Is it possible to survive in pvp without heavy amour?

Starlight_Whisper · March 2021

If so how, I'm looking for advice

TBois · March 2021

Yes.

orion_1981usub17_ESO · March 2021

You can wear impregnable medium or even light armor and still get the set and armor weight bonuses with the much needed crit resist. It's what I do... spinner/spriggans and impreg

relentless_turnip · March 2021

Yes, be fast and/or have cloak,mist, Streak. In medium you can still do a block build. I recommend one 5 piece for damage mitigation. In IC and BG's I back pariah and in cyro fortified.

oscarovegren · March 2021

Starlight_Whisper wrote: »

If so how, I'm looking for advice

Cyrodiil or BG/IC ?

Do you run solo or in a group?

WaltherCarraway · March 2021

Definitely.

If you were referring to CP Cyrodiil.

I do Brass light and Impreg Jewelries + Wpn

WaltherCarraway · March 2021

Open World gear differs. Depending on player skill level, though.

L_Nici · March 2021

I did run Heavy during the Procmeta to not get nuked instantly, now even with damage way higher I can run Medium armor just fine again.

Integral1900 · March 2021

Heavy armour can add survivability, but it is only one form of survivability. Ultimately, to be hard to kill is simple. You just have to increase your resistance to damage and/or increase your ability to recover from damage to a point where the combined effect overwhelms your opponents output. Whether that’s an NPC, mechanic or a player.

Some of the most bullet-proof builds I’ve ever played in any context did not wear heavy armour at all. Either they had a lot of recovery or they have so much dps with a recovery factor built in, that the opponent couldn’t kill them.

Another thing to consider is that just because you can’t kill another player does not mean that they are running a broken build, far more likely they are simply better than you are. This can be difficult to accept, and it certainly took me a long time. In this game maybe 30 to 40% of effectiveness can be put down to sets, another 30 to 40% is skills, the rest is practice and talent. The way the combat system is created means that it has an extremely high skill cap.

Also... Many of the most potent builds are the kind of thing that at first glance look like utter nonsense, I can promise that the most resilient or overpowered combinations are not going to be listed on YouTube and they are certainly not gonna be listed on this forum, mostly because the players that are currently enjoying the power that these combinations give them do not want to publicise them and therefore get them nerfed

HOWEVER....

This is the exception, not the rule.

TL:DR
If you can reduce your incoming damage and increase your healing to a point where it overtops your opponents damage output then that opponent will not be able to kill you. Whether you do this to sets, skills, or just practice the end result is the same.

Princess249 · March 2021

I‘m doing well in surviving at my magsorc with 3 shield, 49k Magicka and 5+1+1 gear. The most important part is to keep moving.

notachik · March 2021

I had to switch from 1h 2m 4L to 1m 2L 4h..I’m not wearing a full 5pc of any one set ..does having 5 pieces of 1 set actually make a difference on mitigation?

fred4 · March 2021

Yes. It's called dodge rolling. Or Streak. Or shield (mostly on sorc). Or block / heal (with 1H+S). Or Shadow Image and Cloak. Or simply having very high speed combined with some of the other things. Or being a sprinting stage 4 vamp. Or I would have said Mist Form, except that's been nerfed. Or being a 40K+ healthden in any armor. Or being a really good attacking player / dueller, like another respondent said. Or having serious health regen (Strategic Reserve + other). Sure, some of what I said synergises with heavy armor, execpt it's not necessary. For example you can build, say, a medium DK with good healing and defense just fine. The big ticket item was IMO always a 1H+S back bar, not heavy armor. A bow would be more unusual, but there's an argument for the speed from that as well. It's just what playstyle you're used to.

fred4 · March 2021

notachik wrote: »

I had to switch from 1h 2m 4L to 1m 2L 4h..I’m not wearing a full 5pc of any one set ..does having 5 pieces of 1 set actually make a difference on mitigation?

In so far as you need 5 medium to use Shuffle, yeah, it makes a difference. I get the impression 7 medium is the new meta for stamina, but it's early days and that could be my bias talking. For magicka builds I tend to be in 6 light, 1 medium right now. Staying away from heavy as I revise my builds. I do not want any speed impediments or dodge roll cost increases. Dodge rolling is finally somewhat viable in light builds, thank ZOS.

Waffennacht · March 2021

fred4 wrote: »

notachik wrote: »

I had to switch from 1h 2m 4L to 1m 2L 4h..I’m not wearing a full 5pc of any one set ..does having 5 pieces of 1 set actually make a difference on mitigation?

In so far as you need 5 medium to use Shuffle, yeah, it makes a difference. I get the impression 7 medium is the new meta for stamina, but it's early days and that could be my bias talking. For magicka builds I tend to be in 6 light, 1 medium right now. Staying away from heavy as I revise my builds. I do not want any speed impediments or dodge roll cost increases. Dodge rolling is finally somewhat viable in light builds, thank ZOS.

Odd, I found even in heavy, even in no CP, dodge roll can occur more often.

notachik · March 2021

I don’t have any noticeable difference in dodge roll or movement speed in 5 heavy no cp..

fred4 · March 2021

Waffennacht wrote: »

fred4 wrote: »

notachik wrote: »

I had to switch from 1h 2m 4L to 1m 2L 4h..I’m not wearing a full 5pc of any one set ..does having 5 pieces of 1 set actually make a difference on mitigation?

In so far as you need 5 medium to use Shuffle, yeah, it makes a difference. I get the impression 7 medium is the new meta for stamina, but it's early days and that could be my bias talking. For magicka builds I tend to be in 6 light, 1 medium right now. Staying away from heavy as I revise my builds. I do not want any speed impediments or dodge roll cost increases. Dodge rolling is finally somewhat viable in light builds, thank ZOS.

Odd, I found even in heavy, even in no CP, dodge roll can occur more often.

I don't play heavy. Maybe you can dodge roll more often than you used to in heavy.

notachik wrote: »

I don’t have any noticeable difference in dodge roll or movement speed in 5 heavy no cp..

The medium movement speed refers to sprinting.

As a medium player I find dodge roll sustain decreased unless you build more with the improved Well-Fitted and possibly wear Impregnable for the crit resist. This could also be a function of people hitting harder and therefore me dodge rolling more, instinctively. Wearing all medium all Well-Fitted feels more comfortable to me than anything. I do not like heavy armor. Never have. Even on magplar I prefer light armor for the raw damage and adding stamina sustain for defense, rather than going heavy. That's my playstyle. ZOS have thankfully made that approach more viable.

fred4 · March 2021

Also I play mostly in CP, whereas I know, Waffenacht, you do a lot of BGs, right? E.g. no CP. We've lost something like 20% to 22% dodge roll cost reduction we had in CP before (with 56 to 66 points invested).

Goregrinder · March 2021

Yes: Dodge, block, LOS, hots, active mitigation abilities, etc. Also a lot of newer PVPers overlook the importance of map awareness and positioning. Often times players put themselves in bad situations, and when they get killed they blame their build or lag or dsync or their neighbor's noisy dog. But knowing where NOT to be, and picking your fights and battles can prevent you from dying more than you probably should.

Fawn4287 · March 2021

If you are good at kiting or have a super ez survival skill like cloak, streak or spirit mender you can run light and medium pretty easily. Everything else, especially low mobility classes, heavy seems to be the best option.