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How can i hide my stuff for the Group-Loot Add-On
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xAarionx✭✭✭People treating as seeing what you're dropping, a freaking virtual item on an online game as an invasion of Privacy, like i'm peaking through the window of your house, is something completly nonsensical
Edited by xAarionx on March 19, 2021 6:37PM2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭spartaxoxo wrote: »perfiction wrote: »Actually no, you are wrong. Read the above and stop putting the blame on players/addons - they are not spying on anyone, they are reading public data.
It's not public data if you have to use specialized tools to read it.
You are intercepting information that is NOT made easily publicly available by zos but instead requires 3rd party software and making it public.
that's like saying "some public records are not public records because you have to request them or go to the relevant offices to have access to them"
public records aren't only those the govrnement sends you home in letters.
group loot it is data explicitly made accessible by zos for the purpose of addons.
so yes it is public data. anybody that wants it can get it. and is allowed to have it by the powers that are.
No. It is not. As public data is stated visibly and readily to be publicly available prior to the ability to request them. They don't require any interception at all.
This is NOT the case with this information. Nowhere does it state anywhere in game that the information is avaiable upon request, nor does ZOS give that information readily. Instead you must intercept messages hidden from ready view entirely, and then make that information public.
Information that is not secured and public information are not the same thing. Insecured information maybe public or it maybe private.
Public data is what ZOS tells us is public, you don't have to do anything special to know it's public and it's avaiable to ALL.Edited by spartaxoxo on March 19, 2021 6:43PM2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭People treating as seeing what you're dropping, a freaking virtual item on an online game as an invasion of Privacy, like i'm peaking through the window of your house, is something completly nonsensical
People having to look into my bag to see if I have a virtual item that they can take from me, as though this is perfectly acceptable, is completely nonsensical.Edited by SilverBride on March 19, 2021 6:53PMPCNA5 -
remosito✭✭✭✭✭spartaxoxo wrote: »perfiction wrote: »spartaxoxo wrote: »specialized tools to read it.spartaxoxo wrote: »You are intercepting information that is NOT made easily publicly available by zos
You have no idea what you are talking about kind sir. Let's say you have your favourite weather synopsis website. That website has public API allowing to get weather information for specific regions. You decide to use that API in your mobile app to get weather info from them and show it on your lock screen (because why not). Does it mean that you are intercepting information that is NOT made easily publicly available?
No more responses to you, you have clearly no clue how ESO API works and how addons utilize it. They can't intercept information without ZOS permission. Addons can do only things that ZOS allows and utilize data that ZOS shares.
It's not about how it functions. It's about what is public or not. It is not public if they aren't the ones making it public. ZOS has it private by default in the game and gives no in-game options to make it public. That by the defintion of privacy, makes it private.
I think you don't know how eso and addons and the public api works.
there are many many thousands of lines of codes and variables and constants in the game. much of it is not accessible at all. it is private to zos.
anything that is in the api that addons can use is put in there on purpose by zos to make it publicly and legally accessible.
They actually ARE the ones making it public.
if y'all could stop targetting us fellow players for using the addon. stating we have no right to access that public information. We do. ZOS gave it to us.
And instead target ZOS. And demand from them they stop making that info public because what drops for you is yours and nobody elses business...
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✭✭Would people be satisfied if ZoS made group content drops be group content drops and have everyone roll for loot they want like in a proper cooperative multiplayer game?0 -
remosito✭✭✭✭✭SilverBride wrote: »People treating as seeing what you're dropping, a freaking virtual item on an online game as an invasion of Privacy, like i'm peaking through the window of your house, is something completly nonsensical
People treating having to look into my bag to see if I have a freaking virtual item in an online game that they can take from me as though this is perfectly acceptable is completely nonsensical.
they dont look into your bag at all.
zos simply tells others what leaft the mobs backback and was flying towards what player.
so how about stop attacking your fellow players for looking at what zos gives us as information.
and instead start to attack zos for sharing the info in the first place????
wouldnt that be lovely..ShutYerTrap (selectively mute NPC dialogues (stuga, companions); displayleads (antiquity leads location); UndauntedPledgeQueuer (small daily undaunted dungeon queuer window)0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭anything that is in the api that addons can use is put in there on purpose by zos to make it publicly and legally accessible
ZOS isn't always doing it to make stuff publicly accessible for addons, and in fact have had to retract information because they did NOT want addons to be using it. Just because they haven't bothered to secure it yet does NOT mean they are intending for you to make an Add-ons with it..
so how about stop attacking your fellow players for looking at what zos gives us as information.
I will stop seeing fault in some players who are using the addons when they stop protesting against making participation in the app unforced.
Edited by spartaxoxo on March 19, 2021 6:57PM6 -
AinSoph✭✭✭✭✭I'm part of the crowd where if you don't have a loot addon, I won't trade because I don't feel like looking through things. If you see something that I have that you want you better ask for it and if you don't have the addon...well it's not like you knew the thing you want dropped right?2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭if y'all could stop targetting us fellow players for using the addon. stating we have no right to access that public information. We do. ZOS gave it to us.
And instead target ZOS. And demand from them they stop making that info public because what drops for you is yours and nobody elses business...
Who is targeting who here? The OP is asking for a way to stop others from seeing his drops. Many of us support that. We are the ones being targeted by players who don't want us to stop them harassing us for our items.
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✭✭SilverBride wrote: »
People treating having to look into my bag to see if I have a freaking virtual item in an online game that they can take from me as though this is perfectly acceptable is completely nonsensical.
For what its worth they only look at what you take from a dead boss/mob/chest and put in your bag not into your bag itself. Probably does not change anything for you tho.Politeness is respecting others.
Courage is doing what is fair.
Modesty is speaking of oneself without vanity.
Self control is keeping calm even when anger rises.
Sincerity is expressing oneself without concealing ones thoughts.
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Viewsfrom6ix✭✭✭✭✭Every time this type of thread comes up, it always leads to no where.
At the end of the day, ZOS owns all our data in the game and what they want to do with it is their business and in this case they made group loot public via an API.
Don't go talking about privacy because if you read the EULA, you've agreed to them collecting your data.
From the EULA
You agree that any and all Game related character data is stored and is resident on ZeniMax computers and servers, and any and all communications that you make within the Game (including, but not limited to, messages solely directed at another player or group of players) traverse through ZeniMax computers and servers, may or may not be monitored by us or our agents, you have no expectation of privacy in any such communications and expressly consent to such monitoring of communications you send and receive.
We also don't even own the game ourselves. We're paying for their service and they can cease the service at any time without us seeing a dime back.
From the EULA
ZeniMax and its licensors are and will continue to be the owner of all right, title, and interest in and to the Game and the Service, including without limitation all intellectual property rights and moral rights in and to the Game and all copies thereof (including without limitation any titles, software programs and code, Game related themes, characters, character names, character likenesses, stories, dialog, catch phrases, locations, concepts, artwork, character inventories, structural, landscape and other designs in the Game, animations, sounds, musical compositions and recordings, audio-visual effects, storylines, methods of operation, and any related documentation). The Game is protected by the copyright laws of the United States, international treaties and conventions, and other laws. The Game may contain materials licensed by third parties, and the licensors of those materials may enforce their rights in the event of any violation of this Agreement. This paragraph will survive the termination of this Agreement. You acknowledge and agree that you have no interest, monetary or otherwise, in any feature or content contained in the Game. As further described in the ZeniMax Terms of Service, but subject to the Statutory Obligations (as defined in Section 1 of the ZeniMax Terms of Service), ZeniMax may change, modify, suspend, or discontinue any aspect of the Game at any time and ZeniMax may also impose limits on certain features or restrict your access to parts or all of the Game without notice or liability.2 -
remosito✭✭✭✭✭spartaxoxo wrote: »anything that is in the api that addons can use is put in there on purpose by zos to make it publicly and legally accessible
ZOS isn't always doing it to make stuff publicly accessible for addons, and in fact have had to retract information because they did NOT want addons to be using it. Just because they haven't bothered to secure it yet does NOT mean they are intending for you to make an Add-ons with it.
yes they are. if they didnt it wouldnt be in the api. and itvisvpermissable by zos tp use it until they retract the function from the api.
afaik.. retractions in the past only happened because they didnt forsee data being used in certain ways.
well. there is only one way the information about group loot can be reasonably expected to be used. that is to show teammates what dropped for everybody in the group. so I don't think this is one of those unforseen use cases.ShutYerTrap (selectively mute NPC dialogues (stuga, companions); displayleads (antiquity leads location); UndauntedPledgeQueuer (small daily undaunted dungeon queuer window)0 -
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✭✭spartaxoxo wrote: »
ZOS isn't always doing it to make stuff publicly accessible for addons, and in fact have had to retract information because they did NOT want addons to be using it. Just because they haven't bothered to secure it yet does NOT mean they are intending for you to make an Add-ons with it.
While that is true I find it more reasonable to assume that anything Zos puts out there is allowed until they say otherwise (or it is against TOS in some form) instead of the opposite.
And while Zos could change their mind about loot addons 7 years is quite the time to not bother with what is probably a few minutes of work.Politeness is respecting others.
Courage is doing what is fair.
Modesty is speaking of oneself without vanity.
Self control is keeping calm even when anger rises.
Sincerity is expressing oneself without concealing ones thoughts.
Honor is keeping ones word.1 -
remosito✭✭✭✭✭SilverBride wrote: »if y'all could stop targetting us fellow players for using the addon. stating we have no right to access that public information. We do. ZOS gave it to us.
And instead target ZOS. And demand from them they stop making that info public because what drops for you is yours and nobody elses business...
Who is targeting who here? The OP is asking for a way to stop others from seeing his drops. Many of us support that. We are the ones being targeted by players who don't want us to stop them harassing us for our items.
most of you are constantly saying "we spy, snoop, illegallily look into your bag, we have no right,...."
these are all targetting us statements like we are doing something bad.
we aint doing any of that ***.
ZOS is. and they are telling us.
Edited by remosito on March 19, 2021 7:01PMShutYerTrap (selectively mute NPC dialogues (stuga, companions); displayleads (antiquity leads location); UndauntedPledgeQueuer (small daily undaunted dungeon queuer window)0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Sanguinor2 wrote: »spartaxoxo wrote: »
ZOS isn't always doing it to make stuff publicly accessible for addons, and in fact have had to retract information because they did NOT want addons to be using it. Just because they haven't bothered to secure it yet does NOT mean they are intending for you to make an Add-ons with it.
While that is true I find it more reasonable to assume that anything Zos puts out there is allowed until they say otherwise (or it is against TOS in some form) instead of the opposite.
And while Zos could change their mind about loot addons 7 years is quite the time to not bother with what is probably a few minutes of work.
I personally find it much more reasonable to assume that ZOS is indiferent to the data being used moreso viewing it as being allowed, which implies a level of intent that I don't think is warranted when they have actually welcomed some addons while saying negative things about others and then removing their functionality.
When we have some apps embraced, some repudiated, and some uncommented on, I think it's best to view zos as not having a stance one way or another. Personally. 7 years is a long time tho.Edited by spartaxoxo on March 19, 2021 7:02PM3 -
SilverBride✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Viewsfrom6ix wrote: »You agree that any and all Game related character data is stored and is resident on ZeniMax computers and servers, and any and all communications that you make within the Game (including, but not limited to, messages solely directed at another player or group of players) traverse through ZeniMax computers and servers, may or may not be monitored by us or our agents, you have no expectation of privacy in any such communications and expressly consent to such monitoring of communications you send and receive.
That paragraph is specifically about messages and communication not being private between the player and ZoS that may or may not be monitored by us or our agents. It says nothing about privacy between players.
No other player has a right to your private communications and messages to others. Nor do they have a right to your privacy in any other aspect of the game.Edited by SilverBride on March 19, 2021 7:05PMPCNA2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭SilverBride wrote: »if y'all could stop targetting us fellow players for using the addon. stating we have no right to access that public information. We do. ZOS gave it to us.
And instead target ZOS. And demand from them they stop making that info public because what drops for you is yours and nobody elses business...
Who is targeting who here? The OP is asking for a way to stop others from seeing his drops. Many of us support that. We are the ones being targeted by players who don't want us to stop them harassing us for our items.
most of you are constantly saying "we spy, snoop, illegallily look into your bag, we have no right,...."
these are all targetting us statements like we are doing something bad.
we aint doing any of that ***.
ZOS is. and they are telling us.
That's because needing to use an app means you're an active participant to what is happening and not a bystander. If it was part of base game functionality, you'd share no "blame" (and that's a strong word but can't think of a better one atm) as to what is happening, and the perceived privacy violation would be entirely on ZOS.
But it's not. It's a third party program you have to go out of your way to use, and zos does NOT provide easy access to the information. They provide so little access in fact, that you cannot even do it on consoles.
That makes your actions intentional and makes you an accomplice to the perceived violation.Edited by spartaxoxo on March 19, 2021 7:06PM6 -
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✭✭✭✭✭ZOS is. and they are telling us.
most of you are constantly saying "we spy, snoop, illegallily look into your bag, we have no right,...."
these are all targetting us statements like we are doing something bad.
we aint doing any of that ***.
ZoS has a right to snoop into anything we do. You don't.PCNA2 -
Viewsfrom6ix✭✭✭✭✭SilverBride wrote: »Viewsfrom6ix wrote: »You agree that any and all Game related character data is stored and is resident on ZeniMax computers and servers, and any and all communications that you make within the Game (including, but not limited to, messages solely directed at another player or group of players) traverse through ZeniMax computers and servers, may or may not be monitored by us or our agents, you have no expectation of privacy in any such communications and expressly consent to such monitoring of communications you send and receive.
That paragraph is specifically about messages and communication not being private between the player and ZoS. It says nothing about privacy between players.
No other player has a right to your private communications and messages to others. Nor do they have a right to your privacy in any other aspect of the game.
I am aware of that. I am merely saying that we've all agreed on this EULA when creating an account for this game. We've AGREED that ZOS owns our data and they have full control over it, whether it is to keep it amongst themselves or share it in an API.Edited by Viewsfrom6ix on March 19, 2021 7:10PM0 -
remosito✭✭✭✭✭SilverBride wrote: »Viewsfrom6ix wrote: »You agree that any and all Game related character data is stored and is resident on ZeniMax computers and servers, and any and all communications that you make within the Game (including, but not limited to, messages solely directed at another player or group of players) traverse through ZeniMax computers and servers, may or may not be monitored by us or our agents, you have no expectation of privacy in any such communications and expressly consent to such monitoring of communications you send and receive.
That paragraph is specifically about messages and communication not being private between the player and ZoS that may or may not be monitored by us or our agents. It says nothing about privacy between players.
No other player has a right to your private communications and messages to others. Nor do they have a right to your privacy in any other aspect of the game.
except the group loot data is already on my computer. zos sent it there. and their game stores it there. and their api makes it public.
so all of us using the data are certainly not breaking any regulations.
now maybe you could use this against zos and demand they stop sharing group drops info.
good luck. petsonally I hope you fail. I like the addon and how it works. but all the power to you nonethelessShutYerTrap (selectively mute NPC dialogues (stuga, companions); displayleads (antiquity leads location); UndauntedPledgeQueuer (small daily undaunted dungeon queuer window)0 -
remosito✭✭✭✭✭SilverBride wrote: »ZOS is. and they are telling us.
most of you are constantly saying "we spy, snoop, illegallily look into your bag, we have no right,...."
these are all targetting us statements like we are doing something bad.
we aint doing any of that ***.
ZoS has a right to snoop into anything we do. You don't.
they sure have a right to snoop. but do they have right to share everything they learn with every other player?
I do not even snoop. zos tells me officially and publicly.Edited by remosito on March 19, 2021 7:15PMShutYerTrap (selectively mute NPC dialogues (stuga, companions); displayleads (antiquity leads location); UndauntedPledgeQueuer (small daily undaunted dungeon queuer window)0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Let's get back to what this thread is about.AngryOldMan wrote: »I am an angry old man who find it very intruding when my random group members ask for stuff i have looted, and not linked in chat. If i dont want to share with them, why should the Add-On do it? Where is my right to keep loot a secret? What settings do i need to adjust to protect my precious loot from prying eyes? If its not something i can adjust in settings, which Add-On is hiding my highly valued loot? If there aint an Add-On yet, can someone please make it so i can have my beloved loot for myself?
He has a right to feel this way. We have a right to agree and back him up.
I don't care it this addon makes it easier for you to complete your sets. It's not all about you.
If you want to use this with others who also agree to use it then by all means, go for it. But give the rest of us a chance to graciously bow out.PCNA5 -
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✭✭✭✭✭SilverBride wrote: »ZOS is. and they are telling us.
most of you are constantly saying "we spy, snoop, illegallily look into your bag, we have no right,...."
these are all targetting us statements like we are doing something bad.
we aint doing any of that ***.
ZoS has a right to snoop into anything we do. You don't.
they sure have a right to snoop. but do they have right to share everything they learn with every other player?
I do not even snoop. zos tells me officially and publicly.
A 3rd party addon is not an official part of the game.4 -
Viewsfrom6ix✭✭✭✭✭spartaxoxo wrote: »SilverBride wrote: »ZOS is. and they are telling us.
most of you are constantly saying "we spy, snoop, illegallily look into your bag, we have no right,...."
these are all targetting us statements like we are doing something bad.
we aint doing any of that ***.
ZoS has a right to snoop into anything we do. You don't.
they sure have a right to snoop. but do they have right to share everything they learn with every other player?
I do not even snoop. zos tells me officially and publicly.
A 3rd party addon is not an official part of the game.
3rd party? ZOS owns our data which we agreed to and made it available through a channel aka API. Read my comments above.0 -
Viewsfrom6ix✭✭✭✭✭SilverBride wrote: »Let's get back to what this thread is about.AngryOldMan wrote: »I am an angry old man who find it very intruding when my random group members ask for stuff i have looted, and not linked in chat. If i dont want to share with them, why should the Add-On do it? Where is my right to keep loot a secret? What settings do i need to adjust to protect my precious loot from prying eyes? If its not something i can adjust in settings, which Add-On is hiding my highly valued loot? If there aint an Add-On yet, can someone please make it so i can have my beloved loot for myself?
He has a right to feel this way. We have a right to agree and back him up.
I don't care it this addon makes it easier for you to complete your sets. It's not all about you.
If you want to use this with others who also agree to use it then by all means, go for it. But give the rest of us a chance to graciously bow out.
I can sympathize on this. Have your drops be viewable by default but you can opt-in to hide them.3 -
remosito✭✭✭✭✭spartaxoxo wrote: »SilverBride wrote: »ZOS is. and they are telling us.
most of you are constantly saying "we spy, snoop, illegallily look into your bag, we have no right,...."
these are all targetting us statements like we are doing something bad.
we aint doing any of that ***.
ZoS has a right to snoop into anything we do. You don't.
they sure have a right to snoop. but do they have right to share everything they learn with every other player?
I do not even snoop. zos tells me officially and publicly.
A 3rd party addon is not an official part of the game.
nope. but it is using an official part of the game that is put there for the express purpose of being used for addons.
Addons are an intended way of eso being played on pc. dont like it. play on console. or play a different game. or convince zos to remove that part of the api.
until they do. using the addon is an allowed way tobplay the game. and none of us are doing anything wrong.ShutYerTrap (selectively mute NPC dialogues (stuga, companions); displayleads (antiquity leads location); UndauntedPledgeQueuer (small daily undaunted dungeon queuer window)0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Addons are an intended way of eso being played on pc. dont like it. play on console. or play a different game. or convince zos to remove that part of the api.
until they do. using the addon is an allowed way tobplay the game. and none of us are doing anything wrong.
No, you aren't doing anything wrong for using this addon, as long as ZoS allows this. But not being wrong doesn't translate to being right.
How you then use the information is what many of us think is wrong.Edited by SilverBride on March 19, 2021 7:27PMPCNA4 -
remosito✭✭✭✭✭SilverBride wrote: »Let's get back to what this thread is about.AngryOldMan wrote: »I am an angry old man who find it very intruding when my random group members ask for stuff i have looted, and not linked in chat. If i dont want to share with them, why should the Add-On do it? Where is my right to keep loot a secret? What settings do i need to adjust to protect my precious loot from prying eyes? If its not something i can adjust in settings, which Add-On is hiding my highly valued loot? If there aint an Add-On yet, can someone please make it so i can have my beloved loot for myself?
He has a right to feel this way. We have a right to agree and back him up.
I don't care it this addon makes it easier for you to complete your sets. It's not all about you.
If you want to use this with others who also agree to use it then by all means, go for it. But give the rest of us a chance to graciously bow out.
And we have a right to feel the way we do. and state our position.
if you dont want to play with others that use the addon. create a guild of like minded players.
dont expect us to change the way we enjoy playing the game just because you dont like it.
apply that "it aint all about you" to yourself first i'd say.
Edited by remosito on March 19, 2021 7:29PMShutYerTrap (selectively mute NPC dialogues (stuga, companions); displayleads (antiquity leads location); UndauntedPledgeQueuer (small daily undaunted dungeon queuer window)2 -
Chips_Ahoy wrote: »I think you guys are exaggerating a little too much.
How often do you receive these types of messages? every 5 minutes?
is it hard to ignore? I do it all the time and it works.
I don't understand the drama
impatience, intolerance and envy is the norm in this forum, amazing.
This is exactly it. Even in a community of nerds playing a video game they liked together. There's still a lack of compassion and empathy. If people have to ask why the ball is in their court. Then understanding is the problem. With that said. After scrolling more and rereading the comments. I'll throw this out there. If you feel uncomfortable that's your right to feel not mine say. I use this addon my ingame name is @BeefcakeManwich pc-na.Edited by BeefcakeManwich on March 19, 2021 8:21PM0
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