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How can i hide my stuff for the Group-Loot Add-On
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perfiction✭✭✭✭✭SilverBride wrote: »How the add on works doesn't matter. It's the end result that is causing the problem.
This addon gives players information about others drops that they wouldn't have access to without it. And many players don't like like being whispered by others begging them for their loot, which is the only reason players get the addon... so they can see what others have gotten and ask for it.
In my opinion the real problem are the people who:
- feel entitled to get an item looted by other group member (and being mean if they don't get it, which was pointed by some users in this thread). Toxicity is always bad.
- are overreacting when someone just politely ask for specific loot. Imagine getting mad and adding someone to ignore list just because they wrote "you looted XYZ, if you don't need it can I get it please?"
If you don't want to receive such messages just switch yourself to offline mode before joining dungeon finder / trial group. I still can't understand why can't you just respond "sorry, I need this item". In most cases interested person will say "ok no problem" and this will end whole situation. Instead you go full "omg people stop spying on me with those addons" on the forum.
ZOS doesn't think it's toxic/offensive/violating privacy to see each other's loot, otherwise they would just remove that from API.Edited by perfiction on March 18, 2021 6:10PM3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭perfiction wrote: »ZOS doesn't think it's toxic/offensive/violating privacy to see each other's loot, otherwise they would just remove that from API.
You cannot claim what you think ZoS thinks as fact. As I already mentioned, they may tolerate it but that doesn't mean they endorse it.Edited by SilverBride on March 18, 2021 6:13PMPCNA7 -
robertthebard✭✭✭✭✭perfiction wrote: »robertthebard wrote: »Seriously stopped right here, unless you're telling me that you're whispering everyone in the game about getting their drops?
That was example for ESO addon API and how group loot log addons utilize it, not for whispering other people to get their gear. I just wanted to emphasize that it is not about other players spying on you, stealing your data and peeking into your backpack without your permission - your loot log is public for all group members because ZOS made it that way.
No, they didn't. If they did, we wouldn't need an addon for it. W/out the addon, you can't look in my inventory and see what I have. W/out the addon, you won't know what I drop. Your logic is flawed.12 -
perfiction✭✭✭✭✭SilverBride wrote: »You cannot claim what ZoS thinks.
I can assume that knowing that this API remained unchanged for years now. When ZOS doesn't like specific addon, they just tweak the API to break it's functionality. There was one example way back in the day, can't recall its name but it gave unhealthy advantage in PVP and ZOS removed API calls used by it. Next example would be Jack of all Trades which was created to automatically slot-in green CP perks depending on what you're doing. Addon worked perfectly on PTS, but when last patch went live ZOS added 30 seconds cooldown to swapping actives which pretty much killed that addon (now the author did much work to workaround this, but still it's heavily handicapped compared to PTS).robertthebard wrote: »No, they didn't. If they did, we wouldn't need an addon for it. W/out the addon, you can't look in my inventory and see what I have. W/out the addon, you won't know what I drop. Your logic is flawed.
That's why I used the radio example before. Your turning off the receiver don't stop the transmitter. Data is still there and it's public (for all group members), you just decide not to look at it.Edited by perfiction on March 18, 2021 6:27PM1 -
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✭perfiction wrote: »SilverBride wrote: »How the add on works doesn't matter. It's the end result that is causing the problem.
This addon gives players information about others drops that they wouldn't have access to without it. And many players don't like like being whispered by others begging them for their loot, which is the only reason players get the addon... so they can see what others have gotten and ask for it.
In my opinion the real problem are the people who:
- feel entitled to get an item looted by other group member (and being mean if they don't get it, which was pointed by some users in this thread). Toxicity is always bad.
- are overreacting when someone just politely ask for specific loot. Imagine getting mad and adding someone to ignore list just because they wrote "you looted XYZ, if you don't need it can I get it please?"
If you don't want to receive such messages just switch yourself to offline mode before joining dungeon finder / trial group. I still can't understand why can't you just respond "sorry, I need this item". In most cases interested person will say "ok no problem" and this will end whole situation. Instead you go full "omg people stop spying on me with those addons" on the forum.
ZOS doesn't think it's toxic/offensive/violating privacy to see each other's loot, otherwise they would just remove that from API.
If people asked like that, maybe it wouldn't be so bad.
But it's not that.
"<item> plz"
That's it. No "can I please", no "if you don't need it", nothing.
Just a statement of expectation.
And I only get messages like that from people with the add-on. People without the add-on don't say "<item> plz"
To a person, people without the add-on, at the very least say "looking for <item>", with no sense of expectation.
It's an intrusive add-on, no way around it. Many people, myself included, find it very rude.7 -
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✭robertthebard wrote: »perfiction wrote: »robertthebard wrote: »Seriously stopped right here, unless you're telling me that you're whispering everyone in the game about getting their drops?
That was example for ESO addon API and how group loot log addons utilize it, not for whispering other people to get their gear. I just wanted to emphasize that it is not about other players spying on you, stealing your data and peeking into your backpack without your permission - your loot log is public for all group members because ZOS made it that way.
No, they didn't. If they did, we wouldn't need an addon for it. W/out the addon, you can't look in my inventory and see what I have. W/out the addon, you won't know what I drop. Your logic is flawed.
At literally no point is anyone looking at your inventory. There is ZERO access to other players’ inventory information through the API. The addon literally just observes when your groupmate picks up an item and notes it in the chat. This is a standard MMO feature that should be base-game anyway, and it’s kinda pathetic when people would rather destroy a piece of useful, or even useless gear, just because someone else dared to want it. That’s leaps and bounds more toxic than someone asking “Hey, can I have <item> if you don’t need it?”.3 -
Czeri✭✭✭✭✭I got a sticker book add-on that autobinds anything I haven't collected yet. You'd hope the loot snooper add-on should not include bound items, but nope...2 -
Daemonai✭✭✭✭Most dungeon gear is vendored. If someone is asking for a drop, it's probably because they legitimately need it.
While no one is under any obligation to give their drops away, if you planned on vendoring the drop for 15 gold anyway, why not help out your teammate whose helping you complete the dungeon, instead?0 -
robertthebard✭✭✭✭✭perfiction wrote: »SilverBride wrote: »You cannot claim what ZoS thinks.
I can assume that knowing that this API remained unchanged for years now. When ZOS doesn't like specific addon, they just tweak the API to break it's functionality. There was one example way back in the day, can't recall its name but it gave unhealthy advantage in PVP and ZOS removed API calls used by it. Next example would be Jack of all Trades which was created to automatically slot-in green CP perks depending on what you're doing. Addon worked perfectly on PTS, but when last patch went live ZOS added 30 seconds cooldown to swapping actives which pretty much killed that addon (now the author did much work to workaround this, but still it's heavily handicapped compared to PTS).robertthebard wrote: »No, they didn't. If they did, we wouldn't need an addon for it. W/out the addon, you can't look in my inventory and see what I have. W/out the addon, you won't know what I drop. Your logic is flawed.
That's why I used the radio example before. You turning off the receiver doesn't stop the transmitter. Data is still there and it's public (for all group members), you just decide not to look at it.
Because it's not provided by default. It requires third party intervention to achieve. As I said, if we rolled for loot, it would be a completely different conversation. If the game displayed everything that's looted, by default, it would be a different conversation, but neither of these apply. W/out the third party app, you're blind to what your group loots. Perhaps it's allowed because nobody's complained about it? Well, people are complaining now. Perhaps a few dozen reports in game about it will change how they look at it? Perhaps the change will be to change the current iteration to one that does display the drops, making the addon unnecessary. Perhaps it will be to remove it. Who can say. But it's obviously not universally accepted as "what they intended", which is what your argument suggests, because if it was what they intended, we wouldn't need the addon.6 -
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✭✭✭✭✭perfiction wrote: »SilverBride wrote: »You cannot claim what ZoS thinks.
I can assume that knowing that this API remained unchanged for years now. When ZOS doesn't like specific addon, they just tweak the API to break it's functionality. There was one example way back in the day, can't recall its name but it gave unhealthy advantage in PVP and ZOS removed API calls used by it. Next example would be Jack of all Trades which was created to automatically slot-in green CP perks depending on what you're doing. Addon worked perfectly on PTS, but when last patch went live ZOS added 30 seconds cooldown to swapping actives which pretty much killed that addon (now the author did much work to workaround this, but still it's heavily handicapped compared to PTS).
First of all you misquoted me. What I said was "You cannot claim what you think ZoS thinks as fact."
Second, they broke an add on that gave an unfair advantage, which was rightfully a priority. This add on creates an annoyance and they may not have even been aware how some players felt about it. Now they will be.
The OP and others would like a way to block this, and we have every right to request such.PCNA5 -
Czeri✭✭✭✭✭Most dungeon gear is vendored. If someone is asking for a drop, it's probably because they legitimately need it.
While no one is under any obligation to give their drops away, if you planned on vendoring the drop for 15 gold anyway, why not help out your teammate whose helping you complete the dungeon, instead?
It's not about willingness to help people or not. It's that spying on others' loot is creepy. I'm a lot more inclined to trade an item with a player who says they're looking for such and such set or piece than with one specifically pointing out a drop I got.Edited by Czeri on March 18, 2021 6:44PM10 -
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✭I agree. Its super annoying if people know what you have looted. You can't keep anything for yourself and they can basically blackmail you into handing it over.PC|EU4 -
Zyva✭✭✭✭✭I cant just ask for a specific item i want at the beginning when im literally looking for anything i haven't collected. id have to say at the beginning, I'm looking for every single set item i haven't collected, or say I'm looking for weapons in all the sets that drop in that dungeon/trial. which is basically asking all the group members to link every item they get that drops. it creates an additional burden on people that's not even necessary when an addon can eliminate it, showing the drops that people get with a star next to it if i haven't collected it so I know not to bother otherwise. Then its just being super polite when I ask.... I know that people are 10x more likely to be willing to let me buy gear if I'm nice when I ask, and I've also learned from experience that if I wait until the end, more than half the time the person has vendored the item for bagspace, or already bound it, especially if they are a low level. To add to it, the Loot Log addon allows you to click a tab that will show ONLY the loot you havent collected in your sticker book of all the loot that drops in an entire trial team run.... filtering through sometimes massive amounts of information when you can have a lot of people collecting from chests at once, many of which never bother to link their gear in chat, if its sets of gear that are not 'bis' or used in popular builds that they expect people to want.
To add to it, of the times I have asked to buy gear, 95% of the time, the people I ask to buy gear from are happy to sell or dont even want money, or want other gear (often i just give away all the drops i get, because ive collected everything else in the dungeon already), and want to know about the addon as well. OR they are low level, and dont understand about sticker book yet and I end up explaining why someone max CP even wants low level gear and I end up explaining about the new system, and it creates a learning opportunity.
Its extremely rare to encounter someone who does not like to be asked about gear. Of all the farming Ive done for sticker book, and I'm at 6119/7070 , ive met 2 people. One just politely said no they did not like to be whispered, and I thanked them and moved on. The other got extremely offended, demanded they would report me for spying, claimed they would decon the gear, etc etc to get me back, and I just put them on ignore for spamming my chat. It seemed extremely excessive response and eyeroll worthy.
At this point, I end up giving away far more gear than I buy from people. I wish more people were polite when they asked for gear. But this is blaming the addon, a tool, for what is a PEOPLE problem.Zyvä (Nightblade) ~ Purricâne (Sorcerer) ~ Boñfürr (Dragonknight) ~ Cätnïp (Warden) ~ Boñespùrr (Necromancer)~ Catsänova (Templar)0 -
Auth3nticGlitch✭✭✭ZOS can easily fix this by adding an option to not share the loot you pick up, this way when the addon retrieves the information from the server's event it will only share those who have the "Share Loot Information" option enabled in the game settings, otherwise it does not show it, its simple fix, probably take a single developer 1-2 hours to implement.
I like the addon with my own group of friends but I've never whispered anyone for an item in public activities, I only ever ask at the beginning or end of a trial/dungeon and I've never had issues getting items this way. If that person ignores me then whatever, I don't assume they don't see it, and I don't assume they are oblivious to the group chat, I assume they don't want to talk to anyone and I assume they don't want to be whispered directly. If I need an item bad enough I'll join with people I know or some guildies who are more patient and actually talk and are willing to share their loot and look out for items I want.
Maybe ZOS can add an option to ignore whispers from current group members? I feel this would solve some of this issue as well, forcing people to use group chat if they want the item. I do find it funny that just because someone is not talking in group chat people assume they don't see it, as a socially anxious person I ignore group chat because I don't like talking to people all the time and have many moments where I just don't want to talk to random people in a dungeon and no, I should not have to sacrifice getting whispers from guildies or friends just because I don't want any whispers from people asking for an item I picked up an a public dungeon.0 -
Daemonai✭✭✭✭Most dungeon gear is vendored. If someone is asking for a drop, it's probably because they legitimately need it.
While no one is under any obligation to give their drops away, if you planned on vendoring the drop for 15 gold anyway, why not help out your teammate whose helping you complete the dungeon, instead?
It's not about willingness to help people or not. It's that spying on others' loot is creepy. I'm a lot more inclined to trade an item with a player who says they're looking for such and such set or piece than with one specifically pointing out a drop I got.
No one is peeping in your bedroom window, you dropped a virtual item in a video game. It's not that serious.
As someone who is anti-social in real life, even I'm astounded by the anti-social sentiments expressed here. Like, are you all really so threatened by a teammate politely asking for something you (likely) don't need? And then withholding the item out of spite because they had the nerve to ask? Really?6 -
Auth3nticGlitch✭✭✭As someone who is anti-social in real life, even I'm astounded by the anti-social sentiments expressed here. Like, are you all really so threatened by a teammate politely asking for something you (likely) don't need? And then withholding the item out of spite because they had the nerve to ask? Really?
Yes, for some people it takes a whole lot of courage to even start a public dungeon with random people you don't know, you clearly don't have it bad enough to know the absolutely terrible feelings that brew up inside. It took me months before I even joined a dungeon, I did everything solo and grinded my character to do things solo. When it came to PvP and Dungeon events I skipped them entirely or tried to do dungeons solo to get the event/loot boxes, it really was that difficult to do anything with random strangers. Its weird I know but be respectful of people's feeling and don't assume that just because you can do activities and talk in a video games that so can everyone else. I'm in a guild that is literally for solo players and socially anxious people, we just about never talk to each other, its the least socially active guild I'm in and its full, so yes there are plenty of people who have a hard time with this and don't like it when you whisper them.
I have months where I'm great and can talk to anyone in a game or on forums but then I have months where I shut down and can't even fathom speaking to anyone, so please don't be disrespectful to us by trying to make it seem like its nothing serious because it really is serious and our feelings are 100% real and very frightening at times.6 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I'm astounded by the anti-social sentiments expressed here. Like, are you all really so threatened by a teammate politely asking for something you (likely) don't need? And then withholding the item out of spite because they had the nerve to ask? Really?
This is not a social issue and we are not teammates. Your friends and guildmates are your teammates. We are just a temporary group formed to run a dungeon.
I don't think anyone is threatened, but rather feel violated that some stranger is lurking to see which of your items they can talk you out of. It's an entitled behavior and one we don't have to accept.PCNA12 -
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✭✭✭✭✭SeaGtGruff wrote: »BeefcakeManwich wrote: »Haha this always cracks me up. It's group loot. So what if they know what dropped. Some games it's automatically built into it. Just don't respond. Problem solved. But why do I have to because they did and now it's harder for me to be left to myself in an mmo. Oh the run arounds of first world problems.
If it's group loot, then everybody in the group should get it.
If each person in the group got different loot, then it wasn't "group loot."
IMHO; YMMV and clearly does.
This type of "What's yours is mine" mentality is all the more reason not to play in a group, AFAIC.
How is asking 'can I have that (if you don't need it) please?' (from a player who just fought alongside you in a group activity but just had worse rng than you, not just a totally random player) an example of 'what yours is mine' mentality? Isn't it a prime example of team communication which is, you know, the very heart of an MMO? If such things make you feel uncomfortable, perhaps you should consider either not playing MMOs, avoiding group activities in MMOs, or perhaps work on that insecurity of yours a bit (I say that without the smallest intention of offence, it just is what it is - there's absolutely no reason that some stranger asking for something in text chat in a game should make you feel quite that uncomfortable).
It doesn't make me feel that uncomfortable, because I seldom play in a group, and when I have done that I've been okay with swapping loot with the other players afterward. Then again, I didn't have people requesting my loot before I'd even made any mention of it myself.
But I've also experienced firsthand how a player can create the impression (rightly or wrongly) that they're entitled to other people's time, effort, and loot. In the specific instance that I'm talking about-- which was not in a group situation-- I'm not sure if it was just a language and/or cultural difference, or what, but it seemed kind of off-putting to me. I sort of walked into it by trying to be helpful, but it took a turn in a direction I wasn't expecting. I don't think the other person meant it the way it came across, but it became obvious that the two of us had vastly different understandings of what was going on. To be clear, this had nothing to do with trading so-called "group loot" after running a dungeon, and most certainly did not involve add-ons; it was about particular overland gear that drops in a particular zone. The only reason I mention it (without giving any real details about it) is to say that I know firsthand that when two players who are unknown to each other interact via text, it can be very difficult to understand the other person's feelings and intentions; and when there's gear involved, the other person can easily create the impression that they're demanding something of you, whether or not that's how they meant it.
The thing is, I'm not playing this game for you, or for the members of a random group I got thrown together with, or for any of my friends or fellow guild members. I'm playing this game for me, to have fun. I don't grind for gear, or for crystals, or for XP; about the only thing I "grind" for is gold, by doing daily crafting writs on multiple characters. But I normally play solo, and am too "casual" about the game to be obsessed with leveling characters from 1 to 50 as rapidly as possible, or grinding to hit the maximum CP as soon as possible, or wanting to collect every piece of a set for my stickerbook, or wanting to acquire pieces of gear or mythical antiquities that are the latest must-have rage with the BIS-META crowd, etc.
That doesn't mean I don't like playing or interacting with other people. As long as I'm not racing to finish my crafting writs or earn my event rewards before the daily reset, I'll happily drop what I'm doing to go help out a total stranger with a WB because they called for help in zone chat, or go join a random group of strangers to help them run a specific dungeon that I have some meager experience with, or sell a few stacks of furnishing mats to a total stranger who was looking for sellers in zone chat, or craft gear for a newbie, or gift 50k to a newbie so they can buy a mount, or craft items for research for other players, etc.
But I do those things because I enjoy doing them, if they won't keep me from doing something else that I really want to do in the game. And I don't enjoy being made to feel like another player is expecting me to give them something or do something just because they "asked" in a manner that came across like a demand.
Anyway, my own feeling about this specific issue with this specific add-on is that even though the game's API might allow certain information to be obtained by an add-on, the fact that the game's own "plain vanilla" UI doesn't provide players with that information could be construed as suggesting that perhaps the devs didn't think it was the kind of information that the players need to know. Sure, the API might provide the information if queried by an app, and ZOS apparently hasn't banned the app for making that information visible, so ZOS seems to be okay with it.
But if it's such essential, important information, then why didn't ZOS include it in the "plain vanilla" UI? Could it be they were aware that some players might not be "comfortable" with the details of their characters' stats and abilities and gear and inventory being openly plastered across the screen for every other player to see, because said players might feel that this is overly intrusive and an infringement of their privacy or "personal space"? Some people are okay with that sort of thing (and I happen to be one of them); but other people are not, and maybe that's part of why it wasn't included in the default UI?
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Munkfist✭✭✭✭SilverBride wrote: »How the add on works doesn't matter. It's the end result that is causing the problem.
This addon gives players information about others drops that they wouldn't have access to without it. And many players don't like like being whispered by others begging them for their loot, which is the only reason players get the addon... so they can see what others have gotten and ask for it.
I would have to highly disagree with this comment.
I personally got this addon to make it far easier and more efficient to hand out the gear I found. I can link it all more easily and quickly than rooting through my inventory. Myself and those I typically run with got the add-on for that reason. We already know what we're looking for, and tend to make it known to the group before we even start running the dungeon.
The add-on has far more use than just peeking on others' loot. If someone doesn't post the item I announced that I was looking for before the run started, oh well, on to the next run. While not many may have that same feeling, lumping everyone under that statement is just wrong.@Munkfist PC-NA
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✭✭✭✭✭Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »These threads always amuse me. Look at it purely from an RP perspective (which I almost never do). 4 of us kill a big bad monster. You pick up a 4 foot long greatsword. You really think the rest of us didnt see it?
If you look at this from a role playing perspective, by the time most people get through the dungeon, they have picked up enough swords that they look like a porcupine lumbering along with a dozen pieces of armor tied to them.
Haha. Fair, but at that point, every video game I have ever played goes out the window. I always go back to my D+D days and imagine all my video game characters have a Bag of Holding, or something similar. It still has to get from the boss to the bag. We would see it, I am convinced.
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Czeri✭✭✭✭✭Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »These threads always amuse me. Look at it purely from an RP perspective (which I almost never do). 4 of us kill a big bad monster. You pick up a 4 foot long greatsword. You really think the rest of us didnt see it?
If you look at this from a role playing perspective, by the time most people get through the dungeon, they have picked up enough swords that they look like a porcupine lumbering along with a dozen pieces of armor tied to them.
Haha. Fair, but at that point, every video game I have ever played goes out the window. I always go back to my D+D days and imagine all my video game characters have a Bag of Holding, or something similar. It still has to get from the boss to the bag. We would see it, I am convinced.
I just stick any extra gear into my personal pocket of oblivion...2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭SilverBride wrote: »This addon gives players information about others drops that they wouldn't have access to without it. And many players don't like like being whispered by others begging them for their loot, which is the only reason players get the addon... so they can see what others have gotten and ask for it.
I would have to highly disagree with this comment.
You may disagree but that doesn't make it any less true. It doesn't matter what you personally use it for. It's purpose is to show what loot others received so you can ask for it.Edited by SilverBride on March 18, 2021 8:19PMPCNA4 -
Munkfist✭✭✭✭SilverBride wrote: »SilverBride wrote: »This addon gives players information about others drops that they wouldn't have access to without it. And many players don't like like being whispered by others begging them for their loot, which is the only reason players get the addon... so they can see what others have gotten and ask for it.
I would have to highly disagree with this comment.
You may disagree but that doesn't make it any less true. It doesn't matter what you personally use it for. It's purpose is to show what loot others received so you can ask for it.
Stating that it is the only reason players get the addon, when it isn't, does make it less true. All I was pointing out @Munkfist PC-NA
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✭✭✭✭✭Stating that it is the only reason players get the addon, when it isn't, does make it less true. All I was pointing out
I still believe it is, but let's put this to the test.
I made a poll to ask what players use the Group Loot add on for. This is ONLY to see what players are using it for and not to discuss anything else about the add on.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/566216/why-do-you-use-the-group-loot-add-onEdited by SilverBride on March 18, 2021 8:38PMPCNA0 -
robertthebard✭✭✭✭✭SilverBride wrote: »SilverBride wrote: »This addon gives players information about others drops that they wouldn't have access to without it. And many players don't like like being whispered by others begging them for their loot, which is the only reason players get the addon... so they can see what others have gotten and ask for it.
I would have to highly disagree with this comment.
You may disagree but that doesn't make it any less true. It doesn't matter what you personally use it for. It's purpose is to show what loot others received so you can ask for it.
Stating that it is the only reason players get the addon, when it isn't, does make it less true. All I was pointing out
Well, let's see what other good it is? I don't need it to verify my drops, I can open my inventory and look. Since I can do that, the only other purpose it would serve would be to tell me what someone else got. Why would I need to know what someone else dropped, if I wasn't planning on asking for it, if it's something I want?4 -
Munkfist✭✭✭✭robertthebard wrote: »SilverBride wrote: »SilverBride wrote: »This addon gives players information about others drops that they wouldn't have access to without it. And many players don't like like being whispered by others begging them for their loot, which is the only reason players get the addon... so they can see what others have gotten and ask for it.
I would have to highly disagree with this comment.
You may disagree but that doesn't make it any less true. It doesn't matter what you personally use it for. It's purpose is to show what loot others received so you can ask for it.
Stating that it is the only reason players get the addon, when it isn't, does make it less true. All I was pointing out
Well, let's see what other good it is? I don't need it to verify my drops, I can open my inventory and look. Since I can do that, the only other purpose it would serve would be to tell me what someone else got. Why would I need to know what someone else dropped, if I wasn't planning on asking for it, if it's something I want?
Couple posts up, I stated exactly what myself and my group/guild use it for.
But, I'll reiterate:
Easily log my loot.
Easily/more quickly post the loot that I do not need for the rest of my group.
When speedrunning, this speeds up that process, meaning less time spent going through inventory (especially when chaining dungeons along quickly)@Munkfist PC-NA
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robertthebard✭✭✭✭✭robertthebard wrote: »SilverBride wrote: »SilverBride wrote: »This addon gives players information about others drops that they wouldn't have access to without it. And many players don't like like being whispered by others begging them for their loot, which is the only reason players get the addon... so they can see what others have gotten and ask for it.
I would have to highly disagree with this comment.
You may disagree but that doesn't make it any less true. It doesn't matter what you personally use it for. It's purpose is to show what loot others received so you can ask for it.
Stating that it is the only reason players get the addon, when it isn't, does make it less true. All I was pointing out
Well, let's see what other good it is? I don't need it to verify my drops, I can open my inventory and look. Since I can do that, the only other purpose it would serve would be to tell me what someone else got. Why would I need to know what someone else dropped, if I wasn't planning on asking for it, if it's something I want?
Couple posts up, I stated exactly what myself and my group/guild use it for.
But, I'll reiterate:
Easily log my loot.
Easily/more quickly post the loot that I do not need for the rest of my group.
When speedrunning, this speeds up that process, meaning less time spent going through inventory (especially when chaining dungeons along quickly)
It seems I already addressed some of this, in the post you quoted. I don't need it to verify my loot, a single hotkey, and I'm in my inventory, and can see what I got. If I'm speed running, the groups I used to speed run with across various MMOs would run x dungeons, check loot, rinse and repeat. No need for an addon for that. Some games required sell/repair/store breaks in between, depending on how gear wear worked, plenty of time to do any swapping then too. So the only real purpose it serves is to verify if someone else got something. I wonder, what's the author's intent?3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I agree. Its super annoying if people know what you have looted. You can't keep anything for yourself and they can basically blackmail you into handing it over.
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Um what? That is absurd. What are you doing in a dungeon with a random person that would allow them to blackmail you? [snip] And how can anyone force you to give them anything?
Are you using that? Yes. OR Can i have it? No. That's all it takes. Or heck, in the sticker book land, just say I already bound the item.
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✭✭robertthebard wrote: »
It seems I already addressed some of this, in the post you quoted. I don't need it to verify my loot, a single hotkey, and I'm in my inventory, and can see what I got. If I'm speed running, the groups I used to speed run with across various MMOs would run x dungeons, check loot, rinse and repeat. No need for an addon for that. Some games required sell/repair/store breaks in between, depending on how gear wear worked, plenty of time to do any swapping then too. So the only real purpose it serves is to verify if someone else got something. I wonder, what's the author's intent?
What you dont need it for doesnt invalidate what someone else might use it for. Just FYI.
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