But, this predates the Aldmer-Orsimer transition which occurred around the same time when Veloth and his followers left the Summerset Isles. (Also worth note, that the mention of "Orc" depicts a far more savage race than the Aldmer-Orsimer, more akin to Goblins or Ogres). When one considers that the word that Topal used—"Orsimer"—means "Cursed Folk" and was not yet attached to the Aldmer-Orsimer, then any confusion can be cleared up. The association of "-mer" and "folk" is a more recent development, and only because the "-mer" terms are not used in Tamrielic except when referring to the Aldmer-descent races. If any writers are still using Aldmeris, then without a doubt, they would be using the terms "Orsimer" to refer to all goblin-ken (Aldmer-Orsimer, goblins, riekr, riekling, ogre, gremlin) and "Betmer to refer to all beastfolk (Khajiit, Argonian, Lilmothiiit, Imga).
    Edited by ealdwin on April 16, 2021 2:54AM
  • Ratzkifal
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    Sylvermynx wrote: »
    B0SSzombie wrote: »
    I thought Orsimer/Orcs were also considered Betmer/Beastfolk?

    During the Dawn Era, the Orsimer were originally a tribe of Aldmer who followed Trinamac. When Trinamac tried to stop the elves who later became the Chimer, he was defeated/eaten by Boethia and returned as Malacath and all his follwers were transformed into Orcs. (Similar to how the Chimer became the Dunmer).
    Also, Betmer is still not a thing. As said above, Mer denotes Elf ancestry, which beastfolk aren't.
    Huzzah!!! :)

    Well....
    Other theories speak of them being descendants of Aldmeri settlers, proved by the visual similarity of Ohmes and Ohmes-raht to Men and Mer, especially Bosmer. The Khajiiti creation myth suggests the Bosmer and Khajiit to have common ancestors; Azurah having taken the forest people that were torn between the shape of beast and man and given them the many shapes of the Khajiit.

    So there's some potential there for discussion.

    https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Khajiit#History

    Beastfolk refers to more than just Khajiit though and the Argonians definitely do not have elven ancestory. And the Khajiit probably do not have elven ancestory either, rather the Bosmer are technically a beast race just like them. Both Bosmer and Khajiit speak of "the Ooze" as their origin. Bosmer were given shape by Y'ffre and the Khajiit by Azura. That they come from Aldmer settlers sounds very much like Altmer propaganda to create a common mythos with their Dominion allies - not an uncommon thing to do actually.
    So while there potential for a discussion, that discussion has nothing to do with "betmer" or this thread anymore.
    This Bosmer was tortured to death. There is nothing left to be done.
  • Bradyfjord
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    Dunmer are the best.

    The only race/species I don't like to play in Elder Scrolls/ESO is Khajiit. I'm not a cat person, but I have tried with a variety of alts.
  • VaranisArano
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    I mostly play Dunmer and Altmer, with a soft spot for Imperials.
  • confettibae
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    How are we talking about Orc creation lore without the best part? Trinimac was not just eaten by Boethia, he was digested and defecated out. Orcs split from the Mer after the followers of Trinimac rubbed this magic poop all over themselves. Magic poop y’all.
  • Vlad9425
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    Elves are very interesting in the Elder Scrolls universe.
  • Araneae6537
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    Elves, definitely. I do also have several Khajiit and a human character, but elves are always my favorites.
  • newtinmpls
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    Ratzkifal wrote: »
    Betmer is the elven name for beastfolk because "mer" means "folk" but is understood to only refer to elves. The beast races of Tamriel are not actually descended from Elves. Some possibly share ancestory with some (referring to Khajiit and Bosmer potentially coming from the Ooze and not Aldmeris), but calling them all "Betmer" is painting in too broad strokes..

    And the whole Argonians/Hist thing....
    Tenesi Faryon of Telvanni - Dunmer Sorceress who deliberately sought sacrifice into Cold Harbor to rescue her beloved.
    Hisa Ni Caemaire - Altmer Sorceress, member of the Order Draconis and Adept of the House of Dibella.
    Broken Branch Toothmaul - goblin (for my goblin characters, I use either orsimer or bosmer templates) Templar, member of the Order Draconis and persistently unskilled pickpocket
    Mol gro Durga - Orsimer Socerer/Battlemage who died the first time when the Nibenay Valley chapterhouse of the Order Draconis was destroyed, then went back to Cold Harbor to rescue his second/partner who was still captive. He overestimated his resistance to the hopelessness of Oblivion, about to give up, and looked up to see the golden glow of atherius surrounding a beautiful young woman who extended her hand to him and said "I can help you". He carried Fianna Kingsley out of Cold Harbor on his shoulder. He carried Alvard Stower under one arm. He also irritated the Prophet who had intended the portal for only Mol and Lyris.
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    Order Draconis - well c'mon there has to be some explanation for all those dragon tattoos.
    House of Dibella - If you have ever seen or read "Memoirs of a Geisha" that's just the beginning...
    Nibenay Valley Chapterhouse - Where now stands only desolate ground and a dolmen there once was a thriving community supporting one of the major chapterhouses of the Order Draconis
  • ArchMikem
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    My first character in my first Elder Scrolls game was Khajiit. Since then, it's ALWAYS been Khajiit. Call me a Furry, I call them fascinating. I have a couple Argonians and one Dunmer too, but the characters I play the most are all Khajiit, and I play them like they're people in the game world. People of Elsweyr, agents of Queen Khamira. My Nightblade and Dragonknight wears outfit styles adorned with the Moons.
    CP2,100 Master Explorer - AvA One Star General - Console Peasant - Khajiiti Aficionado - The Clan
    Quest Objective: OMG Go Talk To That Kitty!
  • Ryuvain
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    The only races I feel comfortable playing. Don't play any of the other races, too used to having claws.
    That one khajiit obsessed with werewolf behemoth and vampire lord. Lady Thorn is bae, dont @ me.
    Werewolf behemoth=vampire lord>blood scion>werewolf>vampire.
  • Athan1
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    Fun minigame: check the avatars of voters in this poll.
    Men: mostly human faces/emblems
    Mer: elven faces/emblems
    Betmer: Cat and monster avatars

    Checks out.
    Athan Atticus Imperial Templar of Shezarr
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