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Why such a content blackout with Bosmer.
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TheNuminous1✭✭✭✭✭
✭ElvenOverlord wrote: »Dude 4 of the 5 zones you level in for the Dominion are all in Bosmer territory: Grahtwood, Greenshade, Malabal Tor and Reaper's March which borders Elsweyr. That is more than enough. Little to much actually. Pact story line is more balanced with the first two zones being in Morrowind, one in Black Marsh and the last two in Skyrim. Considering only 4 tribes of Argonians are even a part of the Pact they still get a zone.
Bosmer are fine for now, they have a significant amount of content. If you want more for them that's fine but actual races such as Argonian and Redguard should be priority cause they have less content than the Bosmer.
Umm no I totally disagree with you WUT.
Argonians have so freaking much. They have momentos and pets and costumes and accessories. They get murkmire and half of blackwood.
Wood elves have way less. The base game zones are 8 years old now.
This topic isn't here to negotiate why bosmer SHOULDENT get content. That's the very opposite6 -
Erelah✭✭✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »Back of the bus Argonians have not even had an expansion yet or hammerfell. They said a long time ago that they want each race that didn't have an expansion or complete in base game to get one first. There is only black marsh and hammerfell left. First dungeon dlc slightly hints black marsh 2022. So likely hammerfell expac 2023. Once these are done they will go back to filling in places that need more. The only possible expansion for we would be fallinesti as everything else is complete but your still likely going to have to wait as I think Morrowind expansion will 2023.
Um, I seem to recall this 100% Argonian centered dlc called Murkmire. Did I imagine that one?
A dlc is not an expansion and you know it.
Well, if we're talking Chapters specifically, the Orcs haven't gotten one either. No, Orsinium is not a Chapter - it's a DLC.
Which puts the Bosmer solidly in last place without even a DLC zone to their name, since Redguards have Hew's Bane and the Argonians have Murkmire.
Bretons didn't get anything either. And by far the worst treated are imperials, because their zones have little in the way of quests showing their culture.
Cyrodil showed it. If all the Elderscroll games taught me anything, Imperials are great at being taken over. Even the Reach Emperors took over before an Imperial Fake Emperor took over, just for Talos to come down to take over later on. It is their culture, loosing wars.1 -
waterfairy✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭if you can't see all the bosmers and bosmer themed stuff (including furniture) then maybe that's because you don't know they're also called wood elves
Edited by waterfairy on March 20, 2021 2:02PM1 -
menedhyn✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes to more Bosmer content. Feed me that stuff. Let me consume it. Om nom nom...
That said, as much as I love them, I do think other races and areas need to be explored first. More Bosmeri style houses would be nice (only 3, albeit I think they're really good). Some more story content feels most likely at some point. It would be a travesty not to find out more about Falinesti.6 -
FrancisCrawford✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Back of the bus Argonians have not even had an expansion yet or hammerfell. They said a long time ago that they want each race that didn't have an expansion or complete in base game to get one first. There is only black marsh and hammerfell left. First dungeon dlc slightly hints black marsh 2022. So likely hammerfell expac 2023. Once these are done they will go back to filling in places that need more. The only possible expansion for we would be fallinesti as everything else is complete but your still likely going to have to wait as I think Morrowind expansion will 2023.
Shadows of the Hist? Murkmire?1 -
Chaos2088✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Each chapter has kinda been going on race (sort of). The walkign tree city of Falinesti has gone missing in the base game story, so they could add this for a chapter and add more underground area's to Valenwood like they did with skyrim. Also add loads of stuff in crown store, items, stuff for the home. Allsorts.
If going all out however....a re-deisgn of the zones and add a upper realm (in the trees). For wood elves and not have cities in the branches of the forests and jungles is a big miss in my book. Would be ace.@Chaos2088 PC EU Server | AD-PvP5 -
Araneae6537✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭It’s a reasonable argument that the Bosmer got quite a lot land and storywise in the base game, including some quests and stories that I really enjoyed too!
In the housing department, however, Bosmer really have gotten the least: 1) No notable home, which would be the perfect reason to add a treehouse. 2) Sooo few furnishings! Introducing a notable home would also be a good opportunity to introduce some more of elegant style — look at the tree in Silvenar with it’s soaring “windows” and the elegantly woven thrones! 
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Lady_Galadhiel✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭I would like if they would add some 700 slot bosmer themed house and new furniture.Total ESO playtime: 8325 hours
ESO plus status: Cancelled
ESO currently uninstalled.4 -
Ratzkifal✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Bosmer did get half a dungeon DLC in Lair of Maarselok, but yes, they are being neglected. Their racial passives don't reflect their lore either. Aside from Falinesti there isn't much Bosmer content left to be added though. We have to wait for reworks of base game zones for that to happen, and ZOS said they won't start with reworks until all the blank spots are filled, so two more Nord, Dunmer and Redguard expansions, one Argonian and Maormer expansion and one Breton and Khajiit DLC first. The more Daedric realms we go to along the way, the longer it will take until Bosmer can get some love again.This Bosmer was tortured to death. There is nothing left to be done.4 -
Moonsprite✭✭✭I would like some nature themed furniture that isn’t skulls, bones, and animal skins. I like the spriggan aesthetic and wish there was decor in that theme. It would also be nice to find some Bosmer culture that maybe wasn’t all Green pact, eat your neighbor, lore.3 -
Czeri✭✭✭✭✭Moonsprite wrote: »I would like some nature themed furniture that isn’t skulls, bones, and animal skins. I like the spriggan aesthetic and wish there was decor in that theme. It would also be nice to find some Bosmer culture that maybe wasn’t all Green pact, eat your neighbor, lore.
Telvanni furniture is awesome, and has always given me spriggany vibes.2 -
RedMuse✭✭✭✭✭
✭Back of the bus Argonians have not even had an expansion yet or hammerfell. They said a long time ago that they want each race that didn't have an expansion or complete in base game to get one first. There is only black marsh and hammerfell left. First dungeon dlc slightly hints black marsh 2022. So likely hammerfell expac 2023. Once these are done they will go back to filling in places that need more. The only possible expansion for we would be fallinesti as everything else is complete but your still likely going to have to wait as I think Morrowind expansion will 2023.
Um, I seem to recall this 100% Argonian centered dlc called Murkmire. Did I imagine that one?
Skooma probably.
Murkmire was great, just a bit to little ^^
Oh agreed on that. I'm looking forward to Blackwood and more lizard content But saying they haven't had one is wrong. Same with Hammerfell for that matter. 0 -
BejaProphet✭✭✭✭✭
✭Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »Problem with new Bosmer content is actually, exactly what you have pointed out OP - They kinda run out of land mass...
I mean, their entire homeland is already in the game, right ? Same for Altmers & Khajiits. In that terms, race that is lacking the most when it comes to zones & land are probably Argonians.
I mean, They have one base game zone and one story DLC zone and maybe (if you would even count this) some small various settlements / camps scattered here and there (that won't probably make even for a story dlc zone, maybe a base game starter zone at best).
I mean, they are the only race in the game that do not have their home province yet. Granted this may change with this year's story DLC, but that depends if ZOS will add more Balckmarsh (Argonian Chapter) or more Nibenay (Imperial Chapter).
Only way I can see more Bosmer related content is if we will have some kind of daedric realm added (Hircine maybe, because you know, Bosmer & hunting). But other than that, I don't know what Bosmer zone ZOS can add, since all of them are already in the game.
Everything you say is true, but I think a counter point needs to be made just for a balanced perspective.
Even though their homelands are the least explored, ESO has been the greatest exploration into their home land EVER in Elder Scrolls. So while you are right, Argonian lovers ought to be thrilled with the love ZOS has shown them.Royal Poet's Dungeon Tanking Guide https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/416797/royal-poets-guide-to-traditional-tanking-in-veteran-dungeons#latest1 -
Lugaldu✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Regarding the furniture - there could be so many fantastic pieces of furniture and objects made of filigree carved tusks for example. And also the tree houses, they are always just the same and boring. Hey, aren't the pod-singers capable of something more complex?3 -
Araneae6537✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭BejaProphet wrote: »Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »Problem with new Bosmer content is actually, exactly what you have pointed out OP - They kinda run out of land mass...
I mean, their entire homeland is already in the game, right ? Same for Altmers & Khajiits. In that terms, race that is lacking the most when it comes to zones & land are probably Argonians.
I mean, They have one base game zone and one story DLC zone and maybe (if you would even count this) some small various settlements / camps scattered here and there (that won't probably make even for a story dlc zone, maybe a base game starter zone at best).
I mean, they are the only race in the game that do not have their home province yet. Granted this may change with this year's story DLC, but that depends if ZOS will add more Balckmarsh (Argonian Chapter) or more Nibenay (Imperial Chapter).
Only way I can see more Bosmer related content is if we will have some kind of daedric realm added (Hircine maybe, because you know, Bosmer & hunting). But other than that, I don't know what Bosmer zone ZOS can add, since all of them are already in the game.
Everything you say is true, but I think a counter point needs to be made just for a balanced perspective.
Even though their homelands are the least explored, ESO has been the greatest exploration into their home land EVER in Elder Scrolls. So while you are right, Argonian lovers ought to be thrilled with the love ZOS has shown them.
And Argonians should be getting more this year as well as Imperials and then hints point to Black Marsh for next year. 0 -
RedMuse✭✭✭✭✭
✭Back of the bus Argonians have not even had an expansion yet or hammerfell. They said a long time ago that they want each race that didn't have an expansion or complete in base game to get one first. There is only black marsh and hammerfell left. First dungeon dlc slightly hints black marsh 2022. So likely hammerfell expac 2023. Once these are done they will go back to filling in places that need more. The only possible expansion for we would be fallinesti as everything else is complete but your still likely going to have to wait as I think Morrowind expansion will 2023.
Um, I seem to recall this 100% Argonian centered dlc called Murkmire. Did I imagine that one?
A dlc is not an expansion and you know it.
Now you're being disingenuous and you know it. If you mean chapter, then say chapter. Because a DLC is still an expansion.
Also other groups that haven't had chapters: Bretons and Orcs. Imperials haven't so far either but appear to be getting half a chapter with Blackwood, the other half going to the Argonians by all appearances, leaving both Bretons, Redguards and Orcs the ones who haven't gotten an "expansion" using your terminology.9 -
Czeri✭✭✭✭✭TheNuminous1 wrote: »
Bosmer culture may not be your cup of tea but the community still deserves full bosmeri updates regardless of if you dont find them enjoyable. Everything you don't like about them I love.
Obviously each of us can only speak for ourselves. But that makes framing your preference as what the "community deserves" disingenuous. At least make a poll first...2 -
Vanya✭✭✭✭✭Always an amusing scenario to witness Bearded Bosmer, I mean Elder scrolls representation of elves its strange sometimes,Short Skinny Bosmer with a huge beard is a bit comical and maybe I would dare to say Lore inappropriate overall regarding Elves, or I maybe I was just used a lot to elves of Tolkien's Legendarium ,mayhaps indeed.1
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VaranisArano✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭spartaxoxo wrote: »VaranisArano wrote: »Back of the bus Argonians have not even had an expansion yet or hammerfell. They said a long time ago that they want each race that didn't have an expansion or complete in base game to get one first. There is only black marsh and hammerfell left. First dungeon dlc slightly hints black marsh 2022. So likely hammerfell expac 2023. Once these are done they will go back to filling in places that need more. The only possible expansion for we would be fallinesti as everything else is complete but your still likely going to have to wait as I think Morrowind expansion will 2023.
Um, I seem to recall this 100% Argonian centered dlc called Murkmire. Did I imagine that one?
A dlc is not an expansion and you know it.
Well, if we're talking Chapters specifically, the Orcs haven't gotten one either. No, Orsinium is not a Chapter - it's a DLC.
Which puts the Bosmer solidly in last place without even a DLC zone to their name, since Redguards have Hew's Bane and the Argonians have Murkmire.
That's only because chapters didn't exist yet, Wrothgar is the size of a chapter.
As I've said in the past, Orsinium was the DLC the marketing department wishes was the first Chapter.
Nevertheless, if we're being nitpicky about Chapters vs DLC (and we were being pretty nitpicky, discussing "A dlc is not an expansion and you know it."), then Orsinium is a DLC, not a Chapter. And thus the Orcs have never gotten a Chapter zone.1 -
VaranisArano✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Always an amusing scenario to witness Bearded Bosmer, I mean Elder scrolls representation of elves its strange sometimes,Short Skinny Bosmer with a huge beard is a bit comical and maybe I would dare to say Lore inappropriate overall regarding Elves, or I maybe I was just used a lot to elves of Tolkien's Legendarium ,mayhaps indeed.
With all love to Tolkien, these aren't Tolkien's elves.7 -
NotaDaedraWorshipper✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭if you can't see all the bosmers and bosmer themed stuff (including furniture) then maybe that's because you don't know they're also called wood elves
They barely have any furniture. They are probably the most lacking in furniture of all races. It wouldn't surprise me if 50% of their items are urns!Moonsprite wrote: »I would like some nature themed furniture that isn’t skulls, bones, and animal skins. I like the spriggan aesthetic and wish there was decor in that theme. It would also be nice to find some Bosmer culture that maybe wasn’t all Green pact, eat your neighbor, lore.
Then it wouldn't be wood elves. Stop wanting Elder Scrolls mer to be some other type of elf they aren't. If you want more organic furniture then look at Telvanni, but don't force that on bosmer.
They deserve more furniture, but it should be according to their lore. They are told to be amazing craftsmen when it comes to leather, bone, horn etc. and it deserves to be shown more. Just look at their costumes, they are gorgerous.
I definitely want to see more furniture of them (Which again is very lacking) that shows this. Not just tie two tusks together and throw a hide over something that hasn't been altered in any way.[Lie] Of course! I don't even worship Daedra!9 -
FrancisCrawford✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »Always an amusing scenario to witness Bearded Bosmer, I mean Elder scrolls representation of elves its strange sometimes,Short Skinny Bosmer with a huge beard is a bit comical and maybe I would dare to say Lore inappropriate overall regarding Elves, or I maybe I was just used a lot to elves of Tolkien's Legendarium ,mayhaps indeed.
With all love to Tolkien, these aren't Tolkien's elves.
In the Germanic tradition, elves kind of blended into dwarves.
Most obvously, the "Alb" in "Alberich" -- dwarf king and at least in Wagner's version crafter of Der Ring Des Nibelungens -- means "elf".0 -
BlueRaven✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Just for clarification;
Is the Gold Coast NOT considered an Imperial xpac? I know it’s more colovian, but still...
Abahs landing is not considered a redguard dlc? Nor is Craglorn?
Belkarth too small to be considered orc content? Giving them two zones?Edited by BlueRaven on March 20, 2021 7:25PM2 -
NotaDaedraWorshipper✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Just for clarification;
Is the Gold Coast NOT considered an Imperial xpac? I know it’s more colovian, but still...
Abahs landing is not considered a redguard dlc? Nor is Craglorn?
Belkarth too small to be considered orc content? Giving them two zones?
I don't consider the Gold Coast Imperial, because it's mainly focused on the Dark Brotherhood, which you must side with.
Same as I consider Abah's Landing Thieves Guild themed. Are they in Cyrodiil/Hammerfell? Yes, but neither the area nor imperials/redguards are a focus.[Lie] Of course! I don't even worship Daedra!3 -
Loralai_907✭✭✭✭✭
✭I recognize that Bosmer content is not for everyone. But man, they are just my absolute favorite. I loved the stories in the base game zones. The lore is super interesting too. I would personally LOVE more Bosmer content, new houses and furniture plans. More lore and stories. Most of the other races I just can't get into their lore, except Orcs, but even with them I'm just not quite as fascinated with them. Like, ok neat story. But with the Bosmer, I just get heart eyed about them lol. I dont mind if we have to wait a bit, I get needing to not only be thoughtful about including all the races but also sort of balancing the three factions in a way. I just hope that someday we do get the more that some of us really want.PC-NA - formerly, mommadani907Guild: Weeping Angels - Co-GMTwitter: @ Loralai_907 several Alt accounts....CP 1700+Active characters:Fauna Rosewood ( Bosmer Stam DK - Master Crafter/AD)///Loralai Darknova (Drunken Zombie Bosmer Stam Sorc - PvP/AD)Lilith Darknova ( Dunmer Mag DK - Master Crafter - PvP/AD)///and roughly 1billion alts10 -
ElvenOverlord✭✭✭✭TheNuminous1 wrote: »I can't say I'd be interested in a Bosmer-themed expansion. The three Bosmer zones currently in the game are by far my least favourite, to the point where I dread having to replay them on a new character. They're annoyingly difficult to navigate, and the Bosmer culture creeps me out. I mean, the quest where you need to find and sentence to death a character that picked a flower makes me "nope" through the whole thing. As does the one where villagers poison themselves to poison their attackers, because they're cannibals. Or the one in Reaper's March where Bosmer try to cook the mage's wife...
I agree, though, that seeing more Bosmer furniture would be interesting, so maybe a mini DLC about Falinesti would be all right.
Bosmer culture may not be your cup of tea but the community still deserves full bosmeri updates regardless of if you dont find them enjoyable. Everything you don't like about them I love.
Exactly. Just because someone is subjectively uncomfortable about a culture does not mean we should all be deprived of fully exploring that culture. Everyone has their own opinion on a race or culture that's fine but that is not a valid argument on whether it should be more added to the game on that culture or not.5 -
Cundu_Ertur✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭TheNuminous1 wrote: »At this point we have gotten content for almost all the races. Except maybe Breton but even then they have the reachmen to help branch their lore.
But valenwood got fully done in the base game and we haven't had anything new for them. No bosmer themes pets. No bosmer themed mounts outside of crown crate wild hunt mounts.
Heck even the wild hunt crates just had a couple hats.
People have suggested an aurbis zone Falinesti dlc, I even would be ok with a spacial anomaly zone like that special cave that disappears in greenshade.
Whatever the case it's offensive that we have had such little love for one of my favorite races.
Lots and lots of lore that could have been elaborated on they skimped over in the base game.
What do yall think? Should the wood elves see some new stuff? Anyone got suggestions and ideas?
I would like to see Wood Elves exist at all. Right now, they don't. In the lore, Bosmer are stealthy -- not in ESO. In the lore, Bosmer are the absolute best at archery. Not sword-play, or axe-wielding, or dual dagger slicing -- ARCHERY. In ESO, they aren't especially good at archery compared with other races, and a Bosmer with a bow is no better than a Bosmer with a sword. Bosmer racials are a mess, they really dropped the ball with them. I'm not talking from a parsing DPS sense, I mean from a continuity with the existing lore sense. In that regard, they're mostly crap.
So, for a non-existent race Bosmer are actually doing ok, I suppose. But it would be nice to get more Bosmeri furnishings. At least the provisioning fire that already exists as a model in the game (the campfire with the three tusks holding a pot over the fire, as featured in the artwork when you travel into the Snugpod or other Bosmer house).Taking stealth away from the Bosmer is like taking magic away from the Altmer, making Nords allergic to mead, or making Orcs pretty.3 -
SeaGtGruff✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I think Bosmer is the only race I haven't created a character for yet. The upcoming chapter seems like a good time to make one, what with Eveli Sharp-Arrow being a main(?) character in it.I've fought mudcrabs more fearsome than me!0 -
OneKhajiitCrimeWave✭✭✭✭✭
✭While I would not personally mind either way whether we get more Bosmeri content soon, I would like there to be a little more focus on their culture/how the green pact affects day to day. In the base game it did seem a little glossed over.
Like, we need more Bosmer furnishings and recipes in the game, seeing as we can't make Rotmeth yet. (I mean, the idea of it is vile, like it's fermented Gravy essentially but we make our characters eat and drink weird stuff lol)
I do feel like there's so many more stories to be told for each race and I hope ZOS get to each in time.Dark Flare is the Beginning, Radiant is the End. Hail the Light Bringers!0 -
Narvuntien✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Part of the problem is that the base game was somewhat rushed so with all the Bosmer stuff just gets sort of smeared out and not fully fleshed out. Although there is still a bunch of randomly good stuff there. But it is just not up to modern ESO standards, particularly when they were still struggling with the identity of the game back then.
There are options for Bosmer DLC, Falinesti, even the ability of spinners to change the past means you can do some completely whacky stuff where you go back in time to save the world in some way.
Maybe we will get touches of Bosmer in Blackwood because Eveli Sharp Eye and the Elf from City of Ash who is an expert of the Deadlands.3
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