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Do you support the planned Racial Passive changes without Free change tokens?
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Sylvermynx✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I would have appreciated a "neutral" option; I won't change any character's race as my people are all "themselves" and always will be, but I feel as if ZOS needs to step up on this one by providing a couple of race change tokens at least.4 -
Araneae6537✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No. The changes justify some form of Race change relief.Sylvermynx wrote: »I would have appreciated a "neutral" option; I won't change any character's race as my people are all "themselves" and always will be, but I feel as if ZOS needs to step up on this one by providing a couple of race change tokens at least.
That’s how I feel as well. I think that only one of my characters will be negatively impacted, but I wouldn’t change him anyway — at worst he will just go back to crafting full time.
My vote was on principle because I don’t feel the change is fair to those to whom min-maxing is important. Different people play the game for different reasons and different things are important to us. People shouldn’t have to pay real money to fix changes they didn’t ask for.3 -
erio✭✭✭✭✭No. The changes justify some form of Race change relief.Yes, I still have my race changes from last time ZOS gave those out for free. And my guess is many players do, except for some of the more elite players. Which is my guess on why ZOS does not give those out for free anymore.
Besides, my characters look awesome!
No, many do not.2 -
Wolfpaw✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭No. The changes justify some form of Race change relief.Debating this topic with players opposed is not worth your time.
Have a problem with this? Speak with your wallet & cancel preorder/sub.
Simple.Edited by Wolfpaw on March 5, 2021 11:22PM2 -
bmnoble✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭No. The changes justify some form of Race change relief.The last time they made changes to racial passives they handed out 3 free race change tokens, don't see why they would not do that again.0 -
erio✭✭✭✭✭No. The changes justify some form of Race change relief.
How do you know?
How do you know "many players do" ?0 -
renne✭✭✭✭✭
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How do you know?
How do you know "many players do" ?
I don't and never said that I did.
You stated "many do not". How do you know?Edited by renne on March 6, 2021 1:50AM0 -
starkerealm✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Yes. The changes are fine without anyform of race change relief.
How do you know?
How do you know "many players do" ?
I don't and never said that I did.
You stated "many do not". How do you know?
Many do not is, kinda, an argumentative groundball in this case. Judging by achievement completion rates on consoles, most players are extremely casual...
Or, wait, was this, "many do not look awesome?" Because... yeah, a simple krill sample of zone kinda supports that theory.2 -
renne✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭starkerealm wrote: »
How do you know?
How do you know "many players do" ?
I don't and never said that I did.
You stated "many do not". How do you know?
Many do not is, kinda, an argumentative groundball in this case. Judging by achievement completion rates on consoles, most players are extremely casual...
Or, wait, was this, "many do not look awesome?" Because... yeah, a simple krill sample of zone kinda supports that theory.
Hey, they might think their toon looks awesome! It's extremely subjective, you just have to look at the replies to any "how do you make [race] look attractive"/"post sliders of attractive [race]" for the disagreements. 0 -
Iluvrien✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭As long as people continue to pay for race change tokens, then I suspect we will continue to see changes to racials.
As long as the revenue gained from those who pay (new or old) is greater than the revenue lost (from old players leaving), then I suspect we will continue to see changes to racials.
I don't support changes to racials, at all.
But I also don't support changing race.1 -
L_Nici✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes. The changes are fine without anyform of race change relief.Its almost only buffs to anyone but Nords. So why giving change tokens for free if the race you play got even stronger? Its not like Wrathstone where everything got completely reworked.Edited by L_Nici on March 6, 2021 2:22PMPC|EU1 -
MacCait✭✭✭✭✭
✭No. The changes justify some form of Race change relief.No. Because of these changes I do want to race change 2 characters and I am unhappy that will cost me 6000 crowns. That seems unfair. It's not great when your build is nerfed and you have to change the whole thing, but its a part of the game. But changing racial passives is not something as easily fixed with new gear. The last time this happened we were kindly given 3 free racial change tokens to account for that. That seemed fair considering racial change costs real money in crowns as at 3000 per charactern is a lot.2 -
Redguards_Revenge✭✭✭✭As a redguard,
I heard promises of changes from those in power, but at the end nothing changes for me. No matter how hard I try, I still get the short end of the stick. It could be that a minority of players play redguard. It could be that a majority of their playerbase play another race. All I know is that if the perception doesn't change, nothing will change.
I'll try this new passive and see if it makes any difference. I doubt throwing in 100 stam and changing it to any damage fronm direct damage will make a difference for a stamina user who mostly does direct damage.2 -
redlink1979✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Other.
ZOS can change race passives to "balance the game" as many times as they please, but even if they ruin my chars, I won't buy a single race token from the Crown Store."Sweet Mother, sweet Mother, send your child unto me, for the sins of the unworthy must be baptized in blood and fear"- Sons of the Night Mother | VforVendetta | Grownups Gaming EU | English Elders [PS][EU] 2500 CP
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Random_Zombie✭✭✭No. The changes justify some form of Race change relief.I'd love to see what would happen if they suddenly made Khajiit a race of dog people instead of cat people. Or made Altmer green, or Bretons 3 ft tall. That would all be insignificant gameplay wise. "It's just a bunch of RP elitists complaining about nothing" people would say... Who cares that you thought the character you put time and effort into creating and playing with would always look the way you created them to look. I could easily make the point that a 1% drop in dps for an orc affects gameplay way more than all Dunmer being patched to have bright gold skin.
It's ridiculous. I made my character an Orc for a very specific reason. I liked the 2k stamina and the weapon damage. That was my decision and I made it in good faith with the company. If racials are supposed to be insignificant, if they're soo trivial that we shouldn't complain about "small" changes, then why were they significant enough to warrant a "balance" update in the first place? I understand if they want to make races more balanced. I get it. I get it because I see that the racial stats can be as or more valuable than a piece of armor in some cases, and yet I can change my armor set in game. So why can't they compensate by giving out some race change tokens? I mean, the only people that will change are the ones who are getting screwed right? The people who don't care about stats will be as happy with their choice as they were before. The reason they won't do this is because they're trying to create a problem so that they can sell a solution back to us.
In the end its just another scummy cash grab. I wish some of you would take a second to just empathize with others. Just recognize that some people thought when they made a decision on their race, they were doing so in good faith that their decision would be respected by ZOS. It's sad honestly.5 -
starkerealm✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Yes. The changes are fine without anyform of race change relief.Random_Zombie wrote: »I'd love to see what would happen if they suddenly made Khajiit a race of dog people instead of cat people. Or made Altmer green, or Bretons 3 ft tall. That would all be insignificant gameplay wise...
That last one would be a major gameplay change. The water depth where you start swimming is affected by character height (the taller your character, the the deeper you can wade into the shallows.) In PvP, smaller characters have a practical advantage as they have a smaller hitbox, making them harder to target.0 -
Random_Zombie✭✭✭No. The changes justify some form of Race change relief.starkerealm wrote: »Random_Zombie wrote: »I'd love to see what would happen if they suddenly made Khajiit a race of dog people instead of cat people. Or made Altmer green, or Bretons 3 ft tall. That would all be insignificant gameplay wise...
That last one would be a major gameplay change. The water depth where you start swimming is affected by character height (the taller your character, the the deeper you can wade into the shallows.) In PvP, smaller characters have a practical advantage as they have a smaller hitbox, making them harder to target.
I'm glad my argument was air tight enough that that was your only complaint about my analogy lol.1 -
starkerealm✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Yes. The changes are fine without anyform of race change relief.Random_Zombie wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »Random_Zombie wrote: »I'd love to see what would happen if they suddenly made Khajiit a race of dog people instead of cat people. Or made Altmer green, or Bretons 3 ft tall. That would all be insignificant gameplay wise...
That last one would be a major gameplay change. The water depth where you start swimming is affected by character height (the taller your character, the the deeper you can wade into the shallows.) In PvP, smaller characters have a practical advantage as they have a smaller hitbox, making them harder to target.
I'm glad my argument was air tight enough that that was your only complaint about my analogy lol.
Nah, that was just when I stopped reading.0 -
Yes. The changes are fine without anyform of race change relief.There are a few threads already on the upcoming racial passive changes with no free race change tokens being offered but no polls to gauge sentiment on the subject. Previously rebalancing of races was accompanied by 3 race change tokens per account, an action that the majority of the playerbase accepted as being fair last time. Given that we're not going to see them this time it means either A: the changes arn't deemed significant enough or B: the community is becoming more accepting of changes that force you to spend IRL money to counter.
Why would it mean B? To be fair, racial changes have been commented on, as have requests for tokens, BUT these changes are lumped in with so many OTHER massive changes, it's not hugely surprising that something has fallen by the wayside when there's the CP changes, the massive DPS nerf, the armour changes, etc... that people are more focussed on.
Given ZoS makes the choice to offer tokens or not, it just seems like it's only A. They just don't consider the changes significant enough to warrant it.
I have to agree. The meta for race to role will more than likely remain the same. Altmer for magicka dps, breton for heals, and orc for stam dps. Sure dunmer is looking great, but havent we always
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SeaArcanist✭✭✭Yes. The changes are fine without anyform of race change relief.You've had a few months time and warning about these changes. you could have created a newrace/class. or saved up ESO subscription crowns for 2 months and change your race that way. or use that 2 months time to amass gold, and buy crowns off sombody to change your race.
there was time to make a change. PvPers didn't get free pvp gear when all their sets stopped working in cyrodiil. why do you believe you should get somthing for free?2 -
DreamyLu✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes. The changes are fine without anyform of race change relief.I never change the race of my chars because I assign a personality to them (same in all RPGs I do). A change of race is for me a change of character, so I create new.I'm out of my mind, feel free to leave a message... PC/NA0 -
Sneakers✭✭✭No. The changes justify some form of Race change relief.I'm too burned out from the constant changes to give diddly squat about whether or not they give away race tokens.
Then they have you exactly where they want you.
Of course they need to give out minimum ONE (1) race re-spec token as to NOT pin their lack of balance in the past on the customer who might have paid 1 or multiple times to end up on a race that they are changing the passives on (some for the better some for the worse).
Still it makes 0 sense to pin it on the customer using it as extortion to squeeze some pocket change out of them.
If they don't cough up those re-specs, I at least will think real long and hard on any future purchases seeing as at any whim they change the rules and you will never be compensated and always put in an extortion situation.
Picture this.
You pay IRL money to race change to the blatantly OPed orc race that they are buffing to the skies.
6 weeks from now, new race passives. Orc nerfed since it was obviously OP and overperforming.
Please pay another round for race changes. Zero credibility, all scam, all the time.
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TheForFeeF✭✭✭No. The changes justify some form of Race change relief.SeaArcanist wrote: »You've had a few months time and warning about these changes. you could have created a newrace/class. or saved up ESO subscription crowns for 2 months and change your race that way. or use that 2 months time to amass gold, and buy crowns off sombody to change your race.
there was time to make a change. PvPers didn't get free pvp gear when all their sets stopped working in cyrodiil. why do you believe you should get somthing for free?
This argument is invalid - gear in the game is free.
We have only had just over a month's notice too.
Should I also just be giving up all the time and effort put into my main character? I'd love to see you forget about your main character.1 -
Mettaricana✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Yes. The changes are fine without anyform of race change relief.Someone will cry wolf over anything if it doesn't come with a freebie shoved in. Rather them just wipe out all stat based racial passives let class and gear determine rest instead of this dumb constant balance bs1 -
Grandma✭✭✭✭✭Yes. The changes are fine without anyform of race change relief.now i could be misremembering, but 0 of the racial changes are extreme or bad enough to justify not playing the race over another one for a current role. no race is dropping from #1 spots [tanks will still be nords and imps, magdps helfs and delfs and khajiit, stamdps orc and redguard and delf, and healers breton and helf]
in fact the only race change ive seen people get their panties twisted about is nords, which is a joke of a change, and for some reason people are mad and want race changes for helfs and orcs who now get spell damage and weapon damage... I still can't fathom why. your race gets more free stats. you probably will never use unless you switch specs. and this makes you mad and want free race changes why..?
i think what's really going on is a few racial changes are happening, therefor people who regret their decision before it was announced or just want free *** [snip]. just my two cents.
[Edited to remove Baiting]Edited by ZOS_ConnorG on March 7, 2021 2:29PMGH / 3/04/2021 / Elemental Catalyst Necromancer3 -
Arrodisia✭✭✭✭✭No. The changes justify some form of Race change relief.No, I will not be supporting these changes without free racial tokens for every existing cp character of every player. I sell a very large amount of crowns every single week, but no more. Here's the full story of why I find these changes to be an unethical business practice at this time.
Unfortunately, this isn't the first time we've been through this type of balance change. The racial passives were supposed to have been balanced the last time...and should've been completely free last time as well. We raised concerns about this happening again while the previous racial changes were still on the PTS.
Now the passives are not balanced again?
That shouldn't be possible. The supposed purpose of the last racial changes was to balance them. They even seemed to make more sense than some of these new and poorly reasoned changes.
Sorry but this seems like an underhanded way to make money only, which means this is becoming an unnecessarily expensive problem, the type of problem which drives masses of players away from a game, not into the game. The Guildies are complaining in all of my guilds.
I'm pretty sure. We all want a healthy and happy player base, who log on, keep our queue full and spend money on cosmetics and convenience items they want. We don't want empty servers and salty players, who feel ripped off and who feel like they're supporting Pay for Combat Passives 2 Win. The burden of balancing mistakes shouldn't fall onto the player base as real life costs at all. Players are already paying for subs, expansions, dlc's, homes and many other crown items... to support this game.
Most gamers detest the P2W feeling of a game offering combat passives for real money in a game store. Players that leave for such reasons rarely ever return, and are unlikely to ever play other games made under the same company umbrella.
Let's also not forget, players basically, picked their races in part because of the passives, and in many cases even paid to pick their current races and names because of the last racial balancing errors.
These are trying times for everyone. With so many other games out there, the developers and publishers should take this golden opportunity to raise the bar of what players receive in return for their support. ZOS should be thinking about the long term and secure their large market share by giving the players free race and name changes for "all" exsisting characters at cp levels.
1.) It would show they respect all players who bought their game, not just the players who went the extra mile to subscribe and purchase and sell items in ESO
2.) it would remove the "Pay for Combat Passives 2 Win" atmospehere, which is destroying other MMO's. So players can once again focus on buying homes, mounts, costumes,...
3.) It would show they actually care about the health of the population on every server across all platforms. It'd be a total win win for ZOS to give free race changes. It's good publicity and players would feel more comfortable with their purchases being spent on other items.
These changes are shaking the playerbase support. Players are rethinking their subs and future purchases.
Offering these changes for free will go a long way towards restoring ZOS's credibility.
There are other options in this thread and other threads, which are more sensible and ethical. I, wholeheartedly believe ZOS can offer their playerbase something much better if they choose to do the right thing. There are plenty of other ways to make money in mmo's.
Regardless, recently, I stopped the buying and selling of crowns to show my support against selling combat passives to players. I will not buy any more crowns, nor will I sell any remaining crowns throughout this entire DLC time frame. I can not in good conscience aid in the purchase of race changes for myself or anyone else, because I fully believe. This is an unethical business practice.
I'm not telling anyone what they should or shouldn't do here.
At the end of the day, right is right and wrong is wrong. These combat oriented racial passives shouldn't be for sale.Edited by Arrodisia on March 7, 2021 4:00PM3 -
PaddyVu✭✭✭✭No. The changes justify some form of Race change relief.I will be happy when ZOS reduce token price by 50% atleast and limit it to 1 or 2 token so people cant abuse thatEdited by PaddyVu on March 7, 2021 3:09PM1
