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Eedat wrote: »

I mean it goes both ways. A lot of people would just abandon the dungeon if they got one they didn't like, requeue, repeat. People do that already and just swap to another character

This, and as all is running random normals to grind cp, have fun getting the quest in a long normal dlc dungeon.
The random fungal grotto runs was old before everybody knew about them.
It blew up because idiots started to run 3 or two man groups with randoms and then port from say normal tempest to FG even if the randoms queued for tempest.
So yes without the penalty let us just leave and requeue.

Shantu wrote: »

Get rid of the penalty for leaving and maybe create a 5 minute grace period where you can't leave the dungeon. That way you temper the urge to immediately jump ship for some reason and at least give the group a chance.

As an experienced tank I can tell you that I can gage the group within the first few seconds of a dungeon and certainly after the first add pull. To give you examples of what you see:

Dd running resist buff
Dd running resto
Dd running sword n board

This list could go on and on but the point is this, a lot of players in the queue are not doing enough damage for vet content, and experienced players can see that they won’t clear a harder dungeon. What am I supposed to do when this happens? Kick or leave. The alternative is to only do content as a pre made group. Before running vet dungeons from a random perspective it’s down to the player base to educate itself on roles and builds and to be mechanic aware before going into a dungeon.

Maybe there should be some way of being able to see what the group members are wearing, that way at least people can give feedback when someone turns up to a dungeon in pvp gear and wonders why they keep getting kicked.

Hotdog_23 wrote: »

If you leave in the first 2 minutes you should get a 30-60 minutes penalty. Several times people leave without even trying and it's always the tank or healer role. At least try before you leave and see how it goes.

Maybe let the penalty start at a hour and decrease at a 4-1 ratio until zero.

Stay strong, safe and enjoy the journey

A decreasing ratio is actually a nice idea. I'd vote for this.

caperb wrote: »

What´s wrong with a fake healer, except if it is a vDLC HM?

For you and I? Perhaps nothing whatsoever. For a new player, with a low level character not speced or geared to be self supporting? EVERYTHING! On my DPS for the normal daily, rando, I will leave echoing vigor slotted, to at least help out a lowbee who is at risk of going down because of fake healer. Honestly, it's no fun for a new player expecting the standard roles to spend a dungeon laying on their backs, with some players even refusing to pick them up.

That's why for normal non DLC dungeons I fake queue as a tank

1. I never leave because of someone's level, more often than not I try to teach the mechanics of a dungeon to the few who will listen (I love it when I get a group that listens, I'll take a group of lower level, but the right roles, over a group of "Leroys" any day)
2. The dungeons this most affects are the vet, most normals I'm fine with, I tank a lot and some of my tanks can handle some healing, mainly my necro, templar and warden tanks. Some of the lower level dungeons people could power through with 4 DPS, but that's something for pre-made groups to do and decide, not force on others.
3. Whatever dungeon I get with a randy I try to do, you roll them boines you takes your chances, and randy I only do norm, there is no increase in reward for vet so why bother.

It's a shame the system punishes us instead of the fake, of course that would be harder to do and prove in an automated system, and resorting to reporting would just end up with nothing being done (that's my translation of the "we're not going to tell you how we resolve this" answer we get), overload some already overloaded mod with fake reports, and, again, be mostly unprovable on the player's end (yeah ummmm.... how we suppose to screenshot that or half the other things they want "proof" for)

I don't expect this to get resolved, certainly not soon anyway, but hey, gotta make a noise, squeaky wheel gets the grease