The Elder Hackers, Exploiters, Gold Famers Online.

whooligans · April 2014

ZIKE wrote: »

In the end, its all about profit

whooligans wrote: »

Blu3d0gd3m0cr8ts wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

Bots are common in every game, ZOS does a fantastic job stopping them you should all look at how little other games do to stop them.

*checks his email to see if he's got his mail inviting him to work for ZOS yet*

On a serious note... there are bots in every game, there are gold sellers in every game. Should that mean ZOS get a free ride? No, because in this game they're impacting content more than others. The difference with ESO is that with public dungeons they're far more visible to the games population.
However they know there are bots, I can link you all the official statements if you like? There is even one from Matt Firor now.

If you have some kind of magical coding bullet to forever make bots vanish from MMO games please by all means give it to ZOS, hell patience that and make millions from every MMO company out there.

You're right bots are in every game, but lets not be fan boys for just one instance and ask , why after years of MMO development has there been no solution to this. I tell you why, because even boters and farmers have to pay a sub of 14.99 and purchase the game !

Facepalm, more conspiracy theories?

In the end, its about profit. Why would this idea be so hard to believe?

Not much profit from stolen creditcard numbers or hacked accounts. While there are also alot who do buy legitemate accounts to bot for profit, pissing off the community and making people leave sure as hell isn't the road to profit.

Blu3d0gd3m0cr8ts · April 2014

Koltiros1005b14a_ESO wrote: »

This isn't the way to get that solution, they know about it, they're trying to stop it as evidenced by GMs popping in certain dungeons, do they need to come up with a better way? Sure, they do. But beating a dead horse with explicitly named titles that mock the game is not the way to do it.

The Devs mock US by not doing anything about the problem. Whats with the corporate entitlement support from posters like you, as if they could do nothing wrong. I am a paying customer and i will demand satisfaction. I personally am not one to lay down and eat scraps from the floor of some corporate overlord ! You can sell your self for 14.99 all you want, its your choice, I won't and either should anyone else who plays this game.

Eris · April 2014

Blu3d0gd3m0cr8ts wrote: »

I personally am tired of seeing all of the gold farmers and exploiters in this game. I personally spend atleast half of my available game time putting in tickets to help correct the situation and it only seems to get worse. You can post on forums here but all you get in people saying, "Oh its an MMO , you'll always have hackers" etc etc. Yes youre right it is an MMO, but they fact is there are NO mmo's out there that have the amount of hackers , exploiters and gold spammers as this game does. Not even World of Warcraft ! Do something about it ESO or this game isn't going to have a serious community for long.

Really, it's okay dude. I'm as tired of seeing new threads about gold farmers and exploiters. You are really as much a spammer as the gold farmers by doing this.

You really aren't saying anything that hasn't already been said, there is no need for another forum thread on tis topic. You would have been better adding your voice to the hundreds of others in the threads that have been here since launch.

Koltiros1005b14a_ESO · April 2014

These posts are many and each one is dumber then next, you aren't "fighting" anymore at this point you're whining and I guarantee thread titles like this makes the devs NOT want to help with the situation.

Oblongship · April 2014

Blu3d0gd3m0cr8ts wrote: »

Koltiros1005b14a_ESO wrote: »

This isn't the way to get that solution, they know about it, they're trying to stop it as evidenced by GMs popping in certain dungeons, do they need to come up with a better way? Sure, they do. But beating a dead horse with explicitly named titles that mock the game is not the way to do it.

The Devs mock US by not doing anything about the problem. Whats with the corporate entitlement support from posters like you, as if they could do nothing wrong. I am a paying customer and i will demand satisfaction. I personally am not one to lay down and eat scraps from the floor of some corporate overlord ! You can sell your self for 14.99 all you want, its your choice, I won't and either should anyone else who plays this game.

Move along people it is just a miss informed and reluctant to read user trying to get everyone all riled up.

If he took 3 seconds and head over to see a post right from ZOS outlining what they are doing (posted 2 days ago) specifically talking about bots...

If you don't like it OP speak with your wallet stop making threads complaining about this crap and clogging it up for people with REAL problems.

FezzikVizzini · April 2014

whooligans wrote: »

Blu3d0gd3m0cr8ts wrote: »

whooligans wrote: »

I quess you have never played GW2 on launch or Aion. Go queue for some random bgs in WoW and see how invested they are with bots, esp on eu servers.

FWIW, i made a new alt last night and i hardly saw any goldspam nor node teleport hackers like I used to see.

They are doing something about bots, it's just not snapping with your fingers and they're all gone. It takes time.

I have in fact played those game, and I do in fact play them now and i can tell you there are not as many farmers in those games as there are here period.

Ofcourse not. http://www.guildwars2guru.com/topic/73466-guild-wars-2-has-a-serious-bot-problem-are-they-even-doing-anything-about-it/page__st__30

http://games.slashdot.org/story/09/10/06/0540254/gold-spam-becoming-a-sore-topic-for-aion-players

http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/3010643631

http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=201124

I gave up clicking on the links you give when the 1st two that I looked at were dated 2009 and 2012.

Yep. posting links to threads that are years old certainly prooves that any problems in those games still exist.

Dumb, just dumb.

starkerealm · April 2014

FezzikVizzini wrote: »

whooligans wrote: »

Blu3d0gd3m0cr8ts wrote: »

whooligans wrote: »

I quess you have never played GW2 on launch or Aion. Go queue for some random bgs in WoW and see how invested they are with bots, esp on eu servers.

FWIW, i made a new alt last night and i hardly saw any goldspam nor node teleport hackers like I used to see.

They are doing something about bots, it's just not snapping with your fingers and they're all gone. It takes time.

I have in fact played those game, and I do in fact play them now and i can tell you there are not as many farmers in those games as there are here period.

Ofcourse not. http://www.guildwars2guru.com/topic/73466-guild-wars-2-has-a-serious-bot-problem-are-they-even-doing-anything-about-it/page__st__30

http://games.slashdot.org/story/09/10/06/0540254/gold-spam-becoming-a-sore-topic-for-aion-players

http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/3010643631

http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=201124

I gave up clicking on the links you give when the 1st two that I looked at were dated 2009 and 2012.

Yep. posting links to threads that are years old certainly prooves that any problems in those games still exist.

Dumb, just dumb.

I think they were saying that this is a common launch issue.

Blu3d0gd3m0cr8ts · April 2014

Eris wrote: »

Blu3d0gd3m0cr8ts wrote: »

I personally am tired of seeing all of the gold farmers and exploiters in this game. I personally spend atleast half of my available game time putting in tickets to help correct the situation and it only seems to get worse. You can post on forums here but all you get in people saying, "Oh its an MMO , you'll always have hackers" etc etc. Yes youre right it is an MMO, but they fact is there are NO mmo's out there that have the amount of hackers , exploiters and gold spammers as this game does. Not even World of Warcraft ! Do something about it ESO or this game isn't going to have a serious community for long.

Really, it's okay dude. I'm as tired of seeing new threads about gold farmers and exploiters. You are really as much a spammer as the gold farmers by doing this.

You really aren't saying anything that hasn't already been said, there is no need for another forum thread on tis topic. You would have been better adding your voice to the hundreds of others in the threads that have been here since launch.

Wrong sir, I'm not a spammer and you do the worlds gaming community an injustice by even suggesting that. This is about the poor quality of recent game content released by game developers. I am a gamer with a voice and that voice , spoken loudly enough, will be heard by millions of my brother and sisters who feel the same way. and we will not be silenced by your complacent logic. FUS RO DAH !!!

Oblongship · April 2014

Blu3d0gd3m0cr8ts wrote: »

Eris wrote: »

Blu3d0gd3m0cr8ts wrote: »

I personally am tired of seeing all of the gold farmers and exploiters in this game. I personally spend atleast half of my available game time putting in tickets to help correct the situation and it only seems to get worse. You can post on forums here but all you get in people saying, "Oh its an MMO , you'll always have hackers" etc etc. Yes youre right it is an MMO, but they fact is there are NO mmo's out there that have the amount of hackers , exploiters and gold spammers as this game does. Not even World of Warcraft ! Do something about it ESO or this game isn't going to have a serious community for long.

Really, it's okay dude. I'm as tired of seeing new threads about gold farmers and exploiters. You are really as much a spammer as the gold farmers by doing this.

You really aren't saying anything that hasn't already been said, there is no need for another forum thread on tis topic. You would have been better adding your voice to the hundreds of others in the threads that have been here since launch.

Wrong sir, I'm not a spammer and you do the worlds gaming community an injustice by even suggesting that. This is about the poor quality of recent game content released by game developers. I am a gamer with a voice and that voice , spoken loudly enough, will be heard by millions of my brother and sisters who feel the same way. and we will not be silenced by your complacent logic. FUS RO DAH !!!

Thank you for showing everyone you are a nut job lol...

By the way

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/85974/state-of-the-game-address#latest

read before you post...

FezzikVizzini · April 2014

starkerealm wrote: »

FezzikVizzini wrote: »

whooligans wrote: »

Blu3d0gd3m0cr8ts wrote: »

whooligans wrote: »

I quess you have never played GW2 on launch or Aion. Go queue for some random bgs in WoW and see how invested they are with bots, esp on eu servers.

FWIW, i made a new alt last night and i hardly saw any goldspam nor node teleport hackers like I used to see.

They are doing something about bots, it's just not snapping with your fingers and they're all gone. It takes time.

I have in fact played those game, and I do in fact play them now and i can tell you there are not as many farmers in those games as there are here period.

Ofcourse not. http://www.guildwars2guru.com/topic/73466-guild-wars-2-has-a-serious-bot-problem-are-they-even-doing-anything-about-it/page__st__30

http://games.slashdot.org/story/09/10/06/0540254/gold-spam-becoming-a-sore-topic-for-aion-players

http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/3010643631

http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=201124

I gave up clicking on the links you give when the 1st two that I looked at were dated 2009 and 2012.

Yep. posting links to threads that are years old certainly prooves that any problems in those games still exist.

Dumb, just dumb.

I think they were saying that this is a common launch issue.

Nope, poster was saying that those games currently have nowhere near as many bots and spammers.

Poster said
"I have in fact played those game, and I do in fact play them now and i can tell you there are not as many farmers in those games as there are here period."

Then this dummy posted links to really old threads.

whooligans · April 2014

FezzikVizzini wrote: »

whooligans wrote: »

Blu3d0gd3m0cr8ts wrote: »

whooligans wrote: »

I quess you have never played GW2 on launch or Aion. Go queue for some random bgs in WoW and see how invested they are with bots, esp on eu servers.

FWIW, i made a new alt last night and i hardly saw any goldspam nor node teleport hackers like I used to see.

They are doing something about bots, it's just not snapping with your fingers and they're all gone. It takes time.

I have in fact played those game, and I do in fact play them now and i can tell you there are not as many farmers in those games as there are here period.

Ofcourse not. http://www.guildwars2guru.com/topic/73466-guild-wars-2-has-a-serious-bot-problem-are-they-even-doing-anything-about-it/page__st__30

http://games.slashdot.org/story/09/10/06/0540254/gold-spam-becoming-a-sore-topic-for-aion-players

http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/3010643631

http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=201124

I gave up clicking on the links you give when the 1st two that I looked at were dated 2009 and 2012.

Yep. posting links to threads that are years old certainly prooves that any problems in those games still exist.

Dumb, just dumb.

We were talking about game launches. And if you think those games are now free of bots then lol. WoW still has a bot problem, in random bgs the problem has never been worse in all the years I have played the game.

People were posting stuff that what is happening in EsO never happened in other launches, hence the links.

Here's what happens in the real world, devs are coming up with solutions eventually to reduce the amount of bots, it takes time.

And before talking about dumb, it's proves btw.

EDIT: Been playing the game for 2 hours now and I haven't seen any goldspam nor teleporting hackers in the starter zones so far. And I have reported many before.

EDIT2: Just found one, and reported. Still far less than I was used to.

helgekhb16_ESO · April 2014

If ZOS had botherd to answer 1 of the 100's posts about the botters and what they actually do to combat them or made a new sticky or updated the old ones that basicly tells us very little maybee these types of posts wouldnt pop up every hour.
Players have asked them a lot of questions about this and none have gotten answered that i have seen other then a miniscule amount of info in the sticky.
We asked over and over why they aint doing stuff that in my and very many other view are good ideas that cost little to implement and no answers and apparently no actions taken from ZOS either. A lot of players so frustrated they have canceld their subs over this and many more seriously considering it cause we havnt seen any progress in this case yet. And during beta the devs basicly promised spam and botting would be dealt with harsh and quickly.

Blu3d0gd3m0cr8ts · April 2014

Oblongship wrote: »

Blu3d0gd3m0cr8ts wrote: »

Eris wrote: »

Blu3d0gd3m0cr8ts wrote: »

I personally am tired of seeing all of the gold farmers and exploiters in this game. I personally spend atleast half of my available game time putting in tickets to help correct the situation and it only seems to get worse. You can post on forums here but all you get in people saying, "Oh its an MMO , you'll always have hackers" etc etc. Yes youre right it is an MMO, but they fact is there are NO mmo's out there that have the amount of hackers , exploiters and gold spammers as this game does. Not even World of Warcraft ! Do something about it ESO or this game isn't going to have a serious community for long.

Really, it's okay dude. I'm as tired of seeing new threads about gold farmers and exploiters. You are really as much a spammer as the gold farmers by doing this.

You really aren't saying anything that hasn't already been said, there is no need for another forum thread on tis topic. You would have been better adding your voice to the hundreds of others in the threads that have been here since launch.

Wrong sir, I'm not a spammer and you do the worlds gaming community an injustice by even suggesting that. This is about the poor quality of recent game content released by game developers. I am a gamer with a voice and that voice , spoken loudly enough, will be heard by millions of my brother and sisters who feel the same way. and we will not be silenced by your complacent logic. FUS RO DAH !!!

Thank you for showing everyone you are a nut job lol...

By the way

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/85974/state-of-the-game-address#latest

read before you post...

Yeah that's corporate logic at its finest, call the voice of the people crazy.
There's a good story that reflects the attitude of indifference towards a certain community that posters like yourself and the Dev's have done . and one of the famous quotes in that story reads something like this "Qu'ils mangent de la brioche" .

It's only a matter of time.

Oblongship · April 2014

helgekhb16_ESO wrote: »

If ZOS had botherd to answer 1 of the 100's posts about the botters and what they actually do to combat them or made a new sticky or updated the old ones that basicly tells us very little maybee these types of posts wouldnt pop up every hour.
Players have asked them a lot of questions about this and none have gotten answered that i have seen other then a miniscule amount of info in the sticky.
We asked over and over why they aint doing stuff that in my and very many other view are good ideas that cost little to implement and no answers and apparently no actions taken from ZOS either. A lot of players so frustrated they have canceld their subs over this and many more seriously considering it cause we havnt seen any progress in this case yet. And during beta the devs basicly promised spam and botting would be dealt with harsh and quickly.

*cough*

l2read

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/85974/state-of-the-game-address#latest

ZIKE · April 2014

whooligans wrote: »

FezzikVizzini wrote: »

whooligans wrote: »

Blu3d0gd3m0cr8ts wrote: »

whooligans wrote: »

I quess you have never played GW2 on launch or Aion. Go queue for some random bgs in WoW and see how invested they are with bots, esp on eu servers.

FWIW, i made a new alt last night and i hardly saw any goldspam nor node teleport hackers like I used to see.

They are doing something about bots, it's just not snapping with your fingers and they're all gone. It takes time.

I have in fact played those game, and I do in fact play them now and i can tell you there are not as many farmers in those games as there are here period.

Ofcourse not. http://www.guildwars2guru.com/topic/73466-guild-wars-2-has-a-serious-bot-problem-are-they-even-doing-anything-about-it/page__st__30

http://games.slashdot.org/story/09/10/06/0540254/gold-spam-becoming-a-sore-topic-for-aion-players

http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/3010643631

http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=201124

I gave up clicking on the links you give when the 1st two that I looked at were dated 2009 and 2012.

Yep. posting links to threads that are years old certainly prooves that any problems in those games still exist.

Dumb, just dumb.

We were talking about game launches. And if you think those games are now free of bots then lol. WoW still has a bot problem, in random bgs the problem has never been worse in all the years I have played the game.

People were posting stuff that what is happening in EsO never happened in other launches, hence the links.

Here's what happens in the real world, devs are coming up with solutions eventually to reduce the amount of bots, it takes time.

And before talking about dumb, it's proves btw.

Your exaggerating the actual comments posted by the community to attempt to justify your point. Yes, just about every other new MMO at lunch has had this same type of activity, but never at the scale ESO has. This point is very accurate. Basically, your half right.

stefaan.de.wasch1b16_ESO · April 2014

You guys do realise that Multi-boxing is actualy allowed in WoW right ??? 3-4 casters all on stick casting the identical spell the same second in PvP for the win ?

Yeah... that's actualy allowed in wow. I got told this with a nudge and a wink when I asked if I could recruit myself as a friend for the mount by their CS...

I'd much rather see bots in PvE content then a huge zerg of them nuking every one in Cyrodiil

Paske · April 2014

So far there has been plenty of evidence of Game Masters and general support staff fighting as hard as they can to stop gold farmers.

From massive bans, that sadly hit some people unjustly but that was a risk, to GMs manually entering dungeons and banning bots.

Yes, farmers come again, but only because this is new and rich environment. All support can do is to continue banning sellers and buyers.

WoW has many, many bots running around. From PVP to PVE and resource farming.

EVE with mining bots, rating bots even incursion bots and not to mention the game breaking, show stoping, market manipulation bots ( you have to play the game to understand the magnitude of this problem ).

They are all fighting them.

Also many if not most gold farmers use stolen / fraudelent credit cards or cancel transactions after receiving CD key for the game. Treating all, except "mule" accounts as throw away accounts.

So yes, it is a problem and it is being dealt with. What most people need to do is take a step back and realize devs are doing what they can. It takes time. Screaming and kicking, sadly, will help the situation.

ZIKE · April 2014

stefaan.de.wasch1b16_ESO wrote: »

You guys do realise that Multi-boxing is actualy allowed in WoW right ??? 3-4 casters all on stick casting the identical spell the same second in PvP for the win ?

Yeah... that's actualy allowed in wow. I got told this with a nudge and a wink when I asked if I could recruit myself as a friend for the mount by their CS...

I'd much rather see bots in PvE content then a huge zerg of them nuking every one in Cyrodiil

I do recall a few years back seeing the screen shots of a rich fellow that botted 37 accounts and Blizzard said this was perfectly okay. This guy had what looked like 20 or so laptops all running WoW.

cubansyrusb16_ESO · April 2014

Blu3d0gd3m0cr8ts wrote: »

Eris wrote: »

Blu3d0gd3m0cr8ts wrote: »

I personally am tired of seeing all of the gold farmers and exploiters in this game. I personally spend atleast half of my available game time putting in tickets to help correct the situation and it only seems to get worse. You can post on forums here but all you get in people saying, "Oh its an MMO , you'll always have hackers" etc etc. Yes youre right it is an MMO, but they fact is there are NO mmo's out there that have the amount of hackers , exploiters and gold spammers as this game does. Not even World of Warcraft ! Do something about it ESO or this game isn't going to have a serious community for long.

Really, it's okay dude. I'm as tired of seeing new threads about gold farmers and exploiters. You are really as much a spammer as the gold farmers by doing this.

You really aren't saying anything that hasn't already been said, there is no need for another forum thread on tis topic. You would have been better adding your voice to the hundreds of others in the threads that have been here since launch.

Wrong sir, I'm not a spammer and you do the worlds gaming community an injustice by even suggesting that. This is about the poor quality of recent game content released by game developers. I am a gamer with a voice and that voice , spoken loudly enough, will be heard by millions of my brother and sisters who feel the same way. and we will not be silenced by your complacent logic. FUS RO DAH !!!

I have a dream .......

OK this really has to be said after reading all his posts soooo .....

Man shut up you sound like a complete tool.

*waits for an infraction*

whooligans · April 2014

ZIKE wrote: »

whooligans wrote: »

FezzikVizzini wrote: »

whooligans wrote: »

Blu3d0gd3m0cr8ts wrote: »

whooligans wrote: »

I quess you have never played GW2 on launch or Aion. Go queue for some random bgs in WoW and see how invested they are with bots, esp on eu servers.

FWIW, i made a new alt last night and i hardly saw any goldspam nor node teleport hackers like I used to see.

They are doing something about bots, it's just not snapping with your fingers and they're all gone. It takes time.

I have in fact played those game, and I do in fact play them now and i can tell you there are not as many farmers in those games as there are here period.

Ofcourse not. http://www.guildwars2guru.com/topic/73466-guild-wars-2-has-a-serious-bot-problem-are-they-even-doing-anything-about-it/page__st__30

http://games.slashdot.org/story/09/10/06/0540254/gold-spam-becoming-a-sore-topic-for-aion-players

http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/3010643631

http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=201124

I gave up clicking on the links you give when the 1st two that I looked at were dated 2009 and 2012.

Yep. posting links to threads that are years old certainly prooves that any problems in those games still exist.

Dumb, just dumb.

We were talking about game launches. And if you think those games are now free of bots then lol. WoW still has a bot problem, in random bgs the problem has never been worse in all the years I have played the game.

People were posting stuff that what is happening in EsO never happened in other launches, hence the links.

Here's what happens in the real world, devs are coming up with solutions eventually to reduce the amount of bots, it takes time.

And before talking about dumb, it's proves btw.

Your exaggerating the actual comments posted by the community to attempt to justify your point. Yes, just about every other new MMO at lunch has had this same type of activity, but never at the scale ESO has. This point is very accurate. Basically, your half right.

I just posted the links, one of many, from those game launches. Aion and GW2 were just as bad. I should know, because i really was there.

Blu3d0gd3m0cr8ts · April 2014

cubansyrusb16_ESO wrote: »

Blu3d0gd3m0cr8ts wrote: »

Eris wrote: »

Blu3d0gd3m0cr8ts wrote: »

I personally am tired of seeing all of the gold farmers and exploiters in this game. I personally spend atleast half of my available game time putting in tickets to help correct the situation and it only seems to get worse. You can post on forums here but all you get in people saying, "Oh its an MMO , you'll always have hackers" etc etc. Yes youre right it is an MMO, but they fact is there are NO mmo's out there that have the amount of hackers , exploiters and gold spammers as this game does. Not even World of Warcraft ! Do something about it ESO or this game isn't going to have a serious community for long.

Really, it's okay dude. I'm as tired of seeing new threads about gold farmers and exploiters. You are really as much a spammer as the gold farmers by doing this.

You really aren't saying anything that hasn't already been said, there is no need for another forum thread on tis topic. You would have been better adding your voice to the hundreds of others in the threads that have been here since launch.

Wrong sir, I'm not a spammer and you do the worlds gaming community an injustice by even suggesting that. This is about the poor quality of recent game content released by game developers. I am a gamer with a voice and that voice , spoken loudly enough, will be heard by millions of my brother and sisters who feel the same way. and we will not be silenced by your complacent logic. FUS RO DAH !!!

I have a dream .......

OK this really has to be said after reading all his posts soooo .....

Man shut up you sound like a complete tool.

*waits for an infraction*

That's right, verbally abuse the guy that is trying to stand up for the quality of life within the games we all invest massive amounts of time and energy into. I don't mind, because in the end I'm fighting to help you as well.

Emily · April 2014

The bots are out of hand. I think the people saying to get over them don't understand.
I've been competing with this all day:

There are approximately 13 of them stacked into each other (not just the 5 or so seen here, they are actually inside of each other and hiding numbers or not being rendered), all running around and doing the quests killing every mob. I have seen several groups of them, not just this one, and there are also node hackers teleport stealing nodes. It's hard for me to play when all my materials are stolen seconds before I get there; and hard to play when there are roving groups like this killing every mob around you like they were dungeon bosses.

Blu3d0gd3m0cr8ts · April 2014

Koltiros1005b14a_ESO wrote: »

Why Insult and verbally abuse the very people who are trying to fight for your quality of life in the game ?

ZIKE · April 2014

whooligans wrote: »

ZIKE wrote: »

whooligans wrote: »

FezzikVizzini wrote: »

whooligans wrote: »

Blu3d0gd3m0cr8ts wrote: »

whooligans wrote: »

I quess you have never played GW2 on launch or Aion. Go queue for some random bgs in WoW and see how invested they are with bots, esp on eu servers.

FWIW, i made a new alt last night and i hardly saw any goldspam nor node teleport hackers like I used to see.

They are doing something about bots, it's just not snapping with your fingers and they're all gone. It takes time.

I have in fact played those game, and I do in fact play them now and i can tell you there are not as many farmers in those games as there are here period.

Ofcourse not. http://www.guildwars2guru.com/topic/73466-guild-wars-2-has-a-serious-bot-problem-are-they-even-doing-anything-about-it/page__st__30

http://games.slashdot.org/story/09/10/06/0540254/gold-spam-becoming-a-sore-topic-for-aion-players

http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/3010643631

http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=201124

I gave up clicking on the links you give when the 1st two that I looked at were dated 2009 and 2012.

Yep. posting links to threads that are years old certainly prooves that any problems in those games still exist.

Dumb, just dumb.

We were talking about game launches. And if you think those games are now free of bots then lol. WoW still has a bot problem, in random bgs the problem has never been worse in all the years I have played the game.

People were posting stuff that what is happening in EsO never happened in other launches, hence the links.

Here's what happens in the real world, devs are coming up with solutions eventually to reduce the amount of bots, it takes time.

And before talking about dumb, it's proves btw.

Your exaggerating the actual comments posted by the community to attempt to justify your point. Yes, just about every other new MMO at lunch has had this same type of activity, but never at the scale ESO has. This point is very accurate. Basically, your half right.

Are you seriously that ignorant? I just posted the links, one of many, from those game launches. Aion and GW2 were just as bad. I should know, because i really was there.

No need to get emotional, I do not totally disagree on your point, but I do not feel it is 100% accurate ether. With out real actual number, its just one mans opinion against another. However, some opinion are more right then others.

Just note that we are on the same team here. Lets focus the battle towards the real enemy here, the Gold Sellers.

Malidon · April 2014

lol nothing like beating a dead horse.

cubansyrusb16_ESO · April 2014

Blu3d0gd3m0cr8ts wrote: »

cubansyrusb16_ESO wrote: »

Blu3d0gd3m0cr8ts wrote: »

Eris wrote: »

Blu3d0gd3m0cr8ts wrote: »

I personally am tired of seeing all of the gold farmers and exploiters in this game. I personally spend atleast half of my available game time putting in tickets to help correct the situation and it only seems to get worse. You can post on forums here but all you get in people saying, "Oh its an MMO , you'll always have hackers" etc etc. Yes youre right it is an MMO, but they fact is there are NO mmo's out there that have the amount of hackers , exploiters and gold spammers as this game does. Not even World of Warcraft ! Do something about it ESO or this game isn't going to have a serious community for long.

Really, it's okay dude. I'm as tired of seeing new threads about gold farmers and exploiters. You are really as much a spammer as the gold farmers by doing this.

You really aren't saying anything that hasn't already been said, there is no need for another forum thread on tis topic. You would have been better adding your voice to the hundreds of others in the threads that have been here since launch.

Wrong sir, I'm not a spammer and you do the worlds gaming community an injustice by even suggesting that. This is about the poor quality of recent game content released by game developers. I am a gamer with a voice and that voice , spoken loudly enough, will be heard by millions of my brother and sisters who feel the same way. and we will not be silenced by your complacent logic. FUS RO DAH !!!

I have a dream .......

OK this really has to be said after reading all his posts soooo .....

Man shut up you sound like a complete tool.

*waits for an infraction*

That's right, verbally abuse the guy that is trying to stand up for the quality of life within the games we all invest massive amounts of time and energy into.

There is speaking your mind ..... Then there is acting like some kind of home ground hero stepping out to save us all from a near apocalyptic situation ....

Your thread is no different to the other 9 i have read, its got no further than the other 9 i have read, it doesn't even offer any kind of decent information other than you preaching.

You just look stupid, honestly read some of the stuff you say and think if that was someone else how much would you be laughing.

"I am a gamer with a voice and that voice , spoken loudly enough, will be heard by millions of my brother and sisters who feel the same way. and we will not be silenced by your complacent logic. FUS RO DAH !!!"

^^ Seriously wtf was you thinking when you typed this ? ^^
Did you sit back, bang your fist on the desk and shout "oh yeah ... legendary"

Blu3d0gd3m0cr8ts · April 2014

Malidon wrote: »

lol nothing like beating a dead horse.

If the problem still exists and the peoples voices are still being ignored, its not a dead horse.

Dunhilda · April 2014

Auric_ESO wrote: »

Every game in the last few years has started this way. Then the devs get it under control and it's a small problem after that. Never gone but a small problem after that. And yes. Wow had this problem once upon a time too. Wow has had years to put thier systems in place to combat this. Eso has had.....weeks?

So Wow had years and ZoS didn't learn from their example? ZoS failed to do research on the matter and the best ways to combat it, but it's ok it's only a couple of weeks old, what type of feeble reasoning is that? I can tell you right now that every MMO will have Gold Sellers and Bots, ZoS should had foreseen this and designed a number of systems for combating Gold sellers and bots before releasing ESO.

Here something else to think on, many MMO had this issues tell me how many previous MMO that had this issue is still successful or even remembered? Only one, WoW.

And to be fair I kinda expect PS4 and Xbone version of the game to have far less Gold sellers and bots, hell we may have a fair number of gold sellers but bots?

Blu3d0gd3m0cr8ts · April 2014

cubansyrusb16_ESO wrote: »

Blu3d0gd3m0cr8ts wrote: »

cubansyrusb16_ESO wrote: »

Blu3d0gd3m0cr8ts wrote: »

Eris wrote: »

Blu3d0gd3m0cr8ts wrote: »

I personally am tired of seeing all of the gold farmers and exploiters in this game. I personally spend atleast half of my available game time putting in tickets to help correct the situation and it only seems to get worse. You can post on forums here but all you get in people saying, "Oh its an MMO , you'll always have hackers" etc etc. Yes youre right it is an MMO, but they fact is there are NO mmo's out there that have the amount of hackers , exploiters and gold spammers as this game does. Not even World of Warcraft ! Do something about it ESO or this game isn't going to have a serious community for long.

Really, it's okay dude. I'm as tired of seeing new threads about gold farmers and exploiters. You are really as much a spammer as the gold farmers by doing this.

You really aren't saying anything that hasn't already been said, there is no need for another forum thread on tis topic. You would have been better adding your voice to the hundreds of others in the threads that have been here since launch.

Wrong sir, I'm not a spammer and you do the worlds gaming community an injustice by even suggesting that. This is about the poor quality of recent game content released by game developers. I am a gamer with a voice and that voice , spoken loudly enough, will be heard by millions of my brother and sisters who feel the same way. and we will not be silenced by your complacent logic. FUS RO DAH !!!

I have a dream .......

OK this really has to be said after reading all his posts soooo .....

Man shut up you sound like a complete tool.

*waits for an infraction*

That's right, verbally abuse the guy that is trying to stand up for the quality of life within the games we all invest massive amounts of time and energy into.

There is speaking your mind ..... Then there is acting like some kind of home ground hero stepping out to save us all from a near apocalyptic situation ....

Your thread is no different to the other 9 i have read, its got no further than the other 9 i have read, it doesn't even offer any kind of decent information other than you preaching.

You just look stupid, honestly read some of the stuff you say and think if that was someone else how much would you be laughing.

"I am a gamer with a voice and that voice , spoken loudly enough, will be heard by millions of my brother and sisters who feel the same way. and we will not be silenced by your complacent logic. FUS RO DAH !!!"

^^ Seriously wtf was you thinking when you typed this ? ^^

Just because you can't understand what is being said, doesn't make it "stupid " and/or false. Verbally abusing others who only want things to improve for all players only adds to the cancer that we are fighting against. Be a part of the solution and not the problem brother.

whooligans · April 2014

ZIKE wrote: »

whooligans wrote: »

ZIKE wrote: »

whooligans wrote: »

FezzikVizzini wrote: »

whooligans wrote: »

Blu3d0gd3m0cr8ts wrote: »

whooligans wrote: »

I quess you have never played GW2 on launch or Aion. Go queue for some random bgs in WoW and see how invested they are with bots, esp on eu servers.

FWIW, i made a new alt last night and i hardly saw any goldspam nor node teleport hackers like I used to see.

They are doing something about bots, it's just not snapping with your fingers and they're all gone. It takes time.

I have in fact played those game, and I do in fact play them now and i can tell you there are not as many farmers in those games as there are here period.

Ofcourse not. http://www.guildwars2guru.com/topic/73466-guild-wars-2-has-a-serious-bot-problem-are-they-even-doing-anything-about-it/page__st__30

http://games.slashdot.org/story/09/10/06/0540254/gold-spam-becoming-a-sore-topic-for-aion-players

http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/3010643631

http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=201124

I gave up clicking on the links you give when the 1st two that I looked at were dated 2009 and 2012.

Yep. posting links to threads that are years old certainly prooves that any problems in those games still exist.

Dumb, just dumb.

We were talking about game launches. And if you think those games are now free of bots then lol. WoW still has a bot problem, in random bgs the problem has never been worse in all the years I have played the game.

People were posting stuff that what is happening in EsO never happened in other launches, hence the links.

Here's what happens in the real world, devs are coming up with solutions eventually to reduce the amount of bots, it takes time.

And before talking about dumb, it's proves btw.

Your exaggerating the actual comments posted by the community to attempt to justify your point. Yes, just about every other new MMO at lunch has had this same type of activity, but never at the scale ESO has. This point is very accurate. Basically, your half right.

Are you seriously that ignorant? I just posted the links, one of many, from those game launches. Aion and GW2 were just as bad. I should know, because i really was there.

No need to get emotional, I do not totally disagree on your point, but I do not feel it is 100% accurate ether. With out real actual number, its just one mans opinion against another. However, some opinion are more right then others.

Just note that we are on the same team here. Lets focus the battle towards the real enemy here, the Gold Sellers.

Don't forget the buyers

They should get permabanned too.

And to be clear, i understand people's frustration. I was also very annoyed to see hackers steal stuff right in front of me, or bots farming dungeon bosses. It IS very frustrating.

It just takes time.