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  • remosito
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    Juhasow wrote: »
    @AlextheMuspel cool story there is however one little issue with it. Master writs base XP is not 50k. It's slightly over 12k for smaller crafts (alchemy , enchanting , provisioning) and slightly over 18k for bigger crafts (assuming 10% buff from ESO+ without it , It's 11k and 16,5k). When someone claims writs give 50k without any buffs he/she propably didn't count enlightment during the test which is x4 multiplier for 1st 400k xp every day.

    I would suggest You to either edit math in main post or ask devs to remove it because It's highly misleading.

    first post should definitely get edited. people might get false hopes about how well master writs really work.

    might just make it all 4x as much p2w to poster though. as with real xp gained values for master writs one would need 4x as many writs for the stated cp gain goal and it would cost 4x as much gold -> crown -> $$$...
    Edited by remosito on March 11, 2021 2:50PM
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  • AlextheMuspel
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    remosito wrote: »
    Juhasow wrote: »
    @AlextheMuspel cool story there is however one little issue with it. Master writs base XP is not 50k. It's slightly over 12k for smaller crafts (alchemy , enchanting , provisioning) and slightly over 18k for bigger crafts (assuming 10% buff from ESO+ without it , It's 11k and 16,5k). When someone claims writs give 50k without any buffs he/she propably didn't count enlightment during the test which is x4 multiplier for 1st 400k xp every day.

    I would suggest You to either edit math in main post or ask devs to remove it because It's highly misleading.

    first post should definitely get edited. people might get false hopes about how well master writs really work.

    might just make it all 4x as much p2w to poster though. as with real xp gained values for master writs one would need 4x as many writs for the stated cp gain goal and it would cost 4x as much gold -> crown -> $$$...

    Yeah I’ll edit it later when I get on my pc. Didn’t test it in game bc I uninstalled the game after U29. Haven’t played in 3 days, not feeling motivated whatsoever.
  • Juhasow
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    remosito wrote: »
    Juhasow wrote: »
    @AlextheMuspel cool story there is however one little issue with it. Master writs base XP is not 50k. It's slightly over 12k for smaller crafts (alchemy , enchanting , provisioning) and slightly over 18k for bigger crafts (assuming 10% buff from ESO+ without it , It's 11k and 16,5k). When someone claims writs give 50k without any buffs he/she propably didn't count enlightment during the test which is x4 multiplier for 1st 400k xp every day.

    I would suggest You to either edit math in main post or ask devs to remove it because It's highly misleading.

    first post should definitely get edited. people might get false hopes about how well master writs really work.

    might just make it all 4x as much p2w to poster though. as with real xp gained values for master writs one would need 4x as many writs for the stated cp gain goal and it would cost 4x as much gold -> crown -> $$$...

    Things is OP is being wrong about claiming that writs are the best way to level up CP. Assuming we have all XP buffs (scrolls/ambrosia , event buff , ESO+ , training gear etc) nBRP farm can give close to 7M xp/hour. So with 330M xp OP took as starting point it would take less then 50 hours of grind to get that value. That is less time then buying over 7k writs would take not mentioning additional spendings to get those writs and time plus resources needed to make them.
    Edited by Juhasow on March 11, 2021 3:34PM
  • wazzz56
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    Flamebait wrote: »
    Can you buy Greymoor/Summerset/Elswyre with gold?

    Yes you can buy the expansions with gold, simply by trading with someone else who gifts them from the crown store. At a current exchange rate they would cost about 1-1.3 million or somewhere in that general area, on PC-NA.

    Geez. 350k max PS4

    @trackdemon5512 yeah man, apparently we luck out on Ps4 with the crown economy..I see PC talking about 400 to 600 a crown....
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    "After a hard week of farming, or a long night of being nagged by your wife, there is nothing better than going out for a bit of a fish."
  • JKorr
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    heaven13 wrote: »
    But since you can't buy CP, or writs, with crowns, this entire conversation is irrelevant.

    https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/430760/discord-tamriel-crown-exchange-crown-store-items-for-gold-over-10-mil-crowns-traded

    You can, and very easily, in fact. Crowns buy gold, gold buy writs, simple.

    And the mats, tempers, style mats, and motifs will simply magically appear to let you do the writs? Or are you gonna have to use gold to buy those too? What about the time spent tracking down that motif that was popular but no one bothers with anymore? Even if you manage to find masterwrits that only require motifs you already know, you're still using mats and tempers that aren't exactly cheap.

    Still no one has explained what you "win" that would make it worth the tremendous effort and/or cost in real life money.
  • ZOS_Volpe
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  • Celephantsylvius_Bornasfinmo
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    Eso is very P2W based. All those who think otherwise need to squint their eyes and try a bit harder to understand ;)
  • JKorr
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    This game has always been very borderline on pay 2 win. The single biggest sign of this is requiring ESO+ to store your crafting material. You can try to argue it, but you really can't. I actually have been upset with the devs for a long time over this and other pay 2 win type mechanics in this game and I close beta tested this game in 2013. This game was suppose to be my wow killer.

    I occasionally still come here to play here and there, and I love that the game has vastly improved over the years, but there are still issues. Don't forget, microsoft owns this now.

    Out of curiosity, guessing you maxed the personal bank and all the inventory of 18 characters, how on Nirn did you manage to get enough crafting mats to fill all the slots that you *require* ESO+ and the crafting bag to store them?

    I started crafting at early access; when there was no crafting bag, no buy bag/bank space at the crown store, only 8 character slots, and the provisioning system was NOT revamped. It might not be convenient, it might not be efficient, or fast, but playing without a craft bag is possible, and many players do it. The "free ESO+ trials" help a lot as well. By the way, what in Oblivion do you "win" by being a crafter?
  • AlextheMuspel
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    Juhasow wrote: »
    remosito wrote: »
    Juhasow wrote: »
    @AlextheMuspel cool story there is however one little issue with it. Master writs base XP is not 50k. It's slightly over 12k for smaller crafts (alchemy , enchanting , provisioning) and slightly over 18k for bigger crafts (assuming 10% buff from ESO+ without it , It's 11k and 16,5k). When someone claims writs give 50k without any buffs he/she propably didn't count enlightment during the test which is x4 multiplier for 1st 400k xp every day.

    I would suggest You to either edit math in main post or ask devs to remove it because It's highly misleading.

    first post should definitely get edited. people might get false hopes about how well master writs really work.

    might just make it all 4x as much p2w to poster though. as with real xp gained values for master writs one would need 4x as many writs for the stated cp gain goal and it would cost 4x as much gold -> crown -> $$$...

    Things is OP is being wrong about claiming that writs are the best way to level up CP. Assuming we have all XP buffs (scrolls/ambrosia , event buff , ESO+ , training gear etc) nBRP farm can give close to 7M xp/hour. So with 330M xp OP took as starting point it would take less then 50 hours of grind to get that value. That is less time then buying over 7k writs would take not mentioning additional spendings to get those writs and time plus resources needed to make them.

    You should open a thread about this method that I'm unaware of. I'm done with this game for now so I will not test it in game. Any form of grind is too much for me, a previous 810 player who used to have capped out capacity. This is it. I'm sifting through posts on this forum to see if this is commonplace, and I've found so many threads in the past several years addressing the constant nerfing. This has become a pattern for ZOS.
  • AlextheMuspel
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    JKorr wrote: »
    This game has always been very borderline on pay 2 win. The single biggest sign of this is requiring ESO+ to store your crafting material. You can try to argue it, but you really can't. I actually have been upset with the devs for a long time over this and other pay 2 win type mechanics in this game and I close beta tested this game in 2013. This game was suppose to be my wow killer.

    I occasionally still come here to play here and there, and I love that the game has vastly improved over the years, but there are still issues. Don't forget, microsoft owns this now.

    Out of curiosity, guessing you maxed the personal bank and all the inventory of 18 characters, how on Nirn did you manage to get enough crafting mats to fill all the slots that you *require* ESO+ and the crafting bag to store them?

    I started crafting at early access; when there was no crafting bag, no buy bag/bank space at the crown store, only 8 character slots, and the provisioning system was NOT revamped. It might not be convenient, it might not be efficient, or fast, but playing without a craft bag is possible, and many players do it. The "free ESO+ trials" help a lot as well. By the way, what in Oblivion do you "win" by being a crafter?

    Believe it or not, but efficiency is what many of us considered a top priority. I couldn't bother going to the stablemaster to upgrade 1 SINGLE carrying capacity for each of my characters because I forget about it all the time. Hell, I even forget about upgrading it on my main sometimes.

    As a result, all my alts, including healers, dps, and tanks, have 140 slots, which fills up really quickly. Last time I checked, the 240 bank slot, without ESO+, can only hold all the BS, Clothing, Jewelry, WW, and alchemy materials. I have to use a separate character for the rest: provisioning and trait/style/furnishing material.

    At this time ALL the slots of your bank are filled, not to mention another character with 140 slots of provisioning and trait/style/furnishing material. It's such a HASSLE to do daily writs and then micromanage your inventory.

    I ended up giving up on doing daily writs so I could avoid this micromanagement nightmare. And you're losing A LOT if you don't do daily writs. I estimated a loss over 167,000 gold daily on 7 max crafting characters if you don't do the writs. How many gold mats can you buy with that amount of money? Pretty sure gold gear provides you an advantage in combat. Hence the "P2W" craftbag.
  • AlextheMuspel
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    JKorr wrote: »
    heaven13 wrote: »
    But since you can't buy CP, or writs, with crowns, this entire conversation is irrelevant.

    https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/430760/discord-tamriel-crown-exchange-crown-store-items-for-gold-over-10-mil-crowns-traded

    You can, and very easily, in fact. Crowns buy gold, gold buy writs, simple.

    And the mats, tempers, style mats, and motifs will simply magically appear to let you do the writs? Or are you gonna have to use gold to buy those too? What about the time spent tracking down that motif that was popular but no one bothers with anymore? Even if you manage to find masterwrits that only require motifs you already know, you're still using mats and tempers that aren't exactly cheap.

    Still no one has explained what you "win" that would make it worth the tremendous effort and/or cost in real life money.

    Two words: Enchanting writs.

    If you're rich: Alchemy writs.

    If you can find healthy/arcane/robust trait: jewelry writ.
  • JKorr
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    JKorr wrote: »
    This game has always been very borderline on pay 2 win. The single biggest sign of this is requiring ESO+ to store your crafting material. You can try to argue it, but you really can't. I actually have been upset with the devs for a long time over this and other pay 2 win type mechanics in this game and I close beta tested this game in 2013. This game was suppose to be my wow killer.

    I occasionally still come here to play here and there, and I love that the game has vastly improved over the years, but there are still issues. Don't forget, microsoft owns this now.

    Out of curiosity, guessing you maxed the personal bank and all the inventory of 18 characters, how on Nirn did you manage to get enough crafting mats to fill all the slots that you *require* ESO+ and the crafting bag to store them?

    I started crafting at early access; when there was no crafting bag, no buy bag/bank space at the crown store, only 8 character slots, and the provisioning system was NOT revamped. It might not be convenient, it might not be efficient, or fast, but playing without a craft bag is possible, and many players do it. The "free ESO+ trials" help a lot as well. By the way, what in Oblivion do you "win" by being a crafter?

    Believe it or not, but efficiency is what many of us considered a top priority. I couldn't bother going to the stablemaster to upgrade 1 SINGLE carrying capacity for each of my characters because I forget about it all the time. Hell, I even forget about upgrading it on my main sometimes.

    As a result, all my alts, including healers, dps, and tanks, have 140 slots, which fills up really quickly. Last time I checked, the 240 bank slot, without ESO+, can only hold all the BS, Clothing, Jewelry, WW, and alchemy materials. I have to use a separate character for the rest: provisioning and trait/style/furnishing material.

    At this time ALL the slots of your bank are filled, not to mention another character with 140 slots of provisioning and trait/style/furnishing material. It's such a HASSLE to do daily writs and then micromanage your inventory.

    I ended up giving up on doing daily writs so I could avoid this micromanagement nightmare. And you're losing A LOT if you don't do daily writs. I estimated a loss over 167,000 gold daily on 7 max crafting characters if you don't do the writs. How many gold mats can you buy with that amount of money? Pretty sure gold gear provides you an advantage in combat. Hence the "P2W" craftbag.

    So, the main reason you consider the craft bag p2w is because you can't be bothered to do the basics of upgrading inventory.

    Yes, I know about all the fun of doing the inventory shuffle. I still shudder recalling the fun of dealing with ah jus, Imperial flour, cake flour, baker's flour, and other ingredients required for different levels of food. I recall setting alts to farm certain mats until I consolidated mats in my bank. I still don't understand what you're winning that would make all the effort worth it. I guess for people who are treating the game like an additional real job, it would matter. If you're doing all the writs on 7 or 8 alts every day, with or without a crafting bag, you're going through a lot of mats. So whether its farming mats or making gold to buy mats to do all the writs to get gold and mats there seems to be a lot of work and not much playing for fun.

    And I still don't see what you win.
  • AlextheMuspel
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    Jeffrey530 wrote: »
    Now, assuming if you want to reach that soft cap asap

    [Quoted post was removed]

    [snip]

    Yes I am playing no-cp, but my pvp guild is in GH and I can't join them right now bc most of my guildies are 1500+. 810cp is no longer competitive in cp pvp anymore. I CAN play no-cp, but that doesn't mean I'm happy about it.

    Also "anything" is p2w for me?? Really?? I have tons of complaints before cp2.0 but none of them is p2w related. cp2.0 exacerbates the existing problems by a huge amount. Just look at ambrosia and skyreach inflation.

    [snip]

    [Edited to remove Baiting]
    Edited by ZOS_ConnorG on March 13, 2021 4:53PM
  • AlextheMuspel
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    Uryel wrote: »
    Now, assuming if you want to reach that soft cap asap

    [Quoted post was removed]

    Seeking max efficiency != lacking patience

    Imagine devoting a large portion of your life acquiring useless digital goods.
    Edited by ZOS_ConnorG on March 13, 2021 5:02PM
  • phil.maricel08ub17_ESO
    Is there a way to do multiple master writs at once? Like if I had 25 master enchanting writs, could they be done at once? I know you can do one alchemy and one enchanting etc etc, but even then I can only do one of those at a time per type of profession it is. I was just wondering because I will indeed use my many master writs during the next event.
  • AlextheMuspel
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    Is there a way to do multiple master writs at once? Like if I had 25 master enchanting writs, could they be done at once? I know you can do one alchemy and one enchanting etc etc, but even then I can only do one of those at a time per type of profession it is. I was just wondering because I will indeed use my many master writs during the next event.

    Download writworthy, an addon that allows you to do multiple writs at once.
  • Khenarthi
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    Is there a way to do multiple master writs at once? Like if I had 25 master enchanting writs, could they be done at once? I know you can do one alchemy and one enchanting etc etc, but even then I can only do one of those at a time per type of profession it is. I was just wondering because I will indeed use my many master writs during the next event.

    You can pre-craft your Master Writs. Then when you are ready, just keep both the writs and the crafted things in your inventory, and take writ - deliver writ - take writ - deliver writ until you run out. This way you maximise the use of you XP scrolls or potions.
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  • phil.maricel08ub17_ESO
    Is there a way to do multiple master writs at once? Like if I had 25 master enchanting writs, could they be done at once? I know you can do one alchemy and one enchanting etc etc, but even then I can only do one of those at a time per type of profession it is. I was just wondering because I will indeed use my many master writs during the next event.

    Download writworthy, an addon that allows you to do multiple writs at once.
    Khenarthi wrote: »
    Is there a way to do multiple master writs at once? Like if I had 25 master enchanting writs, could they be done at once? I know you can do one alchemy and one enchanting etc etc, but even then I can only do one of those at a time per type of profession it is. I was just wondering because I will indeed use my many master writs during the next event.

    You can pre-craft your Master Writs. Then when you are ready, just keep both the writs and the crafted things in your inventory, and take writ - deliver writ - take writ - deliver writ until you run out. This way you maximise the use of you XP scrolls or potions.

    Thank you both! I will definitely look into writ worthy and keep the other method in mind just in case!
  • Emmagoldman
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    All this time, i've just been playing like normal and it's fine. So where does that fit in?
  • HowellQagan
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    Or if you do daily random normal dungeons on 10 characters every day at 100k xp (no xp buff), you could reach 1800 in 331 days. Using the provisioning perks, and the new green cp for adding 30 minutes to food and drink, you can make a 30 minute 100% ambrosia (20k gold) last 80 minutes instead. At an average 15 minutes per dungeon (and not using those toons for anything else, each ambrosia is good for 5 dungeons). 331 dungeons would then require 66 ambrosias, or 1.320,000 gold, and would reduce the time to 165 days. Yes the grind would be brutal, and it would require a player to have 10 "fake tank ready" toons. So long as you cared enough about the game to get a good damage build (and thus care about cp), you will be fine. Just give it time.

    @VoidCommander
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  • Arrodisia
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    Or if you do daily random normal dungeons on 10 characters every day at 100k xp (no xp buff), you could reach 1800 in 331 days. Using the provisioning perks, and the new green cp for adding 30 minutes to food and drink, you can make a 30 minute 100% ambrosia (20k gold) last 80 minutes instead. At an average 15 minutes per dungeon (and not using those toons for anything else, each ambrosia is good for 5 dungeons). 331 dungeons would then require 66 ambrosias, or 1.320,000 gold, and would reduce the time to 165 days. Yes the grind would be brutal, and it would require a player to have 10 "fake tank ready" toons. So long as you cared enough about the game to get a good damage build (and thus care about cp), you will be fine. Just give it time.

    @VoidCommander
    People reported that passive doesn't affect Ambrosia. RIP.

    Maybe for some people under some condition, but I checked and double checked on my characters today. The 100%Aetherial Ambrosia is working for my characters. It even works on my low level who has no passives in provisioning yet. When I unslot the passive, it removes the extra time, and when I slot it again the time is added.

    I'm noticing a lot of players are forgetting these passives need to be slotted to work and since they're switching constantly between crafting, making more gold, cost reductions, speed, xp increase,... they're occasionally forgetting to readjust. So unless, there's a bug that only impacts certain conditions, it's working.

    One thing I can agree to in the forums, is It's annoying to constantly have to readjust. I can totally understand they want us to do some adjusting, but this is a wee bit too extreme and will cost gold later.

    Imho, crafting, harvesting, and food/drink time increases should be more accessible to everyone not just higher levels and shouldn't need to be slotted. Btw, I'm a high level. It doesn't impact me, but I can see how it would impact already disadvantaged lower cp players who are upgrading their gear. They're already unable to reach certain combat perk trees at lower levels. They shouldn't have the crafting disadvantage as well. imho, one or the other but not both disadvantages together.

    Imho, there also need to be more sought after passives that aren't slottable or 1 or 2 more slots in each cp system tree. Otherwise, players have little to no reason to grind past the 4 slots of each tree.

    I do not find this specific OP to be P2W, as I mentioned earlier in the thread, simply because the writs are given out free as quest rewards and are sold for gold. However, there are some other threads up, which have qualified other situations as P2W since no gold alternative was made available to the player base.
    Edited by Arrodisia on March 13, 2021 12:34PM
  • Jeffrey530
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    [snip]

    [snip]

    Yes you can do writs paying using gold converted from crowns. But you can also earn the gold and get the writ by other means in game? Moreover writs themselves only give 20-30k exp each. Yes skyreach and ambrosia is expensive, but again how's that pay to win when none of the better exp scrolls are locked behind crowns? You can buy 150% ambrosia using gold you earned.

    At this point you might as well say if you are rich enough you can buy ZOS and make yourself cp3600 and that's p2w. [snip] Just because a game has a function to convert crowns into gold, it does not make a game p2w.

    [snip]

    [Edited to remove Baiting]
    Edited by ZOS_ConnorG on March 13, 2021 4:59PM
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  • AlextheMuspel
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    Jeffrey530 wrote: »
    [snip]

    [snip]

    Yes you can do writs paying using gold converted from crowns. But you can also earn the gold and get the writ by other means in game? Moreover writs themselves only give 20-30k exp each. Yes skyreach and ambrosia is expensive, but again how's that pay to win when none of the better exp scrolls are locked behind crowns? You can buy 150% ambrosia using gold you earned.

    At this point you might as well say if you are rich enough you can buy ZOS and make yourself cp3600 and that's p2w. [snip] Just because a game has a function to convert crowns into gold, it does not make a game p2w.

    [snip]

    [Edited to remove Baiting]

    I can't make any sense of what you're saying bc of the removed Baiting. Perhaps it's a good idea not to be so hostile out of no reason.

    Are you aware that Microsoft just bought ZeniMax, Bethsoft, and ZOS for $7.5B? Are you suggesting that I somehow have $7.5B disposable income to compete with Microsoft? That's some big slippery slope. Just bc someone can afford $1000 of in-game purchase doesn't mean they have $7.5B to purchase Zenimax.

    I earn around 700k pure profit in gold and sell around 1.2m per week. And that was when I devoted a massive chunk of time into trading. It takes TONS of time to look thru guild traders and chest hunting. I'd say 4 hours per day on trading alone. Guess how long it takes to log into crown store, buy 5000 crowns, and sell it for 2m gold?
  • Kiralyn2000
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    Guess how long it takes to log into crown store, buy 5000 crowns, and sell it for 2m gold?

    Which still, regardless of your subjective opinion ("confirmed!"), isn't "P2W." In fact, it's helping stop any possible P2W situations, as it's spreading 5000 crowns out into the hands of people who haven't spent $. (i.e, they haven't been 'forced' to pay $)
    Edited by Kiralyn2000 on March 13, 2021 5:45PM
  • AlextheMuspel
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    Guess how long it takes to log into crown store, buy 5000 crowns, and sell it for 2m gold?

    Which still, regardless of your subjective opinion ("confirmed!"), isn't "P2W." In fact, it's helping stop any possible P2W situations, as it's spreading 5000 crowns out into the hands of people who haven't spent $. (i.e, they haven't been 'forced' to pay $)

    Trading crowns is not zero-sum, for both gold and crowns are virtual currencies that worth nothing in real life. The only profiteer in this case is ZOS.
  • Eedat
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    Youyouz06 wrote: »
    Eso is very P2W based. All those who think otherwise need to squint their eyes and try a bit harder to understand ;)

    ESO isnt even remotely close to P2W and anyone who thinks so has legit no idea what theyre talking about

    [Edit to remove bait]
    Edited by [Deleted User] on March 13, 2021 7:09PM
  • Jeffrey530
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    I can't make any sense of what you're saying bc of the removed Baiting. Perhaps it's a good idea not to be so hostile out of no reason.

    Are you aware that Microsoft just bought ZeniMax, Bethsoft, and ZOS for $7.5B? Are you suggesting that I somehow have $7.5B disposable income to compete with Microsoft? That's some big slippery slope. Just bc someone can afford $1000 of in-game purchase doesn't mean they have $7.5B to purchase Zenimax.

    I earn around 700k pure profit in gold and sell around 1.2m per week. And that was when I devoted a massive chunk of time into trading. It takes TONS of time to look thru guild traders and chest hunting. I'd say 4 hours per day on trading alone. Guess how long it takes to log into crown store, buy 5000 crowns, and sell it for 2m gold?

    What are you even talking about? It was never about whether you can afford or not, we are talking about the 'definition' of p2w, which you clearly have no idea while abusing the term from your replies.

    Same concepts here:

    1. What you claim as p2w: Real life money -> crowns (not even ran by zos, it is purely on demand of crown owners wanting gold) -> gold -> get more cp

    2. My example: Real life money -> get more cp

    3. What everyone can do regardless of paying: Gold -> get more cp

    4. Level up cp by killing mobs

    In all pathways people can get more cp

    So how it is p2w? getting cp quicker is not p2w, having not enough cp for pvp is not p2w (use no cp), having not enough friends to go no-cp cyrodil together does not make the game p2w, find a new guild Alex I trust you can do so.




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    Is there a way to do multiple master writs at once? Like if I had 25 master enchanting writs, could they be done at once? I know you can do one alchemy and one enchanting etc etc, but even then I can only do one of those at a time per type of profession it is. I was just wondering because I will indeed use my many master writs during the next event.

    You can do them, but not with an addon. The system will only allow you to accept one master writ per profession at a time. You can read and make a thousand if you have them, but you can only accept one at a time. I would accept one smithing master writ, then read and complete the other 4 in my inventory. Once I turned in the accepted one, I would accept and turn in the next, and so on.
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