The current event will drop the prices on mats. All those writs a day on all those characters means a lot of surveys( i have gotten about 10 during the event and its only been a day). While the reward boxes only give a partial ROI you do get stacks of mats in every single anniversary box. And a lot of those boxes are generated from activities that don't consume mats.
I wish they would extend the event a week or two to compensate for all of the CP craziness going on with people trying to power level and burning through master writs.
Blacknight841 wrote: »If only you all had bots like on Xbox. Our wax is 3.5k!!! It’s actually not worth anyone’s time to farm materials because the bots do it for the whole community and Zos does nothing about it. Go to the alikr... bots, go to Rawlkha ... bots, starter zones... only bots. Even if you are trying to get through the tutorial as a new player, you can’t ... bots all over the wailing prison. If you are standing at any given wayshrine, and you tell your friend to come and find you at that wayshire without traveling to you ... chances are a group of bots will appear there before your friend. Wax is almost as low as when the pig farm existed. To put into perspective, 60% of the players that play eso on Xbox make it out of the wailing prison, but only half of those players actually make it to the harborage. That number is due there reduced to only 7% of the accounts created, not characters but accounts... actually make it to level 50.
You would thing things would get better over the course of 6 years, but in fact it is the worst it has ever been. As a new player you cannot even enjoy the game or find materials to farm because there is a bit sitting at it. Still, Zos does nothing about it.
Question, how can you run bots on an console? Yes you can probably jailbreak one, but then you need an bot software designed and updated to run on current ESO version on an Xbox.Blacknight841 wrote: »If only you all had bots like on Xbox. Our wax is 3.5k!!! It’s actually not worth anyone’s time to farm materials because the bots do it for the whole community and Zos does nothing about it. Go to the alikr... bots, go to Rawlkha ... bots, starter zones... only bots. Even if you are trying to get through the tutorial as a new player, you can’t ... bots all over the wailing prison. If you are standing at any given wayshrine, and you tell your friend to come and find you at that wayshire without traveling to you ... chances are a group of bots will appear there before your friend. Wax is almost as low as when the pig farm existed. To put into perspective, 60% of the players that play eso on Xbox make it out of the wailing prison, but only half of those players actually make it to the harborage. That number is due there reduced to only 7% of the accounts created, not characters but accounts... actually make it to level 50.
You would thing things would get better over the course of 6 years, but in fact it is the worst it has ever been. As a new player you cannot even enjoy the game or find materials to farm because there is a bit sitting at it. Still, Zos does nothing about it.
This exist on pc where you have bot software with ESO "drivers" but on PC you just need the game, the software who work on many game and be willing to cheat and take the risk.
But does this marked exist on consoles as you need to jailbreak in the first place and I assume its harder to make the cheat software.
Jem_Kindheart wrote: »
This is all well and good if Gold income or flow was also increasing at similar rates. It has not. For the flippers and exploiters, this is all great and amazing!
MasterSpatula wrote: »Jem_Kindheart wrote: »
This is all well and good if Gold income or flow was also increasing at similar rates. It has not. For the flippers and exploiters, this is all great and amazing!
Pumping more cash into an economy is not how you slow inflation.
Sambucca1973 wrote: »This is how economies work. Basic supply and demand.
I try to sell things for reasonable prices. But that may be influenced on my own need for money. But I also don’t undercut big items. If a motif usually sells for 85k gold, that’s what I’ll try to get for it.
There are also guilds. I’ll put things in the guild bank or on the guild store at a reduced prices. Yes, my in-game buddies get a break - usually. Those folks get the “discount” that isn’t seen in the public guild traders.
Then there’s the practice of investment (that’s what I call it). I’ll hold onto something, if its sale price drops too much. Eventually it will go back up. Everything is cyclical.
Is it fair? I don’t know. But the entire economy in ESO is its own mini-game. It has taken me four years of fairly regular play to get a bit of a grasp on it. But there are folks, I’m sure, who make me look like a skooma peddler in comparison,
Well thats how economy works. The price gets regulated by offer and demand. And if people offer something way overprized, but the demand is there and people still buy it, then there is nothing to say against it. You are like the ones who offer something a part of that system, if you just don't buy it overprized the offering party has to adjust its prize at some point, by lowering its prizes again. If you have the choice you would obviously buy it cheaper and the people who still overprize stuff won't sell anymore.
I’ve rarely actually had to buy mats in this game because I took the time to level multiple crafters and all my mats were earned by me. Something to consider for those worried about this.
Jem_Kindheart wrote: »As many have noticed, upgrade and base materials prices have exploded. In most cases doubled, in Legendary level prices have tripled. In some outlier cases, it's gone 5x. This is all within a timeframe of a few months.
This is all well and good if Gold income or flow was also increasing at similar rates. It has not. For the flippers and exploiters, this is all great and amazing!
NupidStoob wrote: »Last year around christmas ZoS took care of Bots on PC EU and since then I haven't seen any. I remember all the whine thread about those... This is the reason Dreugh Wax prices constantly went up.
There is also a huge amount of inflation as what we spend gold on is incredibly limited and ZoS has added more and more ways to earn gold. Multiple times was the log in reward 100k per player which introduced millions into the economy and now with the new CP system we also earn more gold. I get now roughly 500G more per char that does all 7 writs. Roughly 90k gold a day simply for spending 45-50 minutes doing writs on 18 chars and that is just raw gold.
There is also a massive difference to the amount of gold endgame players have access to compared to what newer players have. As a result the prices spike because if people easily buy your Dreugh Wax for 16k, why list it for less? As I mentioned above I spend like 50 minutes doing writs a day and get 90k in raw gold + the mats from the rewards + hirelings. Thats easily 150k gold a day while hardly breaking a sweat. The amount of time and effort for a new player to get that much is just massively disproportionate.
We just have way too much money in the economy currently. In endgame it's not uncommon for people to have in the tens of millions, even 100s of millions doesn't feel too uncommon and reportedly there are even a few billionaires amongst the hardcore crown sellers/power traders. Imagine where the prices would be if people would push that money back into the economy.
This is also the best argument against a centralized auction house as it would be incredibly easy for people to dominate the entire market. Only reason Dreugh Wax isn't 50k atm is that nobody with the resources to buy them all up has the motivation to check every single trader in the game multiple times a day. We already had issues with people doing this to certain plants in the past, like the time when columbine was 500g+ for quite a long timeframe.
Question, how can you run bots on an console? Yes you can probably jailbreak one, but then you need an bot software designed and updated to run on current ESO version on an Xbox.Blacknight841 wrote: »If only you all had bots like on Xbox. Our wax is 3.5k!!! It’s actually not worth anyone’s time to farm materials because the bots do it for the whole community and Zos does nothing about it. Go to the alikr... bots, go to Rawlkha ... bots, starter zones... only bots. Even if you are trying to get through the tutorial as a new player, you can’t ... bots all over the wailing prison. If you are standing at any given wayshrine, and you tell your friend to come and find you at that wayshire without traveling to you ... chances are a group of bots will appear there before your friend. Wax is almost as low as when the pig farm existed. To put into perspective, 60% of the players that play eso on Xbox make it out of the wailing prison, but only half of those players actually make it to the harborage. That number is due there reduced to only 7% of the accounts created, not characters but accounts... actually make it to level 50.
You would thing things would get better over the course of 6 years, but in fact it is the worst it has ever been. As a new player you cannot even enjoy the game or find materials to farm because there is a bit sitting at it. Still, Zos does nothing about it.
This exist on pc where you have bot software with ESO "drivers" but on PC you just need the game, the software who work on many game and be willing to cheat and take the risk.
But does this marked exist on consoles as you need to jailbreak in the first place and I assume its harder to make the cheat software.
Jem_Kindheart wrote: »As many have noticed, upgrade and base materials prices have exploded. In most cases doubled, in Legendary level prices have tripled. In some outlier cases, it's gone 5x. This is all within a timeframe of a few months.
This is all well and good if Gold income or flow was also increasing at similar rates. It has not. For the flippers and exploiters, this is all great and amazing!
For the regular player all the way up through upper level veteran players, even us long timers, this is not good and has set a dangerous precedent. Even with decent weekly sales and income from occasional hours of dedicated farming, it has become unrealistic to upgrade gear.
As a matter of perspective, the prices themselves aren't the problem. The issue is the relative value versus the players' ability to earn that coin to buy it. In this case, the value hasn't gone up, nor has the player's ability to earn that value in gold, but the price has gone up.
Through poor planning or poor game design, as well as controlling the artificial drop rates, ZoS is both allowing and is an accomplice to a rapidly growing inequality. It's getting to where even the advanced player has to sell Crowns just to upgrade gear. If this is the new game design or intention, then ZoS should just go ahead and directly sell us Gold for Crowns or real money so we can eliminate the middleperson.
For several examples, here's some examples that I had been noticing and watching skyrocket.
- Dreugh Wax: an absolute game flaw making the gold mat for light and medium the same item.
year ago: 6k, then 7k, then a few months ago 9k, then suddenly 10k, then when the patch dropped 12k, quickly up and up, 14k last week, this week 17k.
So from 6k to 17k.- Tempering Alloy: a year ago 3.5k, then 5k, then when U29 dropped had gone to 8k, last week breached 10k.
So 3.5k to 10k+- Rosin: watched it go from 2.5k to 5k-8k, so not so bad, but still noted.
- Alchemy ingredient prices: almost all have undergone a 50% to 100% price increase during that same time.
- One outlier case I noticed go insane, and I don't care nor am in the market of nor for, is Aetherial Dust. Obviously it would go up due to the raised cap. Yet it has gone way deep into questionable and greed territory. A year ago or more it was 230k-275k, it had been there for quite some time. I watched the zone sellers since Update 29 go immediately to 350k, then a few days later 400k, then last week 500k then 600k, and a few days ago 750k.
That is just totally nuts and a terrible design that allows for something to go from 230k to 750k within weeks.
This is setting a dangerous precedent ZoS, I'm telling you as a friend for years, this is dangerous and will backfire. If you want only the elites to get richer and everyone else to have to sell Crowns just to make gear or make potions to do content, the just come out and say so. Make a way for us to just buy the Gold.
Or, if you really want to fix it, just increase the drop rates. A Dreugh Wax is not worth 17k if it was 6k last year. Just up the drop rates of the mats and Surveys, we don't mind working for it.
We don't mind working for it, but it has to be realistic. 1.2 Million gold to fully upgrade 1 set of armor for 1 character is not realistic for most players.
ZaroktheImmortal wrote: »Yes, because it's all so hard for to dominate with pricings and raise it cause greed. Also you don't have to check every trader. I mean there Tamerial Trade Center does have a website that lists a lot of peoples listings and most people trading will use it. If anything the guild trader system just allows a certain number of people to control what average pricings things will usually go for.
What’s more (I am told) not having it loaded is a serious nerf to the amount of crafting mats received, compared to how it was like before the latest update.