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Did ZOS stealth nerf simple chests?
Madhojo
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I have the Treasure Hunter champion skill on and I have noticed a huge increase in simple chests not giving set items. Im wondering if others are seeing the same thing.
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ArcVelarian✭✭✭✭✭Gold and Items from simple chests have been nerfed in general. Pretty sure it's intended for Treasure Hunter to make up the difference and then some when it comes to items.
Murphy's Law of PvP : If it can be abused and or exploited, it will be abused and or exploited.3 -
Belegnole✭✭✭✭✭From what I have seen they nerfed all drops. That of course is just from casual observation. I would agree that it is directly tied to the CP changes.11 -
SirAndy✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Same here, seems like a large step backwards, even with all the CP points spent and slotted.
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Athan1✭✭✭✭✭
✭So the CP were introduced, but every aspect related to them was nerfed? Do we now need to spend CP to get the bonuses we previously had for free?Athan Atticus Imperial Templar of Shezarr20 -
Sambucca1973✭✭✭Just another data point. I’ve noticed simple chests giving less loot (often only two items) and nothing better than blue level.
The one possible offset is I seem to be getting more treasure maps from simple chests.
That is with both the Treasure Hunter and Master Gatherer passives both maxed out and slotted.1 -
Grizzbeorn✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭I haven't found set items in Simple Chests for a very long time; if ever.
I can't even recall finding them in Intermediate Chests.
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DreadDaedroth✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes. They nerfed chests rewards for no reasons aiaide the silly slottable champion points.10 -
Sylvermynx✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭So the CP were introduced, but every aspect related to them was nerfed? Do we now need to spend CP to get the bonuses we previously had for free?
Pretty much, yes.
To the question in the OP: I have treasure hunter on various lower levels; for instance, a level 23 warden who's currently almost level 10 in antiquities. Today I had him out, scrying and digging; he found 1 Intermediate chest, from which he got a blue Witchman's Bow; and 4 Simple chests, from which he got a blue Defiler's Belt, blue Defiler's ring, green Gryphon's Arm Cops, and green Shield of Draugr Heritage. So my experience is that it's better than it was before treasure hunter equippable.
I don't remember how many chests or what was in them the last time he was out "scavenging".... that was last week sometime.
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Belegnole✭✭✭✭✭My question would be. What do new players do if one of the better places to get gear drops disappears unless you have enough CP?0
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Sylvermynx✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭My question would be. What do new players do if one of the better places to get gear drops disappears unless you have enough CP?
What I'm doing with my just over 200 CP and just over 100 CP accounts on PC EU - hoping they actually get something from lower level chests, or hoping they stumble over higher level ones; or doing quests in areas where the zone MQ offers a good set piece or so.
And for me I can also "backfill" with stuff in the bank; I've had a lot of gear for a couple of years now - and since transmute crystals are few and far between for me (don't do dungeons) I didn't get rid of it when the sticker book happened.
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Kwoung✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭My question would be. What do new players do if one of the better places to get gear drops disappears unless you have enough CP?
Not sure what you mean? The Treasure Hunter passive even under the old system required a considerable amount of CP, what disappeared?
As for the folks above, did you remember to slot the new TH skill after buying it, it is no longer a passive, you have to have it slotted. I have not noticed any decrease in drop rates, seems the same as before for me. Meticulous Disassembly though, they definitely nerfed the return rate on extraction and unless you buy the new skill, your returns are WAY less than what they used to normally be. They made it look like it was going to help and give you more, but seems like just another buy it to get back to where you were before without it skill IMHO.Edited by Kwoung on April 7, 2021 9:01PM4 -
Merforum✭✭✭✭✭I did notice that in a lot of dungeons where I would get a set item nearly every time on a simple chest, with the new 'treasure hunter' slotted I do NOT seem to get set items as much. But one benefit is treasure maps, where as I would never get a set item before, I almost always get at least 1 green set item now. In reality it is almost worse because I can buy these in guild trader but dungeon sets I can not, so filling up my sticker books took a slight hit. Although doing 2-13 normal random dungeons a day I'm getting enough pieces to not worry about a few chests.
I don't think the changes to CP and overall have been bad, but I do think there is evidence of stealth nerfing a bunch of stuff. For instance, one day I can run like the wind, then the next day I can only run fast when I put points into sprinting. Same thing with horse speed, right after they added gallop to assault passive horse was faster then a few days/weeks later it was slow again. Also the writ station one day gives 44K XP then the next gives only 11K with 100% XP boost. They appear to be tweaking many values on daily/weekly basis with no explanations.
BTW 'meticulous disassembly' and the one that gives inspiration appear to not do anything I can see. Luckily the normal crafting passives seem to still work, hopefully they don't break those.2 -
RealLoveBVB✭✭✭✭✭
✭I've noticed a similar thing, just with intermediate chests (which I got used to get a safe set piece in it). Even made a bugreport there: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/566893/no-set-item-in-chests-veteran-dungeon
But learned, that you need to have treasure hunter perk active the whole time to receive a guaranteed set item.
Conclusion: Green tree is still the most annoying and flowkilling feature ingame.10 -
Jeremy✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I have the Treasure Hunter champion skill on and I have noticed a huge increase in simple chests not giving set items. Im wondering if others are seeing the same thing.
Probably. Because it lines up with their approach to "progression" generally, which usually includes taking a step backwards before adding a new step forwards. So they nerf chests then add a new way to improve chests, thus giving the illusion of advancement when the truth is you're just working toward what you had previously already attained. It's a strategy they use throughout the gameplay. I find it maddening at times, and akin to the hamster wheel analogy.7 -
phileunderx2✭✭✭✭✭
✭I seem to be getting more set items in simple chests than before the change in cp. So idk. Lol1 -
SidraWillowsky✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭I farmed chests in Deshaan earlier today and noticed the same thing! I had to triple-check that my Treasure Hunter passive was slotted (it was).
I got ZERO set items from the 30 or so simple chests that I opened, and only two from the 15 intermediate. Most *intermediate* were just a generic setless item, a soul gem or glyph, and a style mat. Prior to U29 I almost always got a set piece from intermediate.
I found two advanced chests and they also contained crap.
EDIT: I am suspicious of the slottable perks in general. I slot Cutpurse's for my pickpocketers, and it seems like an utter crapshoot regardless. I'm not convinced the slottables are working correctly.Edited by SidraWillowsky on April 7, 2021 10:19PM9 -
Kwoung✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭SidraWillowsky wrote: »I farmed chests in Deshaan earlier today and noticed the same thing! I had to triple-check that my Treasure Hunter passive was slotted (it was).
I got ZERO set items from the 30 or so simple chests that I opened, and only two from the 15 intermediate. Most *intermediate* were just a generic setless item, a soul gem or glyph, and a style mat. Prior to U29 I almost always got a set piece from intermediate.
I found two advanced chests and they also contained crap.
EDIT: I am suspicious of the slottable perks in general. I slot Cutpurse's for my pickpocketers, and it seems like an utter crapshoot regardless. I'm not convinced the slottables are working correctly.
Very high chance of it being a bug then. One of my friends who pretty much lives to farm chests dumped 3 MS staves, most of the armor pieces and numerous other MS weapons in our guild bank yesterday from his hour or two of farming Deeshan. He also scored a ton of spinners gear an hour later farming for his Pale Order lead.1 -
heaven13✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭I've noticed this even with master chests; even submitted a bug report for it.
Prior to CP 2.0, I always got 2 set pieces in a master chest. Now I only ever get 1 purple set item, and 2 blue trash pieces (blue ancestor silk sash, blue rubedite greatsword kinda deal).
And I always have Treasure Hunter slotted.Edited by heaven13 on April 7, 2021 10:34PMPC/NAMountain God | Leave No Bone Unbroken | Apex Predator | Pure Lunacy | Depths Defier | No Rest for the Wicked | In Defiance of DeathMeet my characters :
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NeKryXe✭✭✭✭✭
✭I've been using Treasure Hunter champion points on all characters and I noticed the same problem. You get nothing from simple chest and very little from all the others.
A few days ago I decided to remove Treasure Hunter from champion skill and it's exactly the same. It doesn't make any difference. So, I believe that Treasure Hunter is not at all working or it is meant to be random.5 -
virtus753✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I've been using Treasure Hunter champion points on all characters and I noticed the same problem. You get nothing from simple chest and very little from all the others.
A few days ago I decided to remove Treasure Hunter from champion skill and it's exactly the same. It doesn't make any difference. So, I believe that Treasure Hunter is not at all working or it is meant to be random.
I’ve definitely gotten set pieces out of simple chests since Update 29 with Treasure Hunter slotted. RNG was very streaky, though. I went probably 20 simples without a set piece, then I switched zones and saw them start dropping more regularly.0 -
PigofSteel✭✭✭✭Exploring and doing veteran dlc content but getting green jewerly
Sounds like its worth. 0 -
Madhojo✭✭✭Update : Ive been farming a lot and while I do get set items from simple chests, its only about 50% of the time now and I almost never get a blue item out of them.
Got to be honest here, its frustrating that ZOS tries these stealth nerfs without any explanation from their side as to why. It just feels underhanded.7 -
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✭✭✭✭✭SidraWillowsky wrote: »I am suspicious of the slottable perks in general.
I am too. It seems like everything to do with this green tree is really not working.
From more tempers via the Meticulous perk, or the Treasure Hunter perk. Even the fishing one doesn't seem to make any difference on or off.
I'm just at a loss how they tell us these things are supposed to be better, but ultimately having them seems to make very little difference. Or, so little of a difference it's hardly noticeable.
Just a point sink that really shows results that are lackluster, frustrating, and disappointing.
Serious work needs to be done on this green tree.
If not, let me spend these points in other trees, because they are wasted in this one....8 -
FrancisCrawford✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Meticulous Disassembly looked like it was working when I refined some raw materials. But it was only 20,000 or so pieces in total and I wasn't keeping careful records, so my anecdata on this is not very strong.1 -
Mefromnorway✭✭✭
then they dig their own grave. eso needs new players, people that have been played for a long time are getting boring over time. next dlc i will skip, will be guaranteed a lot of bugs. just looking no. Today after fix and update start game and craft bag not working so i only shut game down.Edited by Mefromnorway on April 21, 2021 7:49PMHave fun and dont be rude. Im Norwegian so im sorry for my spelling, but hope u understand.
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