The end game community in this game has always been toxic. It’s time for a culture change.

jircris11 · April 2021

MoreTune wrote: »

I transferred from PC to PS5 about 3 months ago. On PC, I held almost all achievements in terms of trials (TTT, IR, GH, Godslayer)
I got a PS5 over the holidays, and hoped to enjoy the game a bit more casually.
I mainly run dungeons and run the occasional trial.

I am currently around CP 700.

The end game community has always been something else in ESO. I’ve been on both sides of it. But with the new CP cap it has now become drastically more elitist and toxic. This isnt meant to be a rant, just an observation with ESO. I could care less at this point for super end game content.

CP is such a grey area in terms of expertise. It’s a number that shows how long you have Gained XP. Doesn’t mean experience or knowledge or baseline mechanics of the game. I do agree that higher CP does lead to better DPS, and should be taken into fact for optimizing a raid group.

I had someone question me for a nBRP do grind saying “you are low CP, I don’t think you can do dps for a 4-5 min fast clear” ... made me chuckle when I heard this at cp 700.

You enter a dungeon the first thing people do is check everyone’s CP in the group (like pulling 90k+ is gonna be make or break.) and a vote to kick is initiated before one mob is even killed if someone is “low cp”. I got kicked from a vSCP pledge instantly because I was CP 500 at the time.

Just something I think will never change in ESO and it’s unfortunate for newer players or even mid tier CP players who pull high dps (perhaps better than some 1200+ CP) but get auto kicked because they don’t sink hours into the game to grind up to CP 1800++ with the new system.

PS: as I expressed, this post does not apply to the most difficult content in the game. For that, trial guilds exist with strict requirements which are valid.

It's sadly not just this game. Any online game has this issue, I mean cod is a freaking meme at this point. We get it your miserable irl so you act rude in games. It is annoying but with the way social media is going and leaking in to real life I don't see it changing soon. People are getting dumber for the sake of fake points, and being a troll or rude on twitch gets more views. Imo the world needs a reset at this point.

Runefang · April 2021

Welcome to human existence where those who put more time and effort into something than others will generally disdain those who haven’t done the same. I’d suggest getting over it because every aspect of life is similar.

spartaxoxo · April 2021

ArchMikem wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

I'm an old enough player to remember when level 10 players ended up in White Gold Tower and Imperial City Prison regularly. After that, I laugh at "elite" players kicking based on a glance at someone's level or CP. At least give them the chance to show their stuff at the first boss before you assume that players can't do the job.

Sometimes its even the first mob pull that reveals if they're capable or not. I've seen that many times.

I have seen the first mob pull go badly and the first boss and everything else go fine such an overwhelmingly majority of the time that I would honestly never leave because of the first add pull. There have been many, many, many times where the first pull goes badly because of things like people adjusting gear, just not ready yet, etc. And it's not remotely reflective of the rest of the dungeon. And 9 times out of 10 when someone does leave after the first add pull, the dungeon goes better without them. Because it's often some impatient player that pulled before everyone was ready and then rage quits when it doesn't end well.

That's my personal experience ymmv ofc

xAarionx · April 2021

Honestly, I'm gonna give a bit of an advice, you can decide if it's good or bad, but it's at least what I do

Logic and reason DOES NOT work with toxic people, they can only uderstand toxicity. Logic and reason is only effective against't resonable people.
So, you want to deal with toxic people? be as toxic or more toxic then her, laugh at her toxicity, find all the means to be even more toxic and diminish her and show how pathetic they are for being toxic to the point that makes her question her whole existence.

Thats what i do, in fact, did that today with a guy who sent me a whisper after a BG complauining about what I was doing (not in a reasonable wy might I add)
so, I laughed at his toxicity, started to make fun off him until he blocked me

So, long story short
People being toxic to you. Be toxic to them
People being reasonable, be humble, logical and reasonable

It's simple, It's elegant
it's equivalent exchange

CrashTest · April 2021

Nah. I've been playing endgame for years, and it's not like this at all. PC NA, in case that matters.

Yes, there are toxic players in endgame, but they're the minority, not the majority. The majority of endgamers are chill.

There are toxic players in any area of ESO, but they don't represent the whole.

renne · April 2021

Magdalina wrote: »

CP is simply an indication of time spent in the game (on this platform). Nothing more, nothing less. My first MHK HM was with CP 300-ish tank and healer, both of whom were, as it turned out, wearing blue gear lol. They were console transfers though. They'd never done it before but they did know how to play and after a while, we actually got it. It's all the more amusing now that I've run it so many times and I know just how hard it is to tank and just how many tanks fail it miserably (including me, I'm terrible at tanking MHK HM ).

Console transfers who've done hard content on console will always be massively better at low CP than most other low CP mostly because they've already learned the game the hardest way to play it. That's why judging people's "quality" by their CP alone is such a rubbish way of passing judgement on another player (as you said, it's just that they've spent time in game).

renne · April 2021

MoreTune wrote: »

renne wrote: »

Eedat wrote: »

Is this how it is on console? I've never played on console but every time this type of stuff gets brought up it seems that the console playerbase is grossly more toxic than PC. ESO on PC has the least toxic community out of any MMO I've ever played. Every endgame PvE guild I've been in has been super helpful and willing to work with anyone

No. Your endgame PC experience is the same as my PS endgame experience. OP is doing that thing people here on the forums often do which is extrapolate a bad experience or two and applying it to the entire community.

Bad experience or 2?
I literally prefaced my post stating I have been in the end game community on PC for a long time. Meaning I have been around this community for a long time.

Transitioning to PlayStation now. I labeled two examples for my post. Those examples weren’t a “rage post” for bad experience or 2.

[snip] End game will always be elite. New CP cap makes it worse. If you haven’t experienced it either you aren’t end game or spend your time non PvE. it’s always been around and always will be. Personally doesn’t affect me, I don’t care about progression on PS. so labeling this post as a “bad experience extrapolation” is absurd. It’s simply meant to shed light.

Side note for everyone comparing ESO community to other toxic games. I will reiterate, as I already mentioned multiple times, this is for the end game PVE community. NOT the base community of the game. Which I do agree is very helpful and friendly.

[Edited for Rude Comments]

**I guess pointing out that his comment was irrelevant was edited for being rude. Not my intention. Thanks for the edit.

I'm in a VCR+3 prog, but I guess that's not endgame because I haven't experienced the so-called overwhelming toxicity of the PS end game community? Okay!