Kn1ghtmare wrote: »

Clotholachesisatropos666b14_ESO wrote: »

Most of what you hear when it comes to exploits, are wrong. Farming motifs is just farming. Most console gamers dont know the difference and people to new to mmos don't either. So the answern is no.


But keep in mind at some point they will change the ways that you're able to get motifs to stop people from complaining about this method lol.

Unless I hear it straight from a Dev I'm not inclined to believe anyone else, its weird how they have not commented on these posts, which means the jury might still be out if they considered it an exploit or farming method.

Did you remember to tag one or more of the mods in your post, or just assuming they already read it and are deliberating?

P.S. before you tag everyone, that's just highlighting the post. Even I don't get immediate responses even as a pts tester.

Kn1ghtmare wrote: »

Clotholachesisatropos666b14_ESO wrote: »

Most of what you hear when it comes to exploits, are wrong. Farming motifs is just farming. Most console gamers dont know the difference and people to new to mmos don't either. So the answern is no.


But keep in mind at some point they will change the ways that you're able to get motifs to stop people from complaining about this method lol.

Unless I hear it straight from a Dev I'm not inclined to believe anyone else, its weird how they have not commented on these posts, which means the jury might still be out if they considered it an exploit or farming method.

Man please shut your mouth. Looting containers isn't bannable. Most people searching for motifs don't even use the log out/in method, they just run from building to building checking every chest and drawer.

chantry.hammondub17_ESO wrote: »

Traisa wrote: »

Motifs really aren't that rare anymore, so they are losing their value quickly. At least in Daggerfall Covenant.

The farming has killed motiff's value for all except daedric on ebonheart.

I mean just really, look how stupid this whole topic is. Motifs lost value because they're an infinite resource with only finite demand.

FlameStar wrote: »

I'm guessing since you have to log out and )

I GUESS I WILL HAVE TO DELETE THE FIVE I FOUND ON MY ROUNDS THIS MORNING...

I've got 8 toons, and I spend a lot of time logging in and out of them in banks for crafting and inventory management. I've noticed some of those banks have a lot of lootable containers, so while I'm logging in and out anyway I loot them and I've ended up getting quite a few motifs that I've sold (for some reason Orcs seems to come up way more often than the others for me). I definitely wouldn't consider myself to be engaging in motif farming, though. The main purpose of my frequent logging in and out is inventory management - I just happen to do looting at the same time so that I don't feel so frustrated with the process.

In short: farm them as you can because containers will be nerfed.

For those who didn't rush into VR content to get the rare motifs: we are so sorry you are late. In the end, another hole in the economy.

banable offense is to have a speedhack as many videos showing and they loot all lockboxes and wardrobes, in no time, with timer.

But I dont think they should ban anybody, because he entered a house and searched the boxs inside it..

They could make them really rare, 0.5 or 1% of drop rate. With that rates, you may find 1 per week or 1 per month. Only if you legit farm them, you may find 2-3

Right now if you farm them, you may find up to 10-20 per day!

It turn to be the bitcoin of ESO, the motif thing. They have to bring more styles and accessories via motifs, rare motifs.. It is the food of ESO.. the reason to farm for.

I was hopping for treasure map surprises, but treasure maps are very poor handled... poor surprises.. nothing, caput... tzizzz waste of time bothering.

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

This is not something we consider an exploit or bannable offense. Though it's working as designed, we do intend to make some improvements to the current design.

A picture is Worth a 1000 words Tonigh will be motif farming time, so I can finally get clothes I like wearing ^_^. Style is important when fighting evil

Heck, I made about 4K today from finding and selling motifs, and that's just from checking the boxes in banks while managing inventory between my toons. I'm not even selling them for massive prices either, I just list each of them for 450 in a guild store and usually within an hour it's sold with basically no effort from me. I'm sure if I actually concentrated on doing this I could make significantly more.

Kn1ghtmare wrote: »

Ok we finally need to hear this from the Dev's and I will bump until will get a clearcut answer cause I'm sick of hearing about all the mixed responses, okay Is it bannable to farm Motifs by using the games mechanics? Everyone knows about this by now so I will explain, Going into a house or another area and completely looting the contents from containers, then logging out to the character screen and then returning back to the gameplay will put you in a different shard/sever to which all the containers are refilled, people call this a "clever" use of game mechanics, others call it an exploit, and some even claimed that they have been banned or it is a bannable offense. So Dev's please put this to rest, Is this method of farming bannable or not?

You can do the same thing in many games and personally I would call it an exploit/

In Lotro there was an area by a cave where about 7 or 8 scholar nodes would spawn. It would take a good 10 mins + for them to respawn. But you could simply go in the cave, wait 30 secs then come out and there they all were. I found out about this waiting for them to respawn and another player saying what he and his guildmates did.

I did a test (that I told Turbine about and I gave them away to guild mates, I didn't sell them), I got about 40 Tarnished Crests in about an hour when they were very rare and selling for a good 20K gold each, meanwhile people were complaining about the poor drop rate on their forums.

I queried this with Turbine (Lotro devs) and they said that it was exploiting. But it still works like that today and many people seem to do it without any action being taken. I can almost guarantee that most of the players selling loads in Lotros AH were using that exploit.

There's a similar thing in Cyrodill that's been bug reported when certain loading screens hang and you have no choice but force quit the game, upon logging in you receive emails again containing rewards you've already collected, and it wont let you delete them as they have attachments, you have to take the reward first.

Not sure how someone loggiong in and out deliberately to reset wardrobes etc can really believe it isn't an exploit, and if it was working as intended, ESO wouldn't be looking to improve the system.

Now they've said it's OK, I suspect 100s more will be putting strain on their logging servers getting all they can before it's fixed.

Worked the same on the starter areas in beta and that was confirmed not to be working as intended and was the reason the loot was completely nerfed in there.

Banning for logging in and out would be ridiculous right now until bugs are fixed. I can't count how many times in a day I have to relog just to interact with things, not to mention the guild store glitch where the search disappears all the time. If you back out of it to check your armor or look in your own bank and go back into guild store the search is gone. Every single time. /reloadui does not work on that one, at least not for me.

Attorneyatlawl wrote: »

Laerian wrote: »

In short: farm them as you can because containers will be nerfed.

For those who didn't rush into VR content to get the rare motifs: we are so sorry you are late. In the end, another hole in the economy.

MMO loot changes over time, it's the nature of the beast. A simple loot drop like this in a designed fashion is hardly a "hole in the economy".

No, loot doesn't change, it's changed. It is a direct intervention of the developers in the economy.

While some people have been farming these since day 1, a sudden reduction of the "supply" will push the prices up. In the end it will benefit a small portion of already wealthy players and it will handicap new players.

If you have been in the PTS you may know this very well. People holding valuable information and taking advantage from it. It's happens all the time in all mmorpgs, however it doesn't mean that is ok.

I think you're safe. Before you get banned, the people with stacks full of legendary tokens from hireling farming will get banned first and they are still around.

Laerian wrote: »

In short: farm them as you can because containers will be nerfed.

For those who didn't rush into VR content to get the rare motifs: we are so sorry you are late. In the end, another hole in the economy.

sooner or later I will get them anyway... so I have no problem with that...