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Why such a content blackout with Bosmer.
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At this point we have gotten content for almost all the races. Except maybe Breton but even then they have the reachmen to help branch their lore.
But valenwood got fully done in the base game and we haven't had anything new for them. No bosmer themes pets. No bosmer themed mounts outside of crown crate wild hunt mounts.
Heck even the wild hunt crates just had a couple hats.
People have suggested an aurbis zone Falinesti dlc, I even would be ok with a spacial anomaly zone like that special cave that disappears in greenshade.
Whatever the case it's offensive that we have had such little love for one of my favorite races.
Lots and lots of lore that could have been elaborated on they skimped over in the base game.
What do yall think? Should the wood elves see some new stuff? Anyone got suggestions and ideas?
Edited by ZOS_Icy on July 3, 2022 12:45PM But valenwood got fully done in the base game and we haven't had anything new for them. No bosmer themes pets. No bosmer themed mounts outside of crown crate wild hunt mounts.
Heck even the wild hunt crates just had a couple hats.
People have suggested an aurbis zone Falinesti dlc, I even would be ok with a spacial anomaly zone like that special cave that disappears in greenshade.
Whatever the case it's offensive that we have had such little love for one of my favorite races.
Lots and lots of lore that could have been elaborated on they skimped over in the base game.
What do yall think? Should the wood elves see some new stuff? Anyone got suggestions and ideas?
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Ascarl✭✭✭✭✭I think this somewhat balances the base game where 3 out of 5 major zones have been centered around Bosmer.27 -
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✭✭✭✭Of course we need more content for/around Bosmer. First of all, decent furniture... I mean, you can make a lot cooler things out of bones, leather, scales, etc. than what the Bosmer got up to now (without being too "civilized").9 -
Aptonoth✭✭✭✭✭[snip] Argonians have not even had an expansion yet or hammerfell. They said a long time ago that they want each race that didn't have an expansion or complete in base game to get one first. There is only black marsh and hammerfell left. First dungeon dlc slightly hints black marsh 2022. So likely hammerfell expac 2023. Once these are done they will go back to filling in places that need more. The only possible expansion for we would be fallinesti as everything else is complete but your still likely going to have to wait as I think Morrowind expansion will 2023.
[Edited to remove Offensive Content]Edited by ZOS_ConnorG on March 21, 2021 2:05PM2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭How can this be offensive? Come on guys...
I thought the three Valenwood zones were more than enough and I have no idea what else we could get for Bosmer. On top of that the Valenwood zones are one of my least favorite in the game (next to the Skyrim zones, because they’re all too similar). It’s the same for Bretons, they were covered with 3.5 zones and I guess we won’t get anything from them in the future and I’m fine with it, base game offers enough.
Elsweyr was so good because it gave us more of a very underdeveloped race. I hope Blackwood will do the same for Argonians. Greymoor in between was just more boring Skyrim human stuff of which we have already too much in the game. But I personally hope for a Redguard chapter next, set in the desert or in a very lush tropical setting (I know it’s more humans, but Redguards have been very underdeveloped in ESO as well).
I‘m up for Falinesti or something Daedra related with Bosmer, in 2-3 years.PS5EUAldmeri Dominion- Khajiit Arcanist -12 -
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✭Back of the bus Argonians have not even had an expansion yet or hammerfell. They said a long time ago that they want each race that didn't have an expansion or complete in base game to get one first. There is only black marsh and hammerfell left. First dungeon dlc slightly hints black marsh 2022. So likely hammerfell expac 2023. Once these are done they will go back to filling in places that need more. The only possible expansion for we would be fallinesti as everything else is complete but your still likely going to have to wait as I think Morrowind expansion will 2023.
Um, I seem to recall this 100% Argonian centered dlc called Murkmire. Did I imagine that one?38 -
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Vanya✭✭✭✭✭Shortlings Bosmer.Furballs Khajit ,All of them are insignificant, matters not to me. Tis important the ascended mastery and impossible gorgeousness of my Altmer High Kin ladies
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✭Back of the bus Argonians have not even had an expansion yet or hammerfell. They said a long time ago that they want each race that didn't have an expansion or complete in base game to get one first. There is only black marsh and hammerfell left. First dungeon dlc slightly hints black marsh 2022. So likely hammerfell expac 2023. Once these are done they will go back to filling in places that need more. The only possible expansion for we would be fallinesti as everything else is complete but your still likely going to have to wait as I think Morrowind expansion will 2023.
Um, I seem to recall this 100% Argonian centered dlc called Murkmire. Did I imagine that one?
Skooma probably.
Murkmire was great, just a bit to little ^^[ PC EU ]
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✭✭✭✭✭Although the base game contains all of Valenwood, there are still areas nearby which haven't been added to the game yet, and they could reasonably be given some Bosmer content when (or if) they're eventually added.
For instance, there's that "missing" central section of Elsweyr, which connects to Valenwood.
And there's a road heading north out of Arenthia in Reaper's March that ends at a wall with a locked gate, leading to a section of Cyrodiil which isn't in the game yet.
Then there's the portion of Cyrodiil which is north of Malabal Tor and east of the Gold Coast.
Surely any or all of those areas could contain some Bosmer content?
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Aptonoth✭✭✭✭✭Back of the bus Argonians have not even had an expansion yet or hammerfell. They said a long time ago that they want each race that didn't have an expansion or complete in base game to get one first. There is only black marsh and hammerfell left. First dungeon dlc slightly hints black marsh 2022. So likely hammerfell expac 2023. Once these are done they will go back to filling in places that need more. The only possible expansion for we would be fallinesti as everything else is complete but your still likely going to have to wait as I think Morrowind expansion will 2023.
Um, I seem to recall this 100% Argonian centered dlc called Murkmire. Did I imagine that one?
A dlc is not an expansion and you know it.5 -
Czeri✭✭✭✭✭I can't say I'd be interested in a Bosmer-themed expansion. The three Bosmer zones currently in the game are by far my least favourite, to the point where I dread having to replay them on a new character. They're annoyingly difficult to navigate, and the Bosmer culture creeps me out. I mean, the quest where you need to find and sentence to death a character that picked a flower makes me "nope" through the whole thing. As does the one where villagers poison themselves to poison their attackers, because they're cannibals. Or the one in Reaper's March where Bosmer try to cook the mage's wife...
I agree, though, that seeing more Bosmer furniture would be interesting, so maybe a mini DLC about Falinesti would be all right.7 -
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✭Well, they did bring back Eveli Sharp-Arrow so that may be some type of foreshadowing...3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Problem with new Bosmer content is actually, exactly what you have pointed out OP - They kinda run out of land mass...
I mean, their entire homeland is already in the game, right ? Same for Altmers & Khajiits. In that terms, race that is lacking the most when it comes to zones & land are probably Argonians.
I mean, They have one base game zone and one story DLC zone and maybe (if you would even count this) some small various settlements / camps scattered here and there (that won't probably make even for a story dlc zone, maybe a base game starter zone at best).
I mean, they are the only race in the game that do not have their home province yet. Granted this may change with this year's story DLC, but that depends if ZOS will add more Balckmarsh (Argonian Chapter) or more Nibenay (Imperial Chapter).
Only way I can see more Bosmer related content is if we will have some kind of daedric realm added (Hircine maybe, because you know, Bosmer & hunting). But other than that, I don't know what Bosmer zone ZOS can add, since all of them are already in the game.3 -
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✭✭✭✭Bosmer culture creeps me out. I mean, the quest where you need to find and sentence to death a character that picked a flower makes me "nope" through the whole thing. As does the one where villagers poison themselves to poison their attackers, because they're cannibals. Or the one in Reaper's March where Bosmer try to cook the mage's wife...
But it is precisely the extreme, radical views and behavior of the Bosmer, resulting from the Green Pact, that makes their culture special and interesting. I don't want to imagine that instead they were all just peaceful hippies with wreaths of flowers in their hair.
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✭✭✭✭✭Back of the bus Argonians have not even had an expansion yet or hammerfell. They said a long time ago that they want each race that didn't have an expansion or complete in base game to get one first. There is only black marsh and hammerfell left. First dungeon dlc slightly hints black marsh 2022. So likely hammerfell expac 2023. Once these are done they will go back to filling in places that need more. The only possible expansion for we would be fallinesti as everything else is complete but your still likely going to have to wait as I think Morrowind expansion will 2023.
Um, I seem to recall this 100% Argonian centered dlc called Murkmire. Did I imagine that one?
A dlc is not an expansion and you know it.
Well, if we're talking Chapters specifically, the Orcs haven't gotten one either. No, Orsinium is not a Chapter - it's a DLC.
Which puts the Bosmer solidly in last place without even a DLC zone to their name, since Redguards have Hew's Bane and the Argonians have Murkmire.Edited by VaranisArano on March 20, 2021 11:21AM13 -
Czeri✭✭✭✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »Back of the bus Argonians have not even had an expansion yet or hammerfell. They said a long time ago that they want each race that didn't have an expansion or complete in base game to get one first. There is only black marsh and hammerfell left. First dungeon dlc slightly hints black marsh 2022. So likely hammerfell expac 2023. Once these are done they will go back to filling in places that need more. The only possible expansion for we would be fallinesti as everything else is complete but your still likely going to have to wait as I think Morrowind expansion will 2023.
Um, I seem to recall this 100% Argonian centered dlc called Murkmire. Did I imagine that one?
A dlc is not an expansion and you know it.
Well, if we're talking Chapters specifically, the Orcs haven't gotten one either. No, Orsinium is not a Chapter - it's a DLC.
Which puts the Bosmer solidly in last place without even a DLC zone to their name, since Redguards have Hew's Bane and the Argonians have Murkmire.
Bretons didn't get anything either. And by far the worst treated are imperials, because their zones have little in the way of quests showing their culture.4 -
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✭✭✭✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »Back of the bus Argonians have not even had an expansion yet or hammerfell. They said a long time ago that they want each race that didn't have an expansion or complete in base game to get one first. There is only black marsh and hammerfell left. First dungeon dlc slightly hints black marsh 2022. So likely hammerfell expac 2023. Once these are done they will go back to filling in places that need more. The only possible expansion for we would be fallinesti as everything else is complete but your still likely going to have to wait as I think Morrowind expansion will 2023.
Um, I seem to recall this 100% Argonian centered dlc called Murkmire. Did I imagine that one?
A dlc is not an expansion and you know it.
Well, if we're talking Chapters specifically, the Orcs haven't gotten one either. No, Orsinium is not a Chapter - it's a DLC.
Which puts the Bosmer solidly in last place without even a DLC zone to their name, since Redguards have Hew's Bane and the Argonians have Murkmire.
Bretons didn't get anything either. And by far the worst treated are imperials, because their zones have little in the way of quests showing their culture.
True, regular Bretons haven't gotten a DLC or Chapter, unless you count the Reachmen who are physically if not culturally Breton. Then again, like the Redguards, there's plenty of speculation that ZOS may steer clear of the Iliac Bay for TES VI. Who knows?!
I'd disagree on the Imperials. Not only are they about to get the Blackwood Chapter, but the Imperial City questline is fantastic and offers a number of glimpses into the way the Empire fell and how its people are dealing with it. The Gold Coast also deals heavily with the politics and culture of that area which has made its own way since the fall of the Empire. Maybe it's not all that Imperial fans could hope for, but we've seen enough of them before this to make Blackwood potentially very interesting.Edited by VaranisArano on March 20, 2021 11:49AM1 -
ElvenOverlord✭✭✭✭Dude 4 of the 5 zones you level in for the Dominion are all in Bosmer territory: Grahtwood, Greenshade, Malabal Tor and Reaper's March which borders Elsweyr. That is more than enough. Little to much actually. Pact story line is more balanced with the first two zones being in Morrowind, one in Black Marsh and the last two in Skyrim. Considering only 4 tribes of Argonians are even a part of the Pact they still get a zone.
Bosmer are fine for now, they have a significant amount of content. If you want more for them that's fine but actual races such as Argonian and Redguard should be priority cause they have less content than the Bosmer.1 -
Czeri✭✭✭✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »VaranisArano wrote: »Back of the bus Argonians have not even had an expansion yet or hammerfell. They said a long time ago that they want each race that didn't have an expansion or complete in base game to get one first. There is only black marsh and hammerfell left. First dungeon dlc slightly hints black marsh 2022. So likely hammerfell expac 2023. Once these are done they will go back to filling in places that need more. The only possible expansion for we would be fallinesti as everything else is complete but your still likely going to have to wait as I think Morrowind expansion will 2023.
Um, I seem to recall this 100% Argonian centered dlc called Murkmire. Did I imagine that one?
A dlc is not an expansion and you know it.
Well, if we're talking Chapters specifically, the Orcs haven't gotten one either. No, Orsinium is not a Chapter - it's a DLC.
Which puts the Bosmer solidly in last place without even a DLC zone to their name, since Redguards have Hew's Bane and the Argonians have Murkmire.
Bretons didn't get anything either. And by far the worst treated are imperials, because their zones have little in the way of quests showing their culture.
True, regular Bretons haven't gotten a DLC or Chapter, unless you count the Reachmen who are physically if not culturally Breton. Then again, like the Redguards, there's plenty of speculation that ZOS may steer clear of the Iliac Bay for TES VI. Who knows?!
I'd disagree on the Imperials. Not only are they about to get the Blackwood Chapter, but the Imperial City questline is fantastic and offers a number of glimpses into the way the Empire fell and how its people are dealing with it. The Gold Coast also deals heavily with the politics and culture of that area which has made its own way since the fall of the Empire. Maybe it's not all that Imperial fans could hope for, but we've seen enough of them before this to make Blackwood potentially very interesting.
I'll have to take your word for the Imperial City questline being good, because it's not accessible for my type of game-play. And I expect I'm not alone in this...4 -
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✭✭Really dislike the Bosmer - the whole Green Pact thing is awful. I too dislike the 3 (THREE) base game zones & tend to skip them, at least Malabal Tor.
Though I must say I find it amusing that the Elder Scrolls has gone against the usual trope of wood elves.0 -
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✭✭There are less blank space on map with every year and not every place is interesting enough to make a chapter around it or it's to repetive (I don't really need whole Black Marsh with again argonians and swamps after Murkmire and Blackwood). If there is not ESO 2 in work, I really hope that someday we will have some idea to start filling new version of Tamriel - for example some time travel concept to introduce 3-4th Era Tamriel and making remakes of completely new zones. Imagine not destroyed Cyrodiil, Breton or Bosmer zones with today chapter quality, with new and old places looking completely different.
We had already quests around time travelling, one time traveler was in Blackreach public dungeon, so why not using this to make new content in already used parts of world?PC | EU | DC |Stam Dk Breton2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Back of the bus Argonians have not even had an expansion yet or hammerfell. They said a long time ago that they want each race that didn't have an expansion or complete in base game to get one first. There is only black marsh and hammerfell left. First dungeon dlc slightly hints black marsh 2022. So likely hammerfell expac 2023. Once these are done they will go back to filling in places that need more. The only possible expansion for we would be fallinesti as everything else is complete but your still likely going to have to wait as I think Morrowind expansion will 2023.
Um, I seem to recall this 100% Argonian centered dlc called Murkmire. Did I imagine that one?
A dlc is not an expansion and you know it.
Wait, what? I guess you're using "expansion" in a sense that some other MMOs do, because I for one certainly classify a DLC as an "expansion." Imperial City, Thieves Guild, Dark Brotherhood, and Orsinium were DLCs that predated the introduction of "chapters" which can't be bought with Crowns-- until the next chapter gets released, anyway-- yet those were "expansions" to the game. Or do you not think of them as such?I've fought mudcrabs more fearsome than me!5 -
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✭✭✭✭✭The new chapter will heavily feature Imperials and argonians, for those of you who feel keeping score is important.
I personally would love a falenesti themed dlc, (mainly as it would bring the wood elf-stealth issue to the forefront) the problem is what follows though. Is the tree back? Where do they put it?
It would have to be something like, “And thanks to your efforts the tree will return in 100 years” or the like, hardly satisfying.
I think a wild hunt dlc about hircine may be more plausible. With the wood elves being in the deadric princes land.4 -
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✭✭✭✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »Back of the bus Argonians have not even had an expansion yet or hammerfell. They said a long time ago that they want each race that didn't have an expansion or complete in base game to get one first. There is only black marsh and hammerfell left. First dungeon dlc slightly hints black marsh 2022. So likely hammerfell expac 2023. Once these are done they will go back to filling in places that need more. The only possible expansion for we would be fallinesti as everything else is complete but your still likely going to have to wait as I think Morrowind expansion will 2023.
Um, I seem to recall this 100% Argonian centered dlc called Murkmire. Did I imagine that one?
A dlc is not an expansion and you know it.
Well, if we're talking Chapters specifically, the Orcs haven't gotten one either. No, Orsinium is not a Chapter - it's a DLC.
Which puts the Bosmer solidly in last place without even a DLC zone to their name, since Redguards have Hew's Bane and the Argonians have Murkmire.
That's only because chapters didn't exist yet, Wrothgar is the size of a chapter.8 -
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Yes, granted the Reaper's March zone is shared between Bosmer and Khajiit but its still 3.5 zone.ElvenOverlord wrote: »Dude 4 of the 5 zones you level in for the Dominion are all in Bosmer territory: Grahtwood, Greenshade, Malabal Tor and Reaper's March which borders Elsweyr. That is more than enough. Little to much actually. Pact story line is more balanced with the first two zones being in Morrowind, one in Black Marsh and the last two in Skyrim. Considering only 4 tribes of Argonians are even a part of the Pact they still get a zone.
Bosmer are fine for now, they have a significant amount of content. If you want more for them that's fine but actual races such as Argonian and Redguard should be priority cause they have less content than the Bosmer.
Now one question is where to put it. to the East we have Elsweyr, to the north we have the area between the gold coast and Cyrodil who was also in TES 4 Oblivion and contains Skingrad.
Grinding just make you go in circles.
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✭✭✭✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »VaranisArano wrote: »Back of the bus Argonians have not even had an expansion yet or hammerfell. They said a long time ago that they want each race that didn't have an expansion or complete in base game to get one first. There is only black marsh and hammerfell left. First dungeon dlc slightly hints black marsh 2022. So likely hammerfell expac 2023. Once these are done they will go back to filling in places that need more. The only possible expansion for we would be fallinesti as everything else is complete but your still likely going to have to wait as I think Morrowind expansion will 2023.
Um, I seem to recall this 100% Argonian centered dlc called Murkmire. Did I imagine that one?
A dlc is not an expansion and you know it.
Well, if we're talking Chapters specifically, the Orcs haven't gotten one either. No, Orsinium is not a Chapter - it's a DLC.
Which puts the Bosmer solidly in last place without even a DLC zone to their name, since Redguards have Hew's Bane and the Argonians have Murkmire.
Bretons didn't get anything either. And by far the worst treated are imperials, because their zones have little in the way of quests showing their culture.
True, regular Bretons haven't gotten a DLC or Chapter, unless you count the Reachmen who are physically if not culturally Breton. Then again, like the Redguards, there's plenty of speculation that ZOS may steer clear of the Iliac Bay for TES VI. Who knows?!
I'd disagree on the Imperials. Not only are they about to get the Blackwood Chapter, but the Imperial City questline is fantastic and offers a number of glimpses into the way the Empire fell and how its people are dealing with it. The Gold Coast also deals heavily with the politics and culture of that area which has made its own way since the fall of the Empire. Maybe it's not all that Imperial fans could hope for, but we've seen enough of them before this to make Blackwood potentially very interesting.
I'll have to take your word for the Imperial City questline being good, because it's not accessible for my type of game-play. And I expect I'm not alone in this...
It was really good. I did it when imperial city shared its population with cyrodiil making it much less busy. (I don’t pvp either.)
It’s a shame that storyline is not open to more people.
Maybe a guild you are in can form a large group to do it?1 -
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✭I can't say I'd be interested in a Bosmer-themed expansion. The three Bosmer zones currently in the game are by far my least favourite, to the point where I dread having to replay them on a new character. They're annoyingly difficult to navigate, and the Bosmer culture creeps me out. I mean, the quest where you need to find and sentence to death a character that picked a flower makes me "nope" through the whole thing. As does the one where villagers poison themselves to poison their attackers, because they're cannibals. Or the one in Reaper's March where Bosmer try to cook the mage's wife...
I agree, though, that seeing more Bosmer furniture would be interesting, so maybe a mini DLC about Falinesti would be all right.
Bosmer culture may not be your cup of tea but the community still deserves full bosmeri updates regardless of if you dont find them enjoyable. Everything you don't like about them I love.15
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