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Rumors about Proc sets and the hard truth about the people who want them gone.
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Kurat✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭As a pve player I'm glad that PVPers lost proc sets. That means less of them farming in dungeons and less for me to carry.8 -
VaranisArano✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I never thought I'd see the old argument that "an experienced player in average, base game gear will usually beat the inexperienced player in meta gear" taken to mean "the experienced player is lazy because they didn't get the meta gear and a cheapskate who doesn't support the game because they didn't shell out for the DLC gear."
Look, ZOS wants to sell DLC gear even more than proc set fans want to use DLC gear.
So either we'll see ZOS selling some fancy new stat-based sets to capture the "No proc" market, or ZOS'll wait til they re-enable the proc set campaigns to sell some sweet proc gear.9 -
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✭As a pve player I'm glad that PVPers lost proc sets. That means less of them farming in dungeons and less for me to carry.
Had so many of these while I do my "Good Deed Roulette" (Queue for Random vets on my tanks). One dude I'm pretty sure only used snipe for the entirety of Castle Thorn.... was a VERY slow run lolDark Flare is the Beginning, Radiant is the End. Hail the Light Bringers!3 -
iksde✭✭✭✭Once they start getting 2 shot by stat builds they will beg for the return of proc sets.
I prefer to be 2shot or even 1shot by stat build which actually needed a skill, knowledge how to build and use this and most probably he wont be tankly and hard to kill if catched
rather than being killed by 2shot from procs from someone who doent need any skill or knowledge how to use them, to die melted from proc stacked dots without counter or to die from someone wearing harbineg jumping into center of fight in key place like on flag in keep or on BG and doing nothing but staying here and being unkillable as someone will kill themselfes faster than actually getting down him to even 50% of health where we will have problem to control at who our skill are firing in chaos without even ability to control our aoe skills to not touch him
now it it good step like we had in old times where duels was not lasting for entire hours because of tankniess of everyone with proc sets to do damage and heal instead player5 -
Thank you all for your input and spell correction. It’s hard to prove on a forum but I am positive that the people who want them gone are the people who do not have them . Sure you can say that you do but if you had 9 million dollars builds you would feel different.1
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Ramber✭✭✭✭Removing procs is one of many ways zos is trying to control lag. This last "update" was supposed to remove lag my removing math from CPs... it didn't work. We still cant parse on live late in the day or evenings w/o lag. abilities still miss all over the place. I just tried vVH for the first time after updating all 9 toons all week and i kept missing hail and other abilities, did way less damage and took longer and more deaths... im sure it will get fixed though they seem to keep patching the patches
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Bradyfjord✭✭✭✭✭I am not married to the idea of proc sets, but I do want more diversity than what we have without them.0 -
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This, yes we all agree the list of sets now is way to low but I to prefer current Cyrodil.BornTritonXXL wrote: »I have 9 PVP builds that I grinned , bought DLCs , invested hundreds of thousands of gold and alliance points , gold mats and a great time of thought and play into . It’s my experience that the people who want proc sets gone are the same people who do not do anything that I had to do for my 9 PVP builds. They are the people that do not do anything for there builds except ask other people to craft them sets . If you don’t believe me ask the next person you hear saying that they can’t wait till proven sets to be gone to link there gear that they are wearing and you will see . Not only are they lazy , the don’t buy anything. No DLCs or anything to contribute to the ESO community. Please speak up and save are builds from being taken away. Thank you for your time and consideration.
I've spent millions of gold crafting and golding gear (including jewellery), have 12 builds, subbed eso+ for four years and bought the collectors editions of every chapter and I prefer the current no-proc PVP.
So I guess your hypothesis is wrong then.
Grinding just make you go in circles.
Asking ZoS for nerfs is as stupid as asking for close air support from the death star.3 -
biminirwb17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭I have most sets, missing about 60 items from my sticker book, have 50 million plus gold in the bank, keep 80 gold tempers of each type in my craft bag in case I need them on a whim. Have 18 chars 11 with 200 inventory slots, A maxed bank and all storage chests stuffed full of stuff I may need when ZoS changes track.
I have a Grand Warlord playing in Cyrodiil now in non proc gear and I prefer it.4 -
Celephantsylvius_Bornasfinmo✭✭✭✭✭
✭70% of the ESO damage dealer player base is nightblade or sorcerer so.....you can imagine why they don't want proc'sets...
-Sorcs weren't all that great during the proc set period and spent most of their time running away scared of Mag DK damage
-Nightblades died all the time in the proc set period and actually had to stay hidden out of AOE procs
People prefer roll dodging into the sunset and shielding 27k HP than proc sets
It'll be over in August (hopefully), because it's going to get boring really fast, that's for sure. And I do agree with the OP. We did spend a lot of time farming all this gear for multiple characters and it's a shame to be limited in your gaming style. There were other solutions possible in my opinion, but no one likes the nerf hammer.Edited by Celephantsylvius_Bornasfinmo on March 12, 2021 10:17AM0 -
GreenhaloX✭✭✭✭✭
✭ESO wouldn't be ESO without proc sets. Proc sets are a staple of the game as CP and housing. If proc sets are eliminated from PvP, they mind as well separate Cyrodiil and PvP into a separate game of its own. If there are no proc sets in PvE.. well, I think there would be a mass exodus of this game as Moses and his clan from Egypt. Ha ha0 -
Grianasteri✭✭✭✭✭
✭Removing proc sets, removes a significant and widely appealing aspect of ESO, which is fun, often aesthetically pleasing and helpful to many with their dps or to fulfil a specific role or task.
Its sad, just really sad. Sucking all the life, fun and variety out of the game.
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✭✭✭✭✭BornTritonXXL wrote: »Thank you all for your input and spell correction. It’s hard to prove on a forum but I am positive that the people who want them gone are the people who do not have them . Sure you can say that you do but if you had 9 million dollars builds you would feel different.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWdd6_ZxX8c 4 -
Tommy_The_Gun✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭The removal of majority of sets from pvp meta, imho kinda showed the fundamental issue. Previously it was noticeable to some degree, but not as much. Now it can not be more obvious.
What I am talking about is class balance (or rather lack of it). What I am basically saying is some classes became almost unplayable and definitely are not even "competitive".
It simply looks like ZOS was balancing classes around gear they use, and not the other way arround, making them gear depend and maybe even forcing some of them to buy & grind new dungeon dlc just to be able to play on even grounds.
Take NB for example. Mag NB... can it do anything as a class without Vicious Death or Caluurion's Legacy ? Same with Stam NB. Can this class reliably be effective with only stat buffing sets ? Probably not.
Meanwhile there are some classes that can play just fine, even though we have limited choice of gear.
I hope that it sheads some light on how huge disparity we have in ESO when it comes to class balance.Edited by Tommy_The_Gun on March 12, 2021 1:25PM2 -
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✭✭✭BornTritonXXL wrote: »Thank you all for your input and spell correction. It’s hard to prove on a forum but I am positive that the people who want them gone are the people who do not have them . Sure you can say that you do but if you had 9 million dollars builds you would feel different.
I agree, I don’t have them and I don’t want them. Id much rather win or lose a fight based on my skill and not an armor set doing it for me.
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iksde✭✭✭✭BornTritonXXL wrote: »Thank you all for your input and spell correction. It’s hard to prove on a forum but I am positive that the people who want them gone are the people who do not have them . Sure you can say that you do but if you had 9 million dollars builds you would feel different.
I have most of sets, proc sets I would need them if I wanted to use them or I could easy go farm them which Im missing just like I was farming sets for PVE and I just hate these proc sets...If someone is using them or if I would use them...anyway I hate them and additionally being forced to use them to stay on par with other players makes me angry and unwilling to play it
for a reason I hate to use something like relequen on stamina in PVE0 -
iksde✭✭✭✭70% of the ESO damage dealer player base is nightblade or sorcerer so.....you can imagine why they don't want proc'sets...
yeah because also on NB there was no way to use cancer of some proc sets like dot proc sets from far away keeping distance and staying hidden while melting your opponet with dots-Sorcs weren't all that great during the proc set period and spent most of their time running away scared of Mag DK damage
-Nightblades died all the time in the proc set period and actually had to stay hidden out of AOE procs
during proc sets anything which is not tankly spent most time dead if they was not able to run away like sorc or nb
try to build nb to deal decent damage and stay tankly out of cloak like stamden - you simple cant on classes like nb or sorc to be tankly like most other stamina classes and still having a chunk of decent damage to be able to kill others and proc sets was giving even more god power to these tanky classes giving them even more damage to kill and more taniness to stay alive and still being able to kill others while someone building for full damage, glass cannon couldn't.....even had no any option to kill them if they was not able to deal insane damage from 1-2 hits from surprise into 40k+ health capped armor warden, tank, dk loaded with proc sets giving theme ven more survivability and damage at same time to kill anyone0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »The removal of majority of sets from pvp meta, imho kinda showed the fundamental issue. Previously it was noticeable to some degree, but not as much. Now it can not be more obvious.
What I am talking about is class balance (or rather lack of it). What I am basically saying is some classes became almost unplayable and definitely are not even "competitive".
It simply looks like ZOS was balancing classes around gear they use, and not the other way arround, making them gear depend and maybe even forcing some of them to buy & grind new dungeon dlc just to be able to play on even grounds.
Take NB for example. Mag NB... can it do anything as a class without Vicious Death or Caluurion's Legacy ? Same with Stam NB. Can this class reliably be effective with only stat buffing sets ? Probably not.
Meanwhile there are some classes that can play just fine, even though we have limited choice of gear.
I hope that it sheads some light on how huge disparity we have in ESO when it comes to class balance.
I somewhat disagree as my Stamblade has always done well in just Hunding's/Spriggns's setups.
Now even with out the Bloodspawn and substituting 2 mismatched monster pieces getting good numbers under the new system.1 -
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✭✭✭BornTritonXXL wrote: »Thank you all for your input and spell correction. It’s hard to prove on a forum but I am positive that the people who want them gone are the people who do not have them . Sure you can say that you do but if you had 9 million dollars builds you would feel different.
@BornTritonXXL It's also hard to prove on a forum that you're making all this up on a hunch, don't have access to the raw data that would suggest anti-proc players don't own proc sets themselves, and are blind to alternate considerations regarding the benefits of no proc sets in Cyrodiil (like, say, improved server performance so greater Cyrodiil stability and responsiveness). I also can't prove that you enjoy spending romantic evenings snuggled up in bed with a guar, but I'm just going to assume that anyway, since you're clearly okay with that.4 -
wazzz56✭✭✭✭✭BornTritonXXL wrote: »Thank you all for your input and spell correction. It’s hard to prove on a forum but I am positive that the people who want them gone are the people who do not have them . Sure you can say that you do but if you had 9 million dollars builds you would feel different.
I have em, and want them gone...Have 18 "million gold " builds as you put it as well, IDGAF about the gold Unfathomable Darkness weapons that I deconned, or the gold savarrahs body pieces, don't care about the moster sets I farmed for or arena weapons not being able to be used etc...what I care about is the fact that pvp is going to be way closer to what it was like in the pre 1t 1.6 days ..Hard truth is your opinion isn't fact and you being "positive" about who wants them gone does not make it truth. It is what it is, adapt brother, adapt.GM Tig Ole Critties ps5 NA small scale PvP guild
"After a hard week of farming, or a long night of being nagged by your wife, there is nothing better than going out for a bit of a fish."6 -
wazzz56✭✭✭✭✭TequilaFire wrote: »Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »The removal of majority of sets from pvp meta, imho kinda showed the fundamental issue. Previously it was noticeable to some degree, but not as much. Now it can not be more obvious.
What I am talking about is class balance (or rather lack of it). What I am basically saying is some classes became almost unplayable and definitely are not even "competitive".
It simply looks like ZOS was balancing classes around gear they use, and not the other way arround, making them gear depend and maybe even forcing some of them to buy & grind new dungeon dlc just to be able to play on even grounds.
Take NB for example. Mag NB... can it do anything as a class without Vicious Death or Caluurion's Legacy ? Same with Stam NB. Can this class reliably be effective with only stat buffing sets ? Probably not.
Meanwhile there are some classes that can play just fine, even though we have limited choice of gear.
I hope that it sheads some light on how huge disparity we have in ESO when it comes to class balance.
I somewhat disagree as my Stamblade has always done well in just Hunding's/Spriggns's setups.
Now even with out the Bloodspawn and substituting 2 mismatched monster pieces getting good numbers under the new system.
yeah stamblade is going to fine, magblade should be ok as well.....GM Tig Ole Critties ps5 NA small scale PvP guild
"After a hard week of farming, or a long night of being nagged by your wife, there is nothing better than going out for a bit of a fish."0 -
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✭Darkstorne wrote: »BornTritonXXL wrote: »Thank you all for your input and spell correction. It’s hard to prove on a forum but I am positive that the people who want them gone are the people who do not have them . Sure you can say that you do but if you had 9 million dollars builds you would feel different.
@BornTritonXXL It's also hard to prove on a forum that you're making all this up on a hunch, don't have access to the raw data that would suggest anti-proc players don't own proc sets themselves, and are blind to alternate considerations regarding the benefits of no proc sets in Cyrodiil (like, say, improved server performance so greater Cyrodiil stability and responsiveness). I also can't prove that you enjoy spending romantic evenings snuggled up in bed with a guar, but I'm just going to assume that anyway, since you're clearly okay with that.
There are people who post here who have admitted to not playing anymore also. I really think forum access should be restricted to read only if you no longer play ESO. Since it's free to play if you haven't logged in to the game in a week access should be restricted. I don't know how well that would work. But I feel they shouldn't take people's opinions as gospel either.0 -
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✭✭✭FantasticFreddie wrote: »I am enjoying the feel of pvp right now.... and I have spent tons of telvar, gold to gold the sets out, money at traders, crystals to change traits, time farming dungeons, etc.
Don't assume.
Same. I never asked for proc sets gone. I spent alot of AP to get a full VD set. And I was making good gold selling the extras, even during the test until the extension. But I have to say, now that they are gone, pvp is more fun.
If you're type of player goes around without a group, who can read a situation, likes the freedom to go where they want, and who still wants to take and defend objectives, this is probably the best time to PvP in Cyrodiil. Once again we can heal allies. I have seen maybe one ball group win a fight. The rest get whittled down. You have a few builds that are still hard to kill, but they're not getting any kills themselves now. I have seen a couple sorcs that are pretty strong, but they are still the rare exception. Anyone thinking they'll just run a sorc too and be just as good, you aren't. You have to learn the class, any class, to be good in PvP right now.Main: Drio Azul ~ DC, Redguard, Healer/Magicka Templar ~ NA-PC
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This, yes we all agree the list of sets now is way to low but I to prefer current Cyrodil.BornTritonXXL wrote: »I have 9 PVP builds that I grinned , bought DLCs , invested hundreds of thousands of gold and alliance points , gold mats and a great time of thought and play into . It’s my experience that the people who want proc sets gone are the same people who do not do anything that I had to do for my 9 PVP builds. They are the people that do not do anything for there builds except ask other people to craft them sets . If you don’t believe me ask the next person you hear saying that they can’t wait till proven sets to be gone to link there gear that they are wearing and you will see . Not only are they lazy , the don’t buy anything. No DLCs or anything to contribute to the ESO community. Please speak up and save are builds from being taken away. Thank you for your time and consideration.
I've spent millions of gold crafting and golding gear (including jewellery), have 12 builds, subbed eso+ for four years and bought the collectors editions of every chapter and I prefer the current no-proc PVP.
So I guess your hypothesis is wrong then.
Also this... I have played for nearly 3 years have 13 characters 5 of which I regularly PvP with. Have had ESO+ for the entire time I've played and bought every chapter collector's edition. Though I don't have many proc sets, because I simply don't want them. I have solo'd most the dungeons in the game when I wanted a 5 piece set and have solo'd castle thorn, but I simply don't want to crutch on proc sets.
If you do that's your choice, but calling people lazy is a ridiculous theory as to why people don't like them😂 it is quite simply a distraction from being unable to create a counter argument to people that say procs are unbalanced. You can't argue that point because quite simply proc sets aren't balanced. Neither mathematically or in practice. Ultimately whether an item set is balanced amongst others is the most important thing IMO. Accusations about laziness bare no relevance here...Edited by relentless_turnip on March 12, 2021 3:23PM3 -
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✭Well OP, I hate to say this but you are so wrong. I used a few proc sets before, the proc meta was bad tho and I do find PvP more fun without all the proc sets. And I don't fall into the remarkably broad generalisation you made as I have tons of dungeon and trial sets on hand for my alts, mainly in PvE.
So I will return your broad generalisation with one of my own. You're more of a PvE player than a PvP player, and you enjoyed being carried by proc sets rather that developing any form of skill. Now that the proc sets have been taken away from you, you will use any arguments to get them back instead of doing the sensible thing, which would be to put in hours of practice to improve your skills in PvP...5 -
AndrezsSoul ShrivenThe people that want procs gone are probably the ones that play PVP the most and have been around the longest. The ones that want procs to stay , are mostly the skilless ones that get carried by proc sets and run with 45k HP, a stamden or necro and 2 proc sets. Let me know which one you are!6
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✭✭As someone who worked hard to farm his sets, gold them out, and get almost decent in PVP...
You'll be fine. You'll get new sets, new strats, and be back to being good at PVP in no time.
People seem to love focusing on what they lost in this game instead of focusing on getting back to being good.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭This post reminds me of the one comment in one of these threads last week that boiled down to, "If they're so OP, why don't you use them?"
I mean, if you don't see how the question answers itself....Edited by MasterSpatula on March 12, 2021 5:43PM"A probable impossibility is preferable to an improbable possibility." - Aristotle2 -
Grimhallow✭✭✭BornTritonXXL wrote: »It’s my experience that the people who want proc sets gone are the same people who do not do anything that I had to do for my 9 PVP builds.
Lol as a PVP main who still does thousands of hours of PVE to grind and test every build I can get my hands on, I couldn't disagree with you more.
No-Proc cyro is possibly the most balanced the game has ever felt. The CP and base damage changes to "kind-of battlespirit" may need some tweaks, but even as they are this is the most fun I have ever had in PvP; even when I die, because my death recap is full of abilities that another player had to press a button to use.
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