Crate haters rejoice!

zaria · April 2021

Xorxe wrote: »

If items will be priced fairly then I'll enjoy it, but I doubt it. More like 10hrs of grind for some small cosmetics. I like to be wrong, though :-) Im more afraid about this daily system, I hope its non-intrusive (not like Nightwave in WF, where I quit because of it). Not great, not terrible, we'll see...

Well i'm mostly interested in the 16 and 40 gem cosmetic so earning a just a few gems will be useful for me.
Still if its to much of an grind I don't bother.

Wolfpaw · April 2021

F2p console next?

TequilaFire · April 2021

It is buy to play on console just as PC.
Your PSN and Live fees are for access to the respective multiplayer networks and are controlled by Sony and Microsoft.
Microsoft has the advantage of the game pass but you still pay for that.

Hurbster · April 2021

Has anyone asked if Eso + players get more?

Vlad9425 · April 2021

Well done ZOS this is a step in the right direction. I’d still like the ability to buy all the Crate items directly with crowns though without having to gamble for them but hopefully this system isn’t too grindy.

KovalskyNestor · April 2021

The grind will be real, but at least I won't have to watch twitch to get gems anymore and actually play the game

Danikat · April 2021

lillybit wrote: »

Danikat wrote: »

Daraklus wrote: »

I see this as a good thing, something that could give people a chance to get stuff without spending exorbitant amounts of money via gamblecrates in order to get things.

Now I would like to better understand people who have a problem with this, because I don't see the hard downside to this.

I don't see a downside to it either. The worst case scenario I can see is it's worthless because endeavours are too grindy/difficult/time consuming to be worth completing, most of the rewards aren't worth having and the crown crate items are so expensive in the new currency that it's unrealistic to try to get any before the crates change over.

But in that case players can simply ignore the system and carry on as they did before. You don't gain anything, but it's not taking anything away either. You might occasionally complete an endeavour without even trying because it happens to coincide with what you're doing anyway and then you get some unexpected free stuff, otherwise the game is the same as before.

Edit: I suppose if you're opposed to crown crates and don't think this will be a good alternative one downside is that having this system makes it less likely they'll remove the crates entirely or offer another alternative.

Not true, it says in the article that they're automatically active and collect automatically once they're completed - you can literally ignore them and still profit.

Maybe it wasn't the best wording but I meant they won't gain anything in the sense that they won't have a new system to play with or a viable alternative to buying crown crates. It'll be like the situation I was in when they added Battlegrounds - I don't want to do them so I ignore them and effectively for me Morrowind had 1 less feature, but the fact that they do exist doesn't cause me any problems.

Literally the next sentence after the one you put in bold I acknowledged that people who don't want to use this system might still get rewards from it.

lillybit · April 2021

Danikat wrote: »

lillybit wrote: »

Danikat wrote: »

Daraklus wrote: »

I see this as a good thing, something that could give people a chance to get stuff without spending exorbitant amounts of money via gamblecrates in order to get things.

Now I would like to better understand people who have a problem with this, because I don't see the hard downside to this.

I don't see a downside to it either. The worst case scenario I can see is it's worthless because endeavours are too grindy/difficult/time consuming to be worth completing, most of the rewards aren't worth having and the crown crate items are so expensive in the new currency that it's unrealistic to try to get any before the crates change over.

But in that case players can simply ignore the system and carry on as they did before. You don't gain anything, but it's not taking anything away either. You might occasionally complete an endeavour without even trying because it happens to coincide with what you're doing anyway and then you get some unexpected free stuff, otherwise the game is the same as before.

Edit: I suppose if you're opposed to crown crates and don't think this will be a good alternative one downside is that having this system makes it less likely they'll remove the crates entirely or offer another alternative.

Not true, it says in the article that they're automatically active and collect automatically once they're completed - you can literally ignore them and still profit.

Maybe it wasn't the best wording but I meant they won't gain anything in the sense that they won't have a new system to play with or a viable alternative to buying crown crates. It'll be like the situation I was in when they added Battlegrounds - I don't want to do them so I ignore them and effectively for me Morrowind had 1 less feature, but the fact that they do exist doesn't cause me any problems.

Literally the next sentence after the one you put in bold I acknowledged that people who don't want to use this system might still get rewards from it.

Sorry I missed that bit, I'm a bit distracted today!

EdmondDontes · April 2021

Mythreindeer wrote: »

Keeps players engaged and likely helps to skirt EU anti gambling regs.

Nice move, no downsides.

Downside is the focus is on something other than performance, which is tanking more and more every day it seems.

Sylvermynx · April 2021

Well, I don't want it all dumped into my quest log automatically/arbitrarily - it should be available on a separate daily quest board.

The only thing I'd really be interested in doing is what I'm doing now - daily writs (or crafting other stuff if they add something else, and it's something my mains know how to do, the motif for etc.), farming nodes, and zone quest content. Of course, if the farming nodes has to get turned in, well - I'd rather keep my stuff thanks. And if the "crafting items" turns out to want to use up all my furnishing mats, like the New Life Charity writs do.... ugh.

I go out of my way not to have to kill "x number" of mobs, or kill my way across zones. And I wonder what the "many many more" is.

I actually like the crates. Guess I'll buy a whole flock of the Wild Hunt ones.... April and May are going to be a tad bit expensive.

molecule · April 2021

The people who buy crown crates per season will continue to, this is throwing a crumb to the ones you never buy crates.

Zos will have worked out a system that doesn't impact their income from crates - they are not stupid financially.

My prediction will be around 5 months daily grinding the seals to have enough for an Apex.

And then, you can only choose from the current crown crate selection, so could be another 6 months for the actual Apex you want to turn up.

FrancisCrawford · April 2021

My concern is whether there will be a stable, predictable equivalency between seals and gems, or whether seal prices for items are going to bounce around all over the place.

If it's the former, then this is good to neutral for everybody. If it's the latter, there could be considerable anger and backlash.

blkjag · April 2021

I just want the game to work. Pvp to run smoothly, no banker bugs, gear swapping issues and known issues to the fixed. Not more crap.

Tharonil · April 2021

I have to be honest. With the announcement of companions i thought I can't get any better. Now we will get crown crates without buying and choose our favorite login music!!!
I almost forgot the console enhanced update.

Can't wait for june to come

Dark_Lord_Kuro · April 2021

TequilaFire wrote: »

Hallothiel wrote: »

TequilaFire wrote: »

jircris11 wrote: »

Seeing all the negative here makes me laugh. These are the same Ppl who complain about not being able to farm loot boxes now complaining that an Unknown rate will be too low lol.

You did see the no gems conversion right?
I have gotten most of my mounts from saving gems.

But why would you buy crate items you didn’t want, when you just save the Seals of Whatever for items you do?

You will still get the junk potion seals and stuff that you used to be able to turn into crown gems.
You don't think you are only going to get good seals do you? So now you destroy those instead of getting gems for them.
There is a reason they made that the last sentence in the article.

Seal are a account wide currency

Michae · April 2021

Nice idea. I'll hold my judgement till I see how's it implemented but it's about time to have a way to get some of those items by playing the game.

Ratzkifal · April 2021

I honestly can't believe they did it. Who would have thought that the Microsoft takeover would make ZOS less greedy?
Definitely leaning more towards buying Blackwood now than waiting to win it in a giveaway.

dcam86b14_ESO · April 2021

Nisekev wrote: »

Gee, what a great thing - they're introducing mind-numbing grind alternative to gambling. Amazing how shamelessly they introduce f2p mechanics into a fully priced game that has separately sold DLCs, microtransactions and premium subscription.

The game has not been full price since like 2017 and if you're paying full price you have not done any research. There are many ways a player can acquire all DLC's without spending real-world money. [snip]

[edited to remove baiting comments]

Kidgangster101 · April 2021

allhailskippy wrote: »

Nisekev wrote: »

Gee, what a great thing - they're introducing mind-numbing grind alternative to gambling. Amazing how shamelessly they introduce f2p mechanics into a fully priced game that has separately sold DLCs, microtransactions and premium subscription.

Just proof that you can't please all people all the time.

Well anytime they worry more about cash grabs from people rather than I do t know....... Actually fixing bugs/exploits/major glitches just proves their only motive........

ArchangelIsraphel · April 2021

TequilaFire wrote: »

jircris11 wrote: »

Seeing all the negative here makes me laugh. These are the same Ppl who complain about not being able to farm loot boxes now complaining that an Unknown rate will be too low lol.

You did see the no gems conversion right?
I have gotten most of my mounts from saving gems.

The gems aren't going away- you just can't convert items obtained with seals to gems.

Chilly-McFreeze · April 2021

Nice. I am delighted to see this happen.

However, I wonder why they do this. Could it be to somehow bypass some laws on gambling or the likes? I mean with ZOS in-your-face crownstore attitude this is a rather unexpected move.

allhailskippy · April 2021

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

Nice. I am delighted to see this happen.

However, I wonder why they do this. Could it be to somehow bypass some laws on gambling or the likes? I mean with ZOS in-your-face crownstore attitude this is a rather unexpected move.

Definitely unexpected. And yeah, I expect they're trying to get ahead of some more restrictive gambling laws. But regardless of motive, I think this will (hopefully) be a good thing for players.

Chaos2088 · April 2021

Ok, before I would just ignore crates, due to the gamble aspect just left them alone -fingers in ears la la la moment- now they will have my attention.

Red_Feather · April 2021

That is very cool.

I hope the endeavors have a lot of variety and help to remind players how much stuff there is in teh game!

PizzaCat82 · April 2021

It'll be great to have a ton banked in case an older season drops but I wont be using them to get whats in current crates.

Tommy_The_Gun · April 2021

It is nice. Very nice...

But...

Is it just me, or is it done in preparation to avoid any "loot box are gambling" issues that may arise in the future as more & more countries across the world are updating their laws to technology ?

It may be good, but also annoying as it will create other "daily job" syndrome... and we still 24H long days, we are not getting more time...

Abelon · April 2021

Blackwood sounds great, the endeavors system sounds even better. I am surprised myself, but I think this is the most I've ever been excited about a new chapter.

It will surely be a grind to get those sweet apex mounts... Months potentially, but any grind is a thousand times better than pure (and very very expensive) gambling. Also, no cap on seals? Wow, ZOS, you have really outdone yourselves this time. I am serious, this sounds so customer friendly that I can hardly believe what I'm reading. June can't come fast enough.

noneatza · April 2021

Why so mad ? It's free [snip] you didn't have a chance at getting before, chances are most people will just play the game normally and gain the seals passively through their activities.

[snip] It's a decent chance that currently has absolutely no harm in it.

[Edited to remove profanity and bait]

Cryptor · April 2021

I really don't like the fact that a game I purchased, subscribed to and repeatedly purchased full priced DLCs for every year still manages to have a cash shop, it's nice there is an alternative for those who would rather grind than spend cash.

RedMuse · April 2021

allhailskippy wrote: »

Nisekev wrote: »

Gee, what a great thing - they're introducing mind-numbing grind alternative to gambling. Amazing how shamelessly they introduce f2p mechanics into a fully priced game that has separately sold DLCs, microtransactions and premium subscription.

Just proof that you can't please all people all the time.

Lol, ain't that the truth.

I admit I have my skepticism both about the reasons for this and how it'll be implemented, but really.