Argonians actually need to be buffed totally. Stop nerfing them.

So, despite feedback & testing on PTS, it went to live server bugged...

I mean, this year-long story will be for the most part Argonian - themed right ? And not only they nerfed them (when literally everyone, even non-Argonian mains were saying that they need a buff), but also they left it bugged like that ? Kinda sad. Wonder if it ever gets adressed or we will have to wait another 2 years for another nerf...

On a positive note, we can save 2 skill points

Not trying to be a ***, but have you definitely put points into the passive.

As it works for Nord's frost resistance and I imagine it's basically a cut and paste to/ from argonian.

Tell my Saxhleel medic he aint a healer.

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Just to follow up, as far as we can tell this is working while in-combat, but the values are bugged in the Advanced Stats UI. We're working on getting this part fixed.

the Fighting Finesse star (+10% crit dmg) is also not shown in the stats sheet with the star either slotted or not. I have 50% spell crit dmg with the star or without it. And the bonuses category shows +0% either with it slotted or not.

Argonians are still nerfed "power-budget"-wise since the increase in % Healing Done mods from +2% to +4%.

The Argonian racial passive was never buffed to keep pace with that change and is now only 1.5x of a single-line % Healing Done bonus rather than 3x that it was intended as.

Argonians should have a +12% to Healing Done as per "power budget" rules.

Ratzkifal wrote: »

YandereGirlfriend wrote: »

Argonians are still nerfed "power-budget"-wise since the increase in % Healing Done mods from +2% to +4%.

The Argonian racial passive was never buffed to keep pace with that change and is now only 1.5x of a single-line % Healing Done bonus rather than 3x that it was intended as.

Argonians should have a +12% to Healing Done as per "power budget" rules.

@YandereGirlfriend The relative value of 4% healing done has changed again this update. It is now more valuable than it was before due to the 1000 base spell damage everyone receives, which makes the break-even point of 4% healing done and 129 spell damage more realistically achievable.
You need 2500 spell damage for 4% healing done to do more than 129 spell damage for your healing done. Calculated onto the racial set bonus budget that is 6% healing done vs 258 spell damage, which gives us 3333 spell damage as the breakeven point.
With only a golden weapon, 1000 base spell damage, major sorcery and major courage you can reach this break-even point already. If minor sorcery, minor courage and additional spell damage boni from jewelry, CP, mundus stones etc are present then the Argonian healing done bonus becomes quickly more valuable than the Altmer bonus when talking about healing.

So, essentially, the old power budget standards are outdated and everything needs to be reevaluated now before we can determine what the actual power budgets of the races are and if Argonians are mathematically within the budget or not.

Right, but that only tells part of the story.

Consider for the Altmer that 258 Weapon/Spell Damage is far more universally useful than 6% Healing Done since you can fulfill two of the three ESO roles with it - damage and healing. It's the same reason why Max Stat bonuses are less directly useful for dealing damage than Weapon/Spell Damage because Max Stats have the dual purpose of also assisting with sustain.

So while an Argonian might be able to overtake the Altmer in healing... that should be a forgone conclusion since their bonus only applies to healing - theirs is single purpose and thus ought to be much stronger. It was only a cruel irony under the previous patches where Altmer would make stronger healers than Argonians despite Argonians having the only dedicated % Healing Done buff. That spoke to gross imbalance rather than the way things ought to be.

There is also the consideration of your introducing outside balancing elements into the discussion. All of the other racial bonuses, at least in the eyes of those doing the balancing, stand alone and apart from group buffs and other global stats. All of the sustain races, for example, were relatively under-powered during the high-sustain era that we just exited, yet those outside considerations seemed to be irrelevant to the intrinsic value of their racial bonuses. ZOS seemingly accounts for the fact that some players venture only as soloist and would thus not be able to stack both Major and Minor sustain buffs (let alone account for Worms or Hollowfang, etc.). For those solo players, having 258 additional sustain is valuable in a way that it is not for an optimized member of a trials team. Ditto for the fact that 258 Weapon Damage scales better than 258 Spell Damage yet Spell Damage is not adjusted upward in racial bonuses to account for this fact.

TLDR; I do agree that the relative one-piece bonuses need to reevaluated though and that could well inform how the Argonian bonus is tuned. But I think it is unfair to Argonians to hold only their bonus to a standard (e.g. accounting for outside balance considerations) that none of the other bonuses are held to. That seems guaranteed to ensure that Argonians are left behind again.