@AlextheMuspel cool story there is however one little issue with it. Master writs base XP is not 50k. It's slightly over 12k for smaller crafts (alchemy , enchanting , provisioning) and slightly over 18k for bigger crafts (assuming 10% buff from ESO+ without it , It's 11k and 16,5k). When someone claims writs give 50k without any buffs he/she propably didn't count enlightment during the test which is x4 multiplier for 1st 400k xp every day.
I would suggest You to either edit math in main post or ask devs to remove it because It's highly misleading.
@AlextheMuspel cool story there is however one little issue with it. Master writs base XP is not 50k. It's slightly over 12k for smaller crafts (alchemy , enchanting , provisioning) and slightly over 18k for bigger crafts (assuming 10% buff from ESO+ without it , It's 11k and 16,5k). When someone claims writs give 50k without any buffs he/she propably didn't count enlightment during the test which is x4 multiplier for 1st 400k xp every day.
I would suggest You to either edit math in main post or ask devs to remove it because It's highly misleading.
first post should definitely get edited. people might get false hopes about how well master writs really work.
might just make it all 4x as much p2w to poster though. as with real xp gained values for master writs one would need 4x as many writs for the stated cp gain goal and it would cost 4x as much gold -> crown -> $$$...
@AlextheMuspel cool story there is however one little issue with it. Master writs base XP is not 50k. It's slightly over 12k for smaller crafts (alchemy , enchanting , provisioning) and slightly over 18k for bigger crafts (assuming 10% buff from ESO+ without it , It's 11k and 16,5k). When someone claims writs give 50k without any buffs he/she propably didn't count enlightment during the test which is x4 multiplier for 1st 400k xp every day.
I would suggest You to either edit math in main post or ask devs to remove it because It's highly misleading.
first post should definitely get edited. people might get false hopes about how well master writs really work.
might just make it all 4x as much p2w to poster though. as with real xp gained values for master writs one would need 4x as many writs for the stated cp gain goal and it would cost 4x as much gold -> crown -> $$$...
trackdemon5512 wrote: »AlextheMuspel wrote: »Can you buy Greymoor/Summerset/Elswyre with gold?
Yes you can buy the expansions with gold, simply by trading with someone else who gifts them from the crown store. At a current exchange rate they would cost about 1-1.3 million or somewhere in that general area, on PC-NA.
Geez. 350k max PS4
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AlextheMuspel wrote: »But since you can't buy CP, or writs, with crowns, this entire conversation is irrelevant.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/430760/discord-tamriel-crown-exchange-crown-store-items-for-gold-over-10-mil-crowns-traded
You can, and very easily, in fact. Crowns buy gold, gold buy writs, simple.
D_U_S_T_I_N wrote: »This game has always been very borderline on pay 2 win. The single biggest sign of this is requiring ESO+ to store your crafting material. You can try to argue it, but you really can't. I actually have been upset with the devs for a long time over this and other pay 2 win type mechanics in this game and I close beta tested this game in 2013. This game was suppose to be my wow killer.
I occasionally still come here to play here and there, and I love that the game has vastly improved over the years, but there are still issues. Don't forget, microsoft owns this now.
@AlextheMuspel cool story there is however one little issue with it. Master writs base XP is not 50k. It's slightly over 12k for smaller crafts (alchemy , enchanting , provisioning) and slightly over 18k for bigger crafts (assuming 10% buff from ESO+ without it , It's 11k and 16,5k). When someone claims writs give 50k without any buffs he/she propably didn't count enlightment during the test which is x4 multiplier for 1st 400k xp every day.
I would suggest You to either edit math in main post or ask devs to remove it because It's highly misleading.
first post should definitely get edited. people might get false hopes about how well master writs really work.
might just make it all 4x as much p2w to poster though. as with real xp gained values for master writs one would need 4x as many writs for the stated cp gain goal and it would cost 4x as much gold -> crown -> $$$...
Things is OP is being wrong about claiming that writs are the best way to level up CP. Assuming we have all XP buffs (scrolls/ambrosia , event buff , ESO+ , training gear etc) nBRP farm can give close to 7M xp/hour. So with 330M xp OP took as starting point it would take less then 50 hours of grind to get that value. That is less time then buying over 7k writs would take not mentioning additional spendings to get those writs and time plus resources needed to make them.
D_U_S_T_I_N wrote: »This game has always been very borderline on pay 2 win. The single biggest sign of this is requiring ESO+ to store your crafting material. You can try to argue it, but you really can't. I actually have been upset with the devs for a long time over this and other pay 2 win type mechanics in this game and I close beta tested this game in 2013. This game was suppose to be my wow killer.
I occasionally still come here to play here and there, and I love that the game has vastly improved over the years, but there are still issues. Don't forget, microsoft owns this now.
Out of curiosity, guessing you maxed the personal bank and all the inventory of 18 characters, how on Nirn did you manage to get enough crafting mats to fill all the slots that you *require* ESO+ and the crafting bag to store them?
I started crafting at early access; when there was no crafting bag, no buy bag/bank space at the crown store, only 8 character slots, and the provisioning system was NOT revamped. It might not be convenient, it might not be efficient, or fast, but playing without a craft bag is possible, and many players do it. The "free ESO+ trials" help a lot as well. By the way, what in Oblivion do you "win" by being a crafter?
AlextheMuspel wrote: »But since you can't buy CP, or writs, with crowns, this entire conversation is irrelevant.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/430760/discord-tamriel-crown-exchange-crown-store-items-for-gold-over-10-mil-crowns-traded
You can, and very easily, in fact. Crowns buy gold, gold buy writs, simple.
And the mats, tempers, style mats, and motifs will simply magically appear to let you do the writs? Or are you gonna have to use gold to buy those too? What about the time spent tracking down that motif that was popular but no one bothers with anymore? Even if you manage to find masterwrits that only require motifs you already know, you're still using mats and tempers that aren't exactly cheap.
Still no one has explained what you "win" that would make it worth the tremendous effort and/or cost in real life money.
AlextheMuspel wrote: »D_U_S_T_I_N wrote: »This game has always been very borderline on pay 2 win. The single biggest sign of this is requiring ESO+ to store your crafting material. You can try to argue it, but you really can't. I actually have been upset with the devs for a long time over this and other pay 2 win type mechanics in this game and I close beta tested this game in 2013. This game was suppose to be my wow killer.
I occasionally still come here to play here and there, and I love that the game has vastly improved over the years, but there are still issues. Don't forget, microsoft owns this now.
Out of curiosity, guessing you maxed the personal bank and all the inventory of 18 characters, how on Nirn did you manage to get enough crafting mats to fill all the slots that you *require* ESO+ and the crafting bag to store them?
I started crafting at early access; when there was no crafting bag, no buy bag/bank space at the crown store, only 8 character slots, and the provisioning system was NOT revamped. It might not be convenient, it might not be efficient, or fast, but playing without a craft bag is possible, and many players do it. The "free ESO+ trials" help a lot as well. By the way, what in Oblivion do you "win" by being a crafter?
Believe it or not, but efficiency is what many of us considered a top priority. I couldn't bother going to the stablemaster to upgrade 1 SINGLE carrying capacity for each of my characters because I forget about it all the time. Hell, I even forget about upgrading it on my main sometimes.
As a result, all my alts, including healers, dps, and tanks, have 140 slots, which fills up really quickly. Last time I checked, the 240 bank slot, without ESO+, can only hold all the BS, Clothing, Jewelry, WW, and alchemy materials. I have to use a separate character for the rest: provisioning and trait/style/furnishing material.
At this time ALL the slots of your bank are filled, not to mention another character with 140 slots of provisioning and trait/style/furnishing material. It's such a HASSLE to do daily writs and then micromanage your inventory.
I ended up giving up on doing daily writs so I could avoid this micromanagement nightmare. And you're losing A LOT if you don't do daily writs. I estimated a loss over 167,000 gold daily on 7 max crafting characters if you don't do the writs. How many gold mats can you buy with that amount of money? Pretty sure gold gear provides you an advantage in combat. Hence the "P2W" craftbag.
Jeffrey530 wrote: »AlextheMuspel wrote: »Now, assuming if you want to reach that soft cap asap
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phil.maricel08ub17_ESO wrote: »Is there a way to do multiple master writs at once? Like if I had 25 master enchanting writs, could they be done at once? I know you can do one alchemy and one enchanting etc etc, but even then I can only do one of those at a time per type of profession it is. I was just wondering because I will indeed use my many master writs during the next event.
phil.maricel08ub17_ESO wrote: »Is there a way to do multiple master writs at once? Like if I had 25 master enchanting writs, could they be done at once? I know you can do one alchemy and one enchanting etc etc, but even then I can only do one of those at a time per type of profession it is. I was just wondering because I will indeed use my many master writs during the next event.
AlextheMuspel wrote: »phil.maricel08ub17_ESO wrote: »Is there a way to do multiple master writs at once? Like if I had 25 master enchanting writs, could they be done at once? I know you can do one alchemy and one enchanting etc etc, but even then I can only do one of those at a time per type of profession it is. I was just wondering because I will indeed use my many master writs during the next event.
Download writworthy, an addon that allows you to do multiple writs at once.
phil.maricel08ub17_ESO wrote: »Is there a way to do multiple master writs at once? Like if I had 25 master enchanting writs, could they be done at once? I know you can do one alchemy and one enchanting etc etc, but even then I can only do one of those at a time per type of profession it is. I was just wondering because I will indeed use my many master writs during the next event.
You can pre-craft your Master Writs. Then when you are ready, just keep both the writs and the crafted things in your inventory, and take writ - deliver writ - take writ - deliver writ until you run out. This way you maximise the use of you XP scrolls or potions.
VoidCommander wrote: »Or if you do daily random normal dungeons on 10 characters every day at 100k xp (no xp buff), you could reach 1800 in 331 days. Using the provisioning perks, and the new green cp for adding 30 minutes to food and drink, you can make a 30 minute 100% ambrosia (20k gold) last 80 minutes instead. At an average 15 minutes per dungeon (and not using those toons for anything else, each ambrosia is good for 5 dungeons). 331 dungeons would then require 66 ambrosias, or 1.320,000 gold, and would reduce the time to 165 days. Yes the grind would be brutal, and it would require a player to have 10 "fake tank ready" toons. So long as you cared enough about the game to get a good damage build (and thus care about cp), you will be fine. Just give it time.
HowellQagan wrote: »VoidCommander wrote: »Or if you do daily random normal dungeons on 10 characters every day at 100k xp (no xp buff), you could reach 1800 in 331 days. Using the provisioning perks, and the new green cp for adding 30 minutes to food and drink, you can make a 30 minute 100% ambrosia (20k gold) last 80 minutes instead. At an average 15 minutes per dungeon (and not using those toons for anything else, each ambrosia is good for 5 dungeons). 331 dungeons would then require 66 ambrosias, or 1.320,000 gold, and would reduce the time to 165 days. Yes the grind would be brutal, and it would require a player to have 10 "fake tank ready" toons. So long as you cared enough about the game to get a good damage build (and thus care about cp), you will be fine. Just give it time.
@VoidCommander
People reported that passive doesn't affect Ambrosia. RIP.
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Yes you can do writs paying using gold converted from crowns. But you can also earn the gold and get the writ by other means in game? Moreover writs themselves only give 20-30k exp each. Yes skyreach and ambrosia is expensive, but again how's that pay to win when none of the better exp scrolls are locked behind crowns? You can buy 150% ambrosia using gold you earned.
At this point you might as well say if you are rich enough you can buy ZOS and make yourself cp3600 and that's p2w. [snip] Just because a game has a function to convert crowns into gold, it does not make a game p2w.
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AlextheMuspel wrote: »Guess how long it takes to log into crown store, buy 5000 crowns, and sell it for 2m gold?
Kiralyn2000 wrote: »AlextheMuspel wrote: »Guess how long it takes to log into crown store, buy 5000 crowns, and sell it for 2m gold?
Which still, regardless of your subjective opinion ("confirmed!"), isn't "P2W." In fact, it's helping stop any possible P2W situations, as it's spreading 5000 crowns out into the hands of people who haven't spent $. (i.e, they haven't been 'forced' to pay $)
Eso is very P2W based. All those who think otherwise need to squint their eyes and try a bit harder to understand
AlextheMuspel wrote: »
I can't make any sense of what you're saying bc of the removed Baiting. Perhaps it's a good idea not to be so hostile out of no reason.
Are you aware that Microsoft just bought ZeniMax, Bethsoft, and ZOS for $7.5B? Are you suggesting that I somehow have $7.5B disposable income to compete with Microsoft? That's some big slippery slope. Just bc someone can afford $1000 of in-game purchase doesn't mean they have $7.5B to purchase Zenimax.
I earn around 700k pure profit in gold and sell around 1.2m per week. And that was when I devoted a massive chunk of time into trading. It takes TONS of time to look thru guild traders and chest hunting. I'd say 4 hours per day on trading alone. Guess how long it takes to log into crown store, buy 5000 crowns, and sell it for 2m gold?
phil.maricel08ub17_ESO wrote: »Is there a way to do multiple master writs at once? Like if I had 25 master enchanting writs, could they be done at once? I know you can do one alchemy and one enchanting etc etc, but even then I can only do one of those at a time per type of profession it is. I was just wondering because I will indeed use my many master writs during the next event.