lolo_01b16_ESO wrote: »If you could do both healing and dps without switching cp in the old system, you can also do it now.
lolo_01b16_ESO wrote: »If you could do both healing and dps without switching cp in the old system, you can also do it now.
similar position, except only cp 1200 but 4 healers and 6 tanks.
posted this in another thread:
find something else to play. in the meantime you just burn your enlightenment. With 4 chars and 100% ambrosias you only need to log in every 8 days. do 4 random dailies to burn the accumulated 3.2M enlightenment. log off.
In a year you'll be 146M Xp further and CP 1824. With just 4 randoms every 8 days.
Can always grind a week during double Xp events. Or do some writs. To make it less than a year. Or to get to higher CP in that year. Though at 1800 you'll hit the 50% penalty wall again...
As someone who both heals and DDs on the same characters, I'm not seeing the issue.
In the old system if I wanted to fully spec as one or the other, I'd have to change CP (Blessed) and therefore pay gold. But generally healing on DD CP was always fine and in many cases better.
In the new system I would again need to change CP to fully spec as one or the other, and pay gold (once the current event ends), but again - DD CP will usually be fine to heal from.
The huge amount of overhealing that you get with a full healer set up means you basically never need a full healer set up. With the CP you have you should be able to afford a couple of extra slottables at least to switch around if those are really an issue for you.
Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »similar position, except only cp 1200 but 4 healers and 6 tanks.
posted this in another thread:
find something else to play. in the meantime you just burn your enlightenment. With 4 chars and 100% ambrosias you only need to log in every 8 days. do 4 random dailies to burn the accumulated 3.2M enlightenment. log off.
In a year you'll be 146M Xp further and CP 1824. With just 4 randoms every 8 days.
Can always grind a week during double Xp events. Or do some writs. To make it less than a year. Or to get to higher CP in that year. Though at 1800 you'll hit the 50% penalty wall again...
That is a massive over reaction IMO. Anyone over 1000 CP is just fine. You simply dont need to grind to play this game effectively in this CP range. Accept that they nerfed everyone by a small amount and move on. Not the first blanket nerf, wont be the last. I do agree that they are throwing XP at us with the dungeon finder. I am at 1370, and I got 10 CP in a little less than two hours via the dungeon finder. At this rate, I expect to be at 1800 by may.
Kalik_Gold wrote: »I know on PC the players could use an addon to switch gear and basically have a healer set, tank set, dps set. With just changing attributes and skills.
Honestly just dedicate each character to one role, like us console guys. From my understanding 1200 CP will be enough to fulfill one role respectively.
Just my 2¢
Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »similar position, except only cp 1200 but 4 healers and 6 tanks.
posted this in another thread:
find something else to play. in the meantime you just burn your enlightenment. With 4 chars and 100% ambrosias you only need to log in every 8 days. do 4 random dailies to burn the accumulated 3.2M enlightenment. log off.
In a year you'll be 146M Xp further and CP 1824. With just 4 randoms every 8 days.
Can always grind a week during double Xp events. Or do some writs. To make it less than a year. Or to get to higher CP in that year. Though at 1800 you'll hit the 50% penalty wall again...
That is a massive over reaction IMO. Anyone over 1000 CP is just fine. You simply dont need to grind to play this game effectively in this CP range. Accept that they nerfed everyone by a small amount and move on. Not the first blanket nerf, wont be the last. I do agree that they are throwing XP at us with the dungeon finder. I am at 1370, and I got 10 CP in a little less than two hours via the dungeon finder. At this rate, I expect to be at 1800 by may.
did you even read the OP. Topic here is wanting dual purpose chars. 1000CP is sooo not enough for halfway decent specs in both.
10cp in 2 hours via dungeon finder? did you have enlightenment stored up?
1370 to 1380 is 3.5M Xp. Without enlightenment that's like 14 random dailies on 14 different chars chugging 150% pots/scrolls.
Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »similar position, except only cp 1200 but 4 healers and 6 tanks.
posted this in another thread:
find something else to play. in the meantime you just burn your enlightenment. With 4 chars and 100% ambrosias you only need to log in every 8 days. do 4 random dailies to burn the accumulated 3.2M enlightenment. log off.
In a year you'll be 146M Xp further and CP 1824. With just 4 randoms every 8 days.
Can always grind a week during double Xp events. Or do some writs. To make it less than a year. Or to get to higher CP in that year. Though at 1800 you'll hit the 50% penalty wall again...
That is a massive over reaction IMO. Anyone over 1000 CP is just fine. You simply dont need to grind to play this game effectively in this CP range. Accept that they nerfed everyone by a small amount and move on. Not the first blanket nerf, wont be the last. I do agree that they are throwing XP at us with the dungeon finder. I am at 1370, and I got 10 CP in a little less than two hours via the dungeon finder. At this rate, I expect to be at 1800 by may.
did you even read the OP. Topic here is wanting dual purpose chars. 1000CP is sooo not enough for halfway decent specs in both.
10cp in 2 hours via dungeon finder? did you have enlightenment stored up?
1370 to 1380 is 3.5M Xp. Without enlightenment that's like 14 random dailies on 14 different chars chugging 150% pots/scrolls.
I did. And I responded. Nothing has changed!!! If you wanted a duel spec last patch, you had to make compromises or respec between swapping roles. That is exactly the same as it is now. Are the compromises bigger, perhaps, but it is not the end of the world, especially considering your CP has a FAR smaller impact on your damage than it did last week.
As to the enlightenment, nope. Maybe a days worth. I am up 20 CP since the Monday, and only thing I did on Monday was Respec my toons and run the two new dungeons one time each. I ran Random Normals on 11 Alts last night, all use XP scrolls and most are in training gear, and a lot of them were also able to complete a quest, which is also a nice chunk of XP. I was getting just under 1 cp run, average run time was about 10 minutes. There is more XP than just the groupfinder bonus.
Total content played since patch to the best of my memory:
Since Monday, I have run the two new dungeons a total of twice each on Vet, an Ice reach Vet HM, and a Moongrave on Vet. On Tuesday I did 6-7 random normals and on Wednesday I did 11. I also leveled a character on my Alt account to level 10 by having my Main carry him in skyreach. Did 6-7runs to get him to level 10, so throw that in there as well. All and all I was at 1360 on patch day and am at 1380 now.
Maybe 5-6 hours of Combat playtime. I also do writs on each toon that I do a random normal, but writ XP is low. I can typically do writs and a random normal in 10 minutes, not counting load screens.
Old system had seriously diminishing results on most cp skills. putting in 50% of the point got you to 80% (not exact numbers, forgot how bad diminishing return was). New system has linear scaling on individual cp skills and requires a boatload more cp points to boot.
In short with the old system one could make a much better healer/dps than with the new system. Unless one has a boatload of CPs.
Old system: If you wanted to optimise yourself as an all out healer, you put CP into Blessed, regardless of whether you maxed it out or not.
So, while I have not dual purposed officially, I feel like my Templar healer is hitting a lot harder than she used to. I put her points mainly into the healing CP,, and the passives are common ground. I'm at 1450 CP right now.
cynicalbutterfly wrote: »But with enough cp you should have no problems to place points how you want.
oh....might wanna hop onto the test server and use a cp 3600 template char to figure out how many cp you would need to get to the border of the promised land.
Table I made will tell you how much Xp you need to get from 1485 to there:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1uS2H-elnpVngKOMBqwl3LHytDHSOBwmDfDoQHHOtoh4/edit?usp=sharing
I have four (4) Characters that with the old CP using the 810 CP I could Heal or DPS with just a simple bar swap for overland and Normal Dungeons & Trials. While for some Vet Trials a one bar weapon swap and a few skill changes depending on the Vet Trial and if I am Healing or DPS.
With the new CP and the "unlocked"1482 CP can cannot do this. Since Heals and DPS are opposite side of the "Tree" and will take much more CP that I have to enable both sides.
Should I just leave one (1) to Heal only? And make the others DPS only?
Old system: If you wanted to optimise yourself as an all out healer, you put CP into Blessed, regardless of whether you maxed it out or not.
Nope, that would be if you wanted to maximise yourself as an all out healer. Old system with diminishing returns you could just put way less points into Blessed and barely loose anything. And maybe not be a maximised healer. But damn close enough. With plenty points saved up to definitely not be a maximised DD either. But much better than the fullout healer and much closer to a maxed out DD than is possible with new system. Unless you have a boatload of CP.
Basically a playstyle that ppl like me or OP have enjoyed for thousands of hours is now gone. And we'll only get it back in another thousands of hours when we have enough CP for dual spec in new system.
Old system: If you wanted to optimise yourself as an all out healer, you put CP into Blessed, regardless of whether you maxed it out or not.
Nope, that would be if you wanted to maximise yourself as an all out healer. Old system with diminishing returns you could just put way less points into Blessed and barely loose anything. And maybe not be a maximised healer. But damn close enough. With plenty points saved up to definitely not be a maximised DD either. But much better than the fullout healer and much closer to a maxed out DD than is possible with new system. Unless you have a boatload of CP.
Basically a playstyle that ppl like me or OP have enjoyed for thousands of hours is now gone. And we'll only get it back in another thousands of hours when we have enough CP for dual spec in new system.
Nothing changes that if you put any CP into Blessed at all to heal in the old system, then you needed to switch them if playing an "optimised" DD build on that character at other times. I was not talking about hybrid builds - given I mention "optimised".
Old system: If you wanted to optimise yourself as an all out healer, you put CP into Blessed, regardless of whether you maxed it out or not.
Nope, that would be if you wanted to maximise yourself as an all out healer. Old system with diminishing returns you could just put way less points into Blessed and barely loose anything. And maybe not be a maximised healer. But damn close enough. With plenty points saved up to definitely not be a maximised DD either. But much better than the fullout healer and much closer to a maxed out DD than is possible with new system. Unless you have a boatload of CP.
Basically a playstyle that ppl like me or OP have enjoyed for thousands of hours is now gone. And we'll only get it back in another thousands of hours when we have enough CP for dual spec in new system.
Nothing changes that if you put any CP into Blessed at all to heal in the old system, then you needed to switch them if playing an "optimised" DD build on that character at other times. I was not talking about hybrid builds - given I mention "optimised".
what's the point of doing that in a thread that is clearly not about 100% minmax optimised dd or heal thread? but about builds that can do both without respecc.
oh....might wanna hop onto the test server and use a cp 3600 template char to figure out how many cp you would need to get to the border of the promised land.
Table I made will tell you how much Xp you need to get from 1485 to there:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1uS2H-elnpVngKOMBqwl3LHytDHSOBwmDfDoQHHOtoh4/edit?usp=sharing
Nice table thanks for sharing.
Stay strong and safe and enjoy the journey