Jeremy wrote: »

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

allhailskippy wrote: »

I can't imagine this is an intentional change. If so, what's the point of being invisible?

Haven't you ever seen those "invisible man" movies where the person is detected because he makes a noise or even speaks, picks up an object, sits in a chair and creates an indentation, etc., even though he's invisible? "Out of sight" isn't the same as "can't be detected."

As a heavy armor enthusiast and compulsive looter, I do find the change to be a bit of a bother, but they're also logical and in line with how heavy armor affects sneaking in some of the other Elder Scrolls games. I'll adapt, if only because I must. But I do wonder how the passive changes interact with sets and perks that decrease your radius of detectability.

I think the main reason we heavy armor enthusiasts are annoyed by the change is because we'd gotten used to the way heavy armor was defying the reality of some squeaky-clanky knight in a suit of armor trying to stealthily tip-toe past someone. In a fictional world where the existence of invisibility spells and potions is common knowledge, it would make sense that NPCs are probably on the lookout for unexplained clanks.

So I can magically heal wounds, bring people back to life, call meteors from the sky and turn into Vampires and werewolves, and the one element of "realism" they want to focus on is how heavy armor might squeak when invisible and alert NPCs and enemies? haha

I'm going to have to disagree with you here and say "realism" went out the window on this game a very long time ago. Their only concern as developers should be whether or not any given change enriches the gameplay or not. And this game already has a lot of stealth content aimed at specific character builds as it is. Further aggravating this by shutting out heavy armor users from being able to use invisible as a crutch to help make up for their lack of stealth options is a bad idea and is just going to make the game less enjoyable for more players. And why? To achieve some petty sense of realism in this one aspect of a game that is otherwise awash in unrealism? Very silly development decision if you ask me (assuming this isn't a bug) and is just going to make me get undressed first before I use my invisible potions, which is a stupid addition to the gameplay.

Besides, even if I was to entertain that logic, so what if they can hear me? They still can't see me if I'm suppose to be invisible. Yet still they do. So I'm not even sure if it even is realistic. You're suppose to be invisible. You're not just hiding after all. How would they even know who I was to put a bounty on my head?

Jeremy wrote: »

robertthebard wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

allhailskippy wrote: »

I can't imagine this is an intentional change. If so, what's the point of being invisible?

Haven't you ever seen those "invisible man" movies where the person is detected because he makes a noise or even speaks, picks up an object, sits in a chair and creates an indentation, etc., even though he's invisible? "Out of sight" isn't the same as "can't be detected."

As a heavy armor enthusiast and compulsive looter, I do find the change to be a bit of a bother, but they're also logical and in line with how heavy armor affects sneaking in some of the other Elder Scrolls games. I'll adapt, if only because I must. But I do wonder how the passive changes interact with sets and perks that decrease your radius of detectability.

I think the main reason we heavy armor enthusiasts are annoyed by the change is because we'd gotten used to the way heavy armor was defying the reality of some squeaky-clanky knight in a suit of armor trying to stealthily tip-toe past someone. In a fictional world where the existence of invisibility spells and potions is common knowledge, it would make sense that NPCs are probably on the lookout for unexplained clanks.

So I can magically heal wounds, bring people back to life, call meteors from the sky and turn into Vampires and werewolves, and the one element of "realism" they want to focus on is how heavy armor might squeak when invisible and alert NPCs and enemies? haha

What's wrong with that? Do all of these things suddenly mean that everyone in the world is also deaf?

I'm going to have to disagree with you here and say "realism" went out the window on this game a very long time ago. Their only concern as developers should be whether or not any given change enriches the gameplay or not. And this game already has a lot of stealth content aimed at specific character builds as it is. Further aggravating this by shutting out heavy armor users from being able to use invisible as a crutch to help make up for their lack of stealth options is a bad idea and is just going to make the game less enjoyable for more players. And why? To achieve some petty sense of realism in this one aspect of a game that is otherwise awash in unrealism? Very silly development decision if you ask me (assuming this isn't a bug) and is just going to make me get undressed first before I use my invisible potions, which is a stupid addition to the gameplay.

Besides, even if I was to entertain that logic, so what if they can hear me? They still can't see me if I'm suppose to be invisible. Yet still they do. So I'm not even sure if it even is realistic. You're suppose to be invisible. You're not just hiding after all. How would they even know who I was to put a bounty on my head?

Does the description of the invisibility potion say it muffles movement?

What it means is the "realism" argument is dead in the water. The concern should be improving the gameplay and making the game enjoyable for people to play. Sacrificing that for "realism" on a game that has no "realism" anyway makes no sense from a development standpoint. This isn't to mention the "realism" argument doesn't even add up in the first place.

For example: wearing leather instead of metal wouldn't suddenly turn you into a void where noise doesn't exist. People could still hear you breathe and move around, and would certainly still be able to hear you opening a chest. The chest doesn't have stealth or invisible and would still make all of the same noises a person dressed in his underwear would make when opening it. There are a lot noises in the world besides these supposed "squeaks" heavy armor would in theory make.

You also avoided my point, which is if you were invisible and NPCs heard you while opening a chest, they still wouldn't be able to see you. So just how would they even know who I was to put a bounty on me? Or does every piece of heavy armor have an identifiable squeak to it now or something? It just doesn't sound very realistic to me, sorry.

Jeremy wrote: »

What it means is the "realism" argument is dead in the water. The concern should be improving the gameplay and making the game enjoyable for people to play. Sacrificing that for "realism" on a game that has no "realism" anyway makes no sense from a development standpoint.