ZoS, We Need to Address the Mat Price Increase 2x-5x

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  • smallhammer
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    This game could really benefit from having auction houses. There are many players, who for different reasons, are not in a guild, and need to use the chat if they wanna sell stash.

    Yes; we can all run around gather the mats we need, but that doesn't suit everyone. If it did, no one would be able to sell much.

    I run around collecting and harvest, but I am not in a guild, and I do not intend to be. To sell, I need to put it out in the chat. And then you need to have players right there and then, in the same zone, who would be potential buyers.

    In other MMO's I've played, auction houses were a part of the game, and it worked like a charm
  • Sylvermynx
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    Surveys - they can make peoples' lives difficult. Right now, I'm getting more surveys than I have for at least 6 months. And with doing the writ dailies on 25 characters, it's a bit annoying that they're piling up since I generally do them as soon as I have 4 or 5 of them.

    Still, it doesn't matter that I'll have more of them than I'll be happy with once the event is done. Surveys are.... wealth (I don't mean I sell the mats - absolutely NOT - those are MY mats and I'm NOT SHARING). And I'll happily spend a couple of days harvesting them once this event is done.
  • CableBomb
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    Sylvermynx wrote: »
    Eh, no worries for me. I farm. I LOVE farming.

    Same here.

    I'll add that fluctuations, even if dramatic, in the market, are a sign of zest, spice and the life of the market.
  • remosito
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    I buy them every so often doing dailies on multiple characters. I could do many fewer if surveys weren't such a pain. I think I sucked up 2 hours the other day doing them in Northern Elsweyr, partially because getting some to reset was a pain and also because I stacked up 20+ of all of them there.

    A kingdom for a new green tree passive:

    "survey spots will immediately respawn upon harvesting all 6 nodes when carrying more surveys for that spot"

    As for the mar prices. Zos is certainly aware. Seeing they just added 2 cp passives that increase temper/mats drop rates.

    My guess is they are monitoring effect on economy over the next few months. And if needed tune them upwards. Especially met. disasembly is pretty weak at 12.5% increase.
    Edited by remosito on April 2, 2021 6:00AM
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  • Auth3nticGlitch
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    This game could really benefit from having auction houses. There are many players, who for different reasons, are not in a guild, and need to use the chat if they wanna sell stash.

    Yes; we can all run around gather the mats we need, but that doesn't suit everyone. If it did, no one would be able to sell much.

    I run around collecting and harvest, but I am not in a guild, and I do not intend to be. To sell, I need to put it out in the chat. And then you need to have players right there and then, in the same zone, who would be potential buyers.

    In other MMO's I've played, auction houses were a part of the game, and it worked like a charm

    What reasons would you not join a guild to list items and sell them? What is difference which that reason would allow you to list items on an auction house but not on a guild? Not to mention guilds are a part of the game, many guilds don’t require you to talk to anyone and can literally be used only for listing items.

    With that said all I can say is NO to an auction house and if you want a reason just search the many other topics on people requesting an auction house and the reasons why so many disagree with it.

    Edit; removed old draft text and typos.
    Edited by Auth3nticGlitch on April 2, 2021 6:05AM
  • AinSoph
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    You know, you CAN sell things and take advantage of the increase. I really never understood why people complain about the market increase when it is rather easy to get involved and make a profit yourself.
  • GreenHere
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    AinSoph wrote: »
    You know, you CAN sell things and take advantage of the increase. I really never understood why people complain about the market increase when it is rather easy to get involved and make a profit yourself.

    Isn't it obvious? The people complaining are the buyers, not the sellers! ;P
  • Brrrofski
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    What server is that?

    Prices haven't changed on xbox eu.

    But they were never as cheap as they were for you OP.

    Wax 5-6k
    Rosin 7k
    Temps 7-8k

    Been like that for the last 4 years
    Edited by Brrrofski on April 2, 2021 6:39AM
  • iksde
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    What reasons would you not join a guild to list items and sell them? What is difference which that reason would allow you to list items on an auction house but not on a guild? Not to mention guilds are a part of the game, many guilds don’t require you to talk to anyone and can literally be used only for listing items.

    With that said all I can say is NO to an auction house and if you want a reason just search the many other topics on people requesting an auction house and the reasons why so many disagree with it.

    Edit; removed old draft text and typos.

    there can be some reasons

    -playing to casually to actually stay in decent guild

    -havinng no interest in any guilds at all

    -having no space for trade guild at all, we have many ways to play game and for each we could find guild to play with others and if we wanted guild for each activity 5 slots are not enough for all without even mentioning for trading

    Im sure somoene else could find some more reasons, these are just basics for me and Im in 5 (3 on my main account and 2 on my alt account) trade guilds now and thats still not enough for me for what Im listing to sell and Im like that for few months now, not kicked for not enough sale and thinking to join to maybe 2 more trade guilds on 2nd account
  • Auth3nticGlitch
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    iksde wrote: »

    there can be some reasons

    -playing to casually to actually stay in decent guild

    -havinng no interest in any guilds at all

    -having no space for trade guild at all, we have many ways to play game and for each we could find guild to play with others and if we wanted guild for each activity 5 slots are not enough for all without even mentioning for trading

    Im sure somoene else could find some more reasons, these are just basics for me and Im in 5 (3 on my main account and 2 on my alt account) trade guilds now and thats still not enough for me for what Im listing to sell and Im like that for few months now, not kicked for not enough sale and thinking to join to maybe 2 more trade guilds on 2nd account

    Your reasons sound more like you're dissatisfied with guilds and the limit on listings/requirements etc. Your original post sounded more like you are not in any guilds and had reasons to not join any and it confused me as to why you would penalize yourself like that. There are plenty of trading guilds without requirements and a few guilds that don't require you to be social and won't kick until a month of inactivity but those probably won't due because they aren't "decent" enough for you, as in they don't have that best guild traders in hot locations. So it sounds more like you just don't like guild traders and the requirements and want an auction house so that you can bypass those requirements. Well, this topic has been brought up many times and the consensus is that an auction house will never happen and many people love guild traders.
  • Goregrinder
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    So you want the controlling entity to step in and govern how much someone can sell something for?
    Edited by Goregrinder on April 2, 2021 3:37PM
  • poodlemasterb16_ESO
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    I buy almost all my mats. I go through them with 9 crafters, but I still make gold steadily. I'm about to buy another motif as I have 100,000g spare now.

    Now I'm sure its hard at the top but only my current fighters get gold stuff, and that's usually just weapons. I can make everything gold anytime, but its pointless for my solo game. My actual skill is far more important in that scenario.
  • ManDraKE
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    We need in-game Bitcoin, the gold inflation is too much.
  • remosito
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    So you want the controlling entity to step in and govern how much someone can sell something for?

    nope.. but increasing supply. which they just did with the 2 cp skills. imo they'll need to tune them upwards a bit still.
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  • Oreyn_Bearclaw
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    The reality is that there is no one cause of this.

    -Bots were banned, supply drops, Prices go up.
    -Craft bag, been here a while, but I think this generally puts an upward pressure on prices because it curbs supply.
    -Inflation is also catching up to this game, to many uber wealthy people, too many easy sources of gold, gold has less value, than it used to prices go up.
    -Sticker book has made a lot of people (myself included) make a lot of gear recently, especially for alts. Demand increases, prices go up.
    -New CP system, forces people to change their builds to some degree, demand increases, prices go up.
    -No-Proc PVP, again, forces people to change their builds, prices go up.
    -Master writs are a really good source of XP for power leveling CP, demand increases, prices go up.
    -Event causes people to do a massive amount of writs, demand for base mats goes up, as do the things they drop.

    Really the only downward pressure is that the New CP allows more drops from nodes. I am sitting on north of 2,000 surveys. It may cause me to actually do them at some point, but with the new changes, I have much higher priorities I am working on right now. Maybe I will get around to it this summer, I am certainly not the only one.

    If I were ZOS, I would probably look to increase supply in a meaningful way to Both Wax and Chromium.

    Wax has always been the hardest mat for me to keep in stock. It is used by almost everyone, and it double dips between mag and stamina. They see this to some degree, as hirelings will send you X2. They should introduce the chance of X2 from writ drops, and perhaps even consider increasing the drop rate a bit from refining. Wax is also one of the easiest things for bots to farm, so when they left, this was hit extra hard.

    Chromium Plating is just overly grindy. the X10 thing needs looked at, or again, maybe zos could introduce a few more sources of the mat or increase the current ones a bit. I think Decon'ing Gold jewelry should have a reasonable change to drop a plating instead of a grain. If you decon most gold gear, you basically get back 1/16 of your input costs on average (50/50 chance to get 1 back). On jewelry, you get 1/80th back on average. That's a pretty big discrepancy.

    I agree that ZOS does have a duty to oversee the economy to some degree. No, they should not control prices directly, but when they see runaway pricing on items (which is certainly happening), they should look to subtly increase the supply or curb the demand in some way.

    Edited by Oreyn_Bearclaw on April 2, 2021 5:34PM
  • FrancisCrawford
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    One moral: Diversify your fictional wealth.

    I keep a lot of gold around. I also keep a lot of mats.

    Indeed, it's pretty rare for me to sell a top-tier mat. (I do happily sell the ones used for making intermediate-level gear.) In one exception, when I had close to 2000 Kuta, I sold them off until I was down to 1000.

    I actually gold out very little except weapons, since I don't play very competitively (e.g. in PvP or chasing leaderboards). But I could do quite a few sets if I chose before I'd be low on upgrade mats.

    And that's with letting my surveys pile up in inventory.

    What I do sometimes buy is the base mats to do crafting writs, as that saves me the trouble of using my surveys.
  • zaria
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    If only you all had bots like on Xbox. Our wax is 3.5k!!! It’s actually not worth anyone’s time to farm materials because the bots do it for the whole community and Zos does nothing about it. Go to the alikr... bots, go to Rawlkha ... bots, starter zones... only bots. Even if you are trying to get through the tutorial as a new player, you can’t ... bots all over the wailing prison. If you are standing at any given wayshrine, and you tell your friend to come and find you at that wayshire without traveling to you ... chances are a group of bots will appear there before your friend. Wax is almost as low as when the pig farm existed. To put into perspective, 60% of the players that play eso on Xbox make it out of the wailing prison, but only half of those players actually make it to the harborage. That number is due there reduced to only 7% of the accounts created, not characters but accounts... actually make it to level 50.

    You would thing things would get better over the course of 6 years, but in fact it is the worst it has ever been. As a new player you cannot even enjoy the game or find materials to farm because there is a bit sitting at it. Still, Zos does nothing about it.
    Question, how can you run bots on an console? Yes you can probably jailbreak one, but then you need an bot software designed and updated to run on current ESO version on an Xbox.

    This exist on pc where you have bot software with ESO "drivers" but on PC you just need the game, the software who work on many game and be willing to cheat and take the risk.
    But does this marked exist on consoles as you need to jailbreak in the first place and I assume its harder to make the cheat software.


    Grinding just make you go in circles.
    Asking ZoS for nerfs is as stupid as asking for close air support from the death star.
  • VaranisArano
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    iksde wrote: »

    yep, thats exactly this
    and so not everyone have time at all to farm, grind that much for basics to be able to play something higher
    as in eso I myself have so much I wont experience to much if even a pain of unavaibility to play something decent here because as how I want to play I dont want/dont have time to grind, farm milions of gold just to get decent gear for this, to be on par with rest players in that content

    but I feel so much that feeling now in runescape to which I get back (again xD) when I want to play how I want but I ant until I grind one of needed skills which is most boring ever, especially on this not maxed level or grind of quests to get here where I want - but thats different, thats just progress of playtrough here which I need in order to get further in game and I wont be able to just buy this while in here in eso thats case is nothing from playthrough - thats a thing of callopsing market or something not working here or just with game
    like mentioned before rich players getting profit from flipping items and so raising their price overall leaving not rich players at bigger disadvantage
    less players willing to farm, gring mats and more players in need of them - showing there is more players willing to play how they want and there is not that much players having fun of farming items along so with not enough players keeping stack of items on market

    for someone starting this game now is much much harder to get gold, to get decent gear, upgraded to be able to staart progressing for endgame than not that very long ago where mats literally was atleast 2x cheaper and more

    I myself see problem with prices here over time, as I wrote I liked to hunt for cheap mats whne I was bored just to stockpile them in my craftbag, for fun I get to have over 1m of alcahest xD, I was buying that in same price as to vendor or even cheaper from guild stores, maybe price of this didnt raise to much but anyway it is rarely to see again this in price atlest of price to vendor this, this count to literally every material, whatever was very cheap or even worthless not it have its price or is even very expensive now and so thats the end of collecting so many mats as that is possible because it is no longer cheap, it is rather very expensive now so it will be evne more expensive for not veteran, old players here

    wanna get geared for endgame? or even for pvp to have chances agaisnt other players? sorry but you need to go slowly farm gold for this with yout short time window for playing where you actually wanted just to play for fun withing not long time rather than grinding now gold for days to get geared to get chances with playing with other players who are longer in this game or are selling crowns
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    like example from 1 of my friends - he is pvp only player here, he always know I have much gold and I will always find something whih I could want from crown store xD so everytime when he needed gold because meta drasticly changed or because he get back after longer break and everything changed very much in this time - he have no willings to go into grind for gold or mats, he dont care for this as he dont want to waste his not long time of playing for this, the only reason he is in this game its just pvp, he doesnt step outside pvp unless he need to buy something or is forced to farm an set which is only in dung - if he didnt had me to sell me crons for gold - he would just find anyone else or even buy from someone else cheaper for real money gold instead for crowns just to not stay away from his only reason to play this game, I just know he will never even touch anything from grind aspect of this game, exp or gold, he is not for this here, he is just for fun, to play game for fun with his time for playing instead for grind to be able to play

    You say things got harder...but it didn't get harder for players who are willing to craft and farm materials for themselves.

    You need gold? Fishing and farming mats is an easy way to make gold and its just as easy to break into that market as it ever was.

    You need improvement mats? Farm your own mats and refine them.

    No offense, but that's exactly what I did. Most of my early fortune came from fishing perfect roe, and farming reagents and nirncrux. Those are 100% available to low level players. As for the rest, you'll probably want to make a crafter character anyway, so that'll cover a lot of the farming and refining on the same character. It's a worthwhile investment.

    Not every player wants to spend their time doing that, but they always have the choice.
  • AlnilamE
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    iksde wrote: »

    -having no space for trade guild at all, we have many ways to play game and for each we could find guild to play with others and if we wanted guild for each activity 5 slots are not enough for all without even mentioning for trading

    If a guild has more than 50 players, it unlocks the internal guild store. You can list things there, even if it can't be accessed by outside players (unless you claim something in Cyrodiil).

    One of my guilds never has a trader, but they still sell a lot of stuff internally and I make sure my slots are always filled.
    iksde wrote: »
    the best is how people are saying in threads like this how they dont feel anything bad as they themselves have loads of mats, many characters for daily crafts, etc etc how they dont need to even buy these mats because they have them xD

    while they are sitting mountains of mats in their craftbags (I myself sit on that btw xD) they fail to see there need to be players who dont who actually have need to buy these mats and so we have prices which we have - becasue of demand of players who actually need to buy them and most probably because of people having tons of gold, just to much gold so they are hunting out of beredoom or their willingness just for cheaper mats to resell them with higher price (yeah, that not exclusive problem to AH :wink: )
    I myself like to hunt o cheap mats when i have nothing to do just to make bigger stockpile in my crafbag when I have it active and I can see that problem of rising prices even on lowest mats while msot people here as we can see who also have loads of mats seems to not these raising prices because they just dont care about that becasue they are we can say just richer people who have their own mats and so are not beginners in this game

    If you were referring to my post, that's not what I meant.

    I meant that the craft bag removes the need to sell excess stock, because we don't have to worry about it filling up inventory.

    Before the craft bag existed, I kept 2 stacks of each mat and sold the rest.

    Now, I only sell mats if I'm in a lull for other things to sell. But as a rule of thumb, things that occupy an inventory slot get sold first.
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  • zaria
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    More people do crafting writs as an fast way to get xp, even be blue jewelry crafting writs sell for some thousands now.
    You then use the writ vouchers to buy Diminished Aetherial Dust for 100% potions :)
    You can easy get 19K for alchemy writs but guess this will raise during the event.

    In short you have a lots of players with serious amount of gold using writs to turn gold into xp, feed this.
    You can make millions during this event,
    Grinding just make you go in circles.
    Asking ZoS for nerfs is as stupid as asking for close air support from the death star.
  • xaraan
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    Prices on some stuff have gone up in general sure, but for the most part what people miss is the value of gold continually goes down.
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  • NettleCarrier
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    I see this kind of post all the time - an important thing to remember is that the method of acquiring said materials has NOT changed. Anyone can go out and harvest and even refine things themselves. If the price of the mats goes up then you suddenly get paid more for farming. I don't see what the huge issue is...
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  • L_Nici
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    Well thats how economy works. The price gets regulated by offer and demand. And if people offer something way overprized, but the demand is there and people still buy it, then there is nothing to say against it. You are like the ones who offer something a part of that system, if you just don't buy it overprized the offering party has to adjust its prize at some point, by lowering its prizes again. If you have the choice you would obviously buy it cheaper and the people who still overprize stuff won't sell anymore.
    Edited by L_Nici on April 2, 2021 4:35PM
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  • Thealteregoroman
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    Wolfpaw wrote: »
    You can sell crowns for gold, working as intended.

    how?
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  • FrancisCrawford
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    L_Nici wrote: »
    Well thats how economy works. The price gets regulated by offer and demand. And if people offer something way overprized, but the demand is there and people still buy it, then there is nothing to say against it. You are like the ones who offer something a part of that system, if you just don't buy it overprized the offering party has to adjust its prize at some point or the market gets paralyzed.

    Just like ZoS tries to keep things balanced in combat (hah), they'd also like to keep things balanced in the chance to afford gear. If they fail too badly in that effort, they deserve criticism.

    But other posts in this thread make a good case that things are approximately as balanced as they ever were. Much of the wealth with which to bid on crafting mats is created in the crafting system itself.
    Edited by FrancisCrawford on April 2, 2021 4:39PM
  • Inaya
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    Don't want to pay - farm.

    Don't want to farm - pay.

    Pretty simple.
  • VaranisArano
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    I see this kind of post all the time - an important thing to remember is that the method of acquiring said materials has NOT changed. Anyone can go out and harvest and even refine things themselves. If the price of the mats goes up then you suddenly get paid more for farming. I don't see what the huge issue is...

    I suspect the huge issue is for those who have neither the time nor the inclination to go out and acquire the materials for themselves, and thus find that the gold they have managed to get together no longer goes as far as it used to.

    If you are short on time or dislike farming, then it becomes a matter of "But I want to spend my time having fun, not farming" (while ignoring that MMOs are deliberately engineered to be a time sink, and that you spending time farming in order to have fun is a win-win for the Devs.)
  • tc91101
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    I think OP is referring to gold matts only. Already refined base matts prices haven't changed much if any. I buy already refined matts like crazy for my daily Writs. Doing the Writs gives me gold matts. I have plenty of gold matts. If the market is high I sell them. If it's low I horde what I have and maybe buy them.
  • tc91101
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    I buy them every so often doing dailies on multiple characters. I could do many fewer if surveys weren't such a pain. I think I sucked up 2 hours the other day doing them in Northern Elsweyr, partially because getting some to reset was a pain and also because I stacked up 20+ of all of them there.

    I'm with you on surveys. I have something like 150 banks slots on two different accounts taken up with surveys. They are stacked with some of them having greater than 20 per location now.
  • kargen27
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    One of the big causes for increase in golding out gear is the extension of no proc sets in Cyrodiil. Players were willing to run without gold gear when they thought the test would be just a few weeks. With the test lasting longer and some feeling it may become permanent PvP'rs are now golding out their gear.
    and then the parrot said, "must be the water mines green too."
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