Is it against TOS if I train my dog to grind for me?
AlextheMuspel
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Serious question. I know it’s against TOS to hire real person to do the grind for me. And I can get banned if I used a bot. So I’m considering training my border collie, Jackie, the smartest dog in my household, to do the grind while I’m at work.
Jackie can press buttons like WASD and fire skills. My toon will be wearing crimson + leeching so he only needs to move around and aggro the mobs. In the public dungeon Forgotten Crypts for example, Jackie will need to press WASD to go around in circles. He can recognize visual cues, like when the enemies are attacking the toon. Hence, I think this is a plausible idea.
Do you think letting Jackie play the game for me is against TOS? I’ll give him extra treats for his hard work. No animal abuse here, I’ll spend extra time with him outdoors to reward him.
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Here's a picture of Jackie when he was a puppy. Several weeks ago I taught him to do math. Now when I ask him: Jackie what's three plus four? He'll bark seven times in response. It's really fun. He can also type his name using his nose on a special keyboard with enlarged keys. That took me a few days tho. But it worked eventually!
Edited by AlextheMuspel on March 12, 2021 6:04PM Jackie can press buttons like WASD and fire skills. My toon will be wearing crimson + leeching so he only needs to move around and aggro the mobs. In the public dungeon Forgotten Crypts for example, Jackie will need to press WASD to go around in circles. He can recognize visual cues, like when the enemies are attacking the toon. Hence, I think this is a plausible idea.
Do you think letting Jackie play the game for me is against TOS? I’ll give him extra treats for his hard work. No animal abuse here, I’ll spend extra time with him outdoors to reward him.
Edit:
Here's a picture of Jackie when he was a puppy. Several weeks ago I taught him to do math. Now when I ask him: Jackie what's three plus four? He'll bark seven times in response. It's really fun. He can also type his name using his nose on a special keyboard with enlarged keys. That took me a few days tho. But it worked eventually!
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JobooAGS✭✭✭✭✭
✭Honestly if you can train your dog to play, I wouldn’t be mad (at least not at you)23 -
Agenericname✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I love my dog and I hope the cats dont read this and tell her, but she wouldnt be of any help.
However, if it works for you, thats awesome!2 -
JobooAGS✭✭✭✭✭
✭To add to my 1st comment, Id personally allow it. Its great that you’re able to teach your dog how to play. Unfortunately my border collie isn’t that intelligent unless there is a tennis ball involved0 -
Ackwalan✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭You know your dog is just going to chase the first Khajiit that passes by. Then go on the crown store and get a bunch of chew toys.29 -
preevious✭✭✭✭✭
✭Wow .. if you actually manage to train your dog to grind for you, not only should ZOS reward you, but you'll actually win the internet.
We'll be able to close ot, after that, that will not be toped !3 -
Starlight_Whisper✭✭✭✭✭
✭I would be impressed and the marketing department should accept as it would be killer for game publicity.
The dog who can play videogames... just think of it.4 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I put mine to work year's ago...
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Sju✭✭✭✭Account sharing is against tos, if that's with people only, then yes, dogs are people too.3
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Waffennacht✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Well from what I read, at least in my state the law doesn't have any clear laws about what exactly pets are and is determined case-by-case but can say a dog is full on property.
So in this case it could be viewed as your property is playing the game for you - which I think would be no different than a computer program you own playing for you which isnt allowed.
Just saying technically, it could be viewed as that.
Not that I'd be against it1 -
Gracous✭✭✭✭If it doesn't specifically say that pets can't grind for you then you are in the clear! I would train my cats to do it if they didn't feel that it was beneath them.
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SilverBride✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Yes this thread is amusing, but I have serious doubts about its accuracy for the following reasons:- Dogs don't have the fine motor skills to press specific keyboard buttons.
- Dog's paws are too large to hit just one key at a time. To accomplish that they would have to extend just one toe to tap just one key. But that is not possible because...
- Dogs can't use the fingers of their paws independent of each other like humans do with the fingers of their hands.
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Elvenheart✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭SilverBride wrote: »Yes this thread is amusing, but I have serious doubts about its accuracy for the following reasons:- Dogs don't have the fine motor skills to press specific keyboard buttons.
- Dog's paws are too large to hit just one key at a time. To accomplish that they would have to extend just one toe to tap just one key. But that is not possible because...
- Dogs can't use the fingers of their paws independent of each other like humans do with the fingers of their hands.
Oh, you 😊5 -
SilverBride✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Elvenheart wrote: »SilverBride wrote: »Yes this thread is amusing, but I have serious doubts about its accuracy for the following reasons:- Dogs don't have the fine motor skills to press specific keyboard buttons.
- Dog's paws are too large to hit just one key at a time. To accomplish that they would have to extend just one toe to tap just one key. But that is not possible because...
- Dogs can't use the fingers of their paws independent of each other like humans do with the fingers of their hands.
Oh, you 😊
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Bucky_13✭✭✭✭✭
✭SilverBride wrote: »Yes this thread is amusing, but I have serious doubts about its accuracy for the following reasons:- Dogs don't have the fine motor skills to press specific keyboard buttons.
- Dog's paws are too large to hit just one key at a time. To accomplish that they would have to extend just one toe to tap just one key. But that is not possible because...
- Dogs can't use the fingers of their paws independent of each other like humans do with the fingers of their hands.
I'm just gonna assume this is OPs keyboard:
https://cdn0.tnwcdn.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/1/files/2018/01/IMG_20180110_161719-796x448.jpgEdited by Bucky_13 on March 12, 2021 7:48PM4 -
AlextheMuspel✭✭✭SilverBride wrote: »Yes this thread is amusing, but I have serious doubts about its accuracy for the following reasons:
- Dogs don't have the fine motor skills to press specific keyboard buttons.
- Dog's paws are too large to hit just one key at a time. To accomplish that they would have to extend just one toe to tap just one key. But that is not possible because...
- Dogs can't use the fingers of their paws independent of each other like humans do with the fingers of their hands.
I just figured out a solution: the joysticks on gamepads would work well!
Currently I’m trying to train my doggie to recognize when to turn the direction. It’s really tricky considering you only have 2-dimensional visual information on a computer screen, which is counterintuitive for dogs. Hope he’ll get it one day!0 -
SilverBride✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭SilverBride wrote: »Yes this thread is amusing, but I have serious doubts about its accuracy for the following reasons:- Dogs don't have the fine motor skills to press specific keyboard buttons.
- Dog's paws are too large to hit just one key at a time. To accomplish that they would have to extend just one toe to tap just one key. But that is not possible because...
- Dogs can't use the fingers of their paws independent of each other like humans do with the fingers of their hands.
I'm just gonna assume this is OPs keyboard:
https://cdn0.tnwcdn.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/1/files/2018/01/IMG_20180110_161719-796x448.jpg
Even if it is, a dog just does not have the attention span to keep up an activity like that, especially unsupervised, for very long at all.
And yes, I realize this thread is not serious.PCNA2 -
WabanakiWarrior✭✭✭ANIAML ABUSE!!1! If Jackie is working, Jackie deserves a wagePS4 NA
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AlextheMuspel✭✭✭SilverBride wrote: »SilverBride wrote: »Yes this thread is amusing, but I have serious doubts about its accuracy for the following reasons:
- Dogs don't have the fine motor skills to press specific keyboard buttons.
- Dog's paws are too large to hit just one key at a time. To accomplish that they would have to extend just one toe to tap just one key. But that is not possible because...
- Dogs can't use the fingers of their paws independent of each other like humans do with the fingers of their hands.
I'm just gonna assume this is OPs keyboard:
https://cdn0.tnwcdn.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/1/files/2018/01/IMG_20180110_161719-796x448.jpg
Even if it is, a dog just does not have the attention span to keep up an activity like that, especially unsupervised, for very long at all.
And yes, I realize this thread is not serious.
Did you get what I was trying to say?
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SilverBride✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭AlextheMuspel wrote: »Did you get what I was trying to say?
Not really, but it's a cute thread anyway. 👍PCNA0 -
virtus753✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭WabanakiWarrior wrote: »ANIAML ABUSE!!1! If Jackie is working, Jackie deserves a wage
How many treats per hour?2 -
AlextheMuspel✭✭✭SilverBride wrote: »AlextheMuspel wrote: »Did you get what I was trying to say?
Not really, but it's a cute thread anyway. 👍
The point is that the grinding is so mindless and stupid even my dog can do it 1 -
virtus753✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭AlextheMuspel wrote: »SilverBride wrote: »AlextheMuspel wrote: »Did you get what I was trying to say?
Not really, but it's a cute thread anyway. 👍
The point is that the grinding is so mindless and stupid even my dog can do it
Yeah, if that was the point, I think it might have been lost in the appreciation for dog!gamers...2 -
AlextheMuspel✭✭✭AlextheMuspel wrote: »SilverBride wrote: »AlextheMuspel wrote: »Did you get what I was trying to say?
Not really, but it's a cute thread anyway. 👍
The point is that the grinding is so mindless and stupid even my dog can do it
Yeah, if that was the point, I think it might have been lost in the appreciation for dog!gamers...
I don't think a dog can actually "play" or "enjoy" the game. It can be trained to do so bc dogs enjoy treats and rewards. In this sense, the grinding is a manifestation of how game companies treat gamers like sub-humans. Grinding isn't "enjoying" the game, it's the company giving players treats so they can continuing consuming.10 -
Cave_Canem✭✭✭Why wouldn't you duo?
...and if that works, bring in the next of the pets for some dungeon action!0 -
virtus753✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭AlextheMuspel wrote: »AlextheMuspel wrote: »SilverBride wrote: »AlextheMuspel wrote: »Did you get what I was trying to say?
Not really, but it's a cute thread anyway. 👍
The point is that the grinding is so mindless and stupid even my dog can do it
Yeah, if that was the point, I think it might have been lost in the appreciation for dog!gamers...
I don't think a dog can actually "play" or "enjoy" the game. It can be trained to do so bc dogs enjoy treats and rewards. In this sense, the grinding is a manifestation of how game companies treat gamers like sub-humans. Grinding isn't "enjoying" the game, it's the company giving players treats so they can continuing consuming.
In other words you’re saying that (human) gamers are like trained dogs, in that they’ve been conditioned to grind through the use of psychological lures. In which case, a dog manipulating an input device to control a character on screen would fit this sense of gamer, right? Albeit generally a much cuter one...2
