Werevamp: Playstyle suggestion
Ryuvain
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Now before you instantly vote no, just hear me out ok? It sounds powerful but would also come with enormous weaknesses as well. Here's what it would be like:
A werevamp is obviously a hybrid vampiric werewolf, but with blood scion added into it. Lore fanatics don't have a heart attack, it's already been proven that the two conditions could easily be combined if someone was so inclined to do so. Its implied that vampirism can be applied to anything if it was combined without daedric help. Sure Baal and Hircine could combine both if they wanted, but they have no interest in doing so.
The gameplay would be pretty similar on the surface but drastically different in depth. You get all vampire bonuses and weaknesses at all times as usual. But your blood scion form would be the main change.
Blood Scion:
This form would be slightly bigger than a normal scion but would exhibit traits of a werewolf due to mixed blood. Imagine a blood scion with a wolf head, tail, hands, and feet. With it also looking more bestial without armor.
The combat differences here are key. This monster would be absolutely terrifying with blood scion and werewolf traits together. Both passives apply when in this form, and you have werewolf abilities replacing your front bar while all vampire abilities replace your back bar.
Wolf Scion (as a nickname) would have all bonuses which would be enormous power and be able to extend the form by draining blood in combat or devouring corpses.
Broken, sounds like it right? But here's the down sides: You have ALL stage 4 vampire downsides, fire weakness, regen weakness, extra cost, etc. This is combined with werewolf weaknesses which also apply at all times outside of form: poison weakness, and take DOUBLE WEAKNESS DAMAGE FROM FIGHTERS GUILD. Any vampire/wolf hunter would blow you up out of form, but be on even ground when in wolf scion form.
Seriously, this would be amazing as a concept to me. I've played this way in modded skyrim and desperately miss it. Having to be so aware of your weaknesses but have amazing power when they aren't present.
What are your opinions? Please give it your thoughts. This could be amazingly cool if devs even thought about this.
Edited by Ryuvain on March 4, 2021 11:23AM A werevamp is obviously a hybrid vampiric werewolf, but with blood scion added into it. Lore fanatics don't have a heart attack, it's already been proven that the two conditions could easily be combined if someone was so inclined to do so. Its implied that vampirism can be applied to anything if it was combined without daedric help. Sure Baal and Hircine could combine both if they wanted, but they have no interest in doing so.
The gameplay would be pretty similar on the surface but drastically different in depth. You get all vampire bonuses and weaknesses at all times as usual. But your blood scion form would be the main change.
Blood Scion:
This form would be slightly bigger than a normal scion but would exhibit traits of a werewolf due to mixed blood. Imagine a blood scion with a wolf head, tail, hands, and feet. With it also looking more bestial without armor.
The combat differences here are key. This monster would be absolutely terrifying with blood scion and werewolf traits together. Both passives apply when in this form, and you have werewolf abilities replacing your front bar while all vampire abilities replace your back bar.
Wolf Scion (as a nickname) would have all bonuses which would be enormous power and be able to extend the form by draining blood in combat or devouring corpses.
Broken, sounds like it right? But here's the down sides: You have ALL stage 4 vampire downsides, fire weakness, regen weakness, extra cost, etc. This is combined with werewolf weaknesses which also apply at all times outside of form: poison weakness, and take DOUBLE WEAKNESS DAMAGE FROM FIGHTERS GUILD. Any vampire/wolf hunter would blow you up out of form, but be on even ground when in wolf scion form.
Seriously, this would be amazing as a concept to me. I've played this way in modded skyrim and desperately miss it. Having to be so aware of your weaknesses but have amazing power when they aren't present.
What are your opinions? Please give it your thoughts. This could be amazingly cool if devs even thought about this.
That one khajiit obsessed with werewolf behemoth and vampire lord. Lady Thorn is bae, dont @ me.
Werewolf behemoth=vampire lord>blood scion>werewolf>vampire.
Werewolf behemoth=vampire lord>blood scion>werewolf>vampire.
Werevamp: Playstyle suggestion 51 votes
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TX12001rwb17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭No, bad ideaNo
Your also ignoring the little detail that the Scion form is about Blood Purity, taint that with Werewolf Blood and you would find yourself unable to transform, this is why Thinblooded Vampires who are impure cannot transform into Vampire Lords.Edited by TX12001rwb17_ESO on March 4, 2021 11:32AM0 -
kaisernick✭✭✭✭✭No, bad idea"it's already been proven that the two conditions could easily be combined if someone was so inclined to do so." No it hasnt when of earth have we seen a combination of both in my elder scrolls game?5 -
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✭Yes please!TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »No
Your also ignoring the little detail that the Scion form is about Blood Purity, taint that with Werewolf Blood and you would find yourself unable to transform, this is why Thinblooded Vampires who are impure cannot transform into Vampire Lords.
Maybe blood scion was a bad comparison. I was thinking more along the lines of a blood knight. My bad. Knights are anything but pure.That one khajiit obsessed with werewolf behemoth and vampire lord. Lady Thorn is bae, dont @ me.
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TX12001rwb17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭No, bad ideakaisernick wrote: »"it's already been proven that the two conditions could easily be combined if someone was so inclined to do so." No it hasnt when of earth have we seen a combination of both in my elder scrolls game?
Exactly!
Both diseases would try to purge eachother from the body until only one remained, so you would either become a Vampire or a Werewolf, there is no middle-ground.1 -
Ryuvain✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes please!kaisernick wrote: »"it's already been proven that the two conditions could easily be combined if someone was so inclined to do so." No it hasnt when of earth have we seen a combination of both in my elder scrolls game?
It's been pretty implied that it's possible. With all the experiments they've done, like stone garden, vampire flowers, or that one story about altering vampire to save a patient. Gameplay wise we can be a werewolf behemoth while a vampire, and the devs on stream said that's fine. It's pretty easily changeable. Proven was the wrong word: meant implied.That one khajiit obsessed with werewolf behemoth and vampire lord. Lady Thorn is bae, dont @ me.
Werewolf behemoth=vampire lord>blood scion>werewolf>vampire.0 -
Ryuvain✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes please!TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »kaisernick wrote: »"it's already been proven that the two conditions could easily be combined if someone was so inclined to do so." No it hasnt when of earth have we seen a combination of both in my elder scrolls game?
Exactly!
Both diseases would try to purge eachother from the body until only one remained, so you would either become a Vampire or a Werewolf, there is no middle-ground.
It would have to be altered in experiments, but it's possible. Devs have changed much more lore regardless. If this was good enough, they would do so again.That one khajiit obsessed with werewolf behemoth and vampire lord. Lady Thorn is bae, dont @ me.
Werewolf behemoth=vampire lord>blood scion>werewolf>vampire.0 -
TX12001rwb17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭No, bad ideaTX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »kaisernick wrote: »"it's already been proven that the two conditions could easily be combined if someone was so inclined to do so." No it hasnt when of earth have we seen a combination of both in my elder scrolls game?
Exactly!
Both diseases would try to purge eachother from the body until only one remained, so you would either become a Vampire or a Werewolf, there is no middle-ground.
It would have to be altered in experiments, but it's possible. Devs have changed much more lore regardless. If this was good enough, they would do so again.
They still would not be pure enough to assume a higher Vampire form, they would only be a Vampire who could transform into a Werecreature and since lorewise the higher Vampires forms are far beyond the abilities of the Werewolf form this "Hybrid" would more likely then not be weaker then a pureblooded Vampire.
Seriously how does this
Compare to this?
For one thing the Blood Scion is twice the size of a Werewolf and the Vampire Lord is three times the size of one so it is proof enough that from sheer size alone the higher Vampire forms would be stronger then a Werewolf so a Vampire who could assume the form of the latter would be weaker then one who could access the former.Edited by TX12001rwb17_ESO on March 4, 2021 11:53AM0 -
Ryuvain✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes please!TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »kaisernick wrote: »"it's already been proven that the two conditions could easily be combined if someone was so inclined to do so." No it hasnt when of earth have we seen a combination of both in my elder scrolls game?
Exactly!
Both diseases would try to purge eachother from the body until only one remained, so you would either become a Vampire or a Werewolf, there is no middle-ground.
It would have to be altered in experiments, but it's possible. Devs have changed much more lore regardless. If this was good enough, they would do so again.
They still would not be pure enough to assume a higher Vampire form, they would only be a Vampire who could transform into a Werecreature and since lorewise the higher Vampires forms are far beyond the abilities of the Werewolf form this "Hybrid" would more likely then not be weaker then a pureblooded Vampire.
Normally yes, that's true. But I'm talking about specifically altered for power. It technically would be just a shift in power, as it would gain werewolf ability but lose purity. Remember that blood knights are nowhere near as pure or strong as vampire lords.
Kind of missing the main point though. I'd love to talk about werewolf or vampire lore as my favorites, but that can be another thread.
Was your dislike mainly because of lore? I admit I hated knowing that just anyone could use a werewolf potion and gain all abilities too. But what's the difference? Say a vampire lord drinks that, that's already pretty close then right? Was your reason something besides lore?That one khajiit obsessed with werewolf behemoth and vampire lord. Lady Thorn is bae, dont @ me.
Werewolf behemoth=vampire lord>blood scion>werewolf>vampire.0 -
TX12001rwb17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭No, bad ideaTX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »kaisernick wrote: »"it's already been proven that the two conditions could easily be combined if someone was so inclined to do so." No it hasnt when of earth have we seen a combination of both in my elder scrolls game?
Exactly!
Both diseases would try to purge eachother from the body until only one remained, so you would either become a Vampire or a Werewolf, there is no middle-ground.
It would have to be altered in experiments, but it's possible. Devs have changed much more lore regardless. If this was good enough, they would do so again.
They still would not be pure enough to assume a higher Vampire form, they would only be a Vampire who could transform into a Werecreature and since lorewise the higher Vampires forms are far beyond the abilities of the Werewolf form this "Hybrid" would more likely then not be weaker then a pureblooded Vampire.
Normally yes, that's true. But I'm talking about specifically altered for power. It technically would be just a shift in power, as it would gain werewolf ability but lose purity. Remember that blood knights are nowhere near as pure or strong as vampire lords.
Kind of missing the main point though. I'd love to talk about werewolf or vampire lore as my favorites, but that can be another thread.
Was your dislike mainly because of lore? I admit I hated knowing that just anyone could use a werewolf potion and gain all abilities too. But what's the difference? Say a vampire lord drinks that, that's already pretty close then right? Was your reason something besides lore?
You do realize the Alchemical Werewolf Behemoth isn't a Lycanthrope, the person who consumes the potion does not become infected with Lycanthropy, they simply take a monstrous wolf-like form for a limited time, it is no different then a simple Shape-Shifting spell like the LDB in Skyrim being turned into a Dog and a Horse during the College of Winterhold Side-quests.Edited by TX12001rwb17_ESO on March 4, 2021 12:00PM3 -
Ryuvain✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes please!TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »kaisernick wrote: »"it's already been proven that the two conditions could easily be combined if someone was so inclined to do so." No it hasnt when of earth have we seen a combination of both in my elder scrolls game?
Exactly!
Both diseases would try to purge eachother from the body until only one remained, so you would either become a Vampire or a Werewolf, there is no middle-ground.
It would have to be altered in experiments, but it's possible. Devs have changed much more lore regardless. If this was good enough, they would do so again.
They still would not be pure enough to assume a higher Vampire form, they would only be a Vampire who could transform into a Werecreature and since lorewise the higher Vampires forms are far beyond the abilities of the Werewolf form this "Hybrid" would more likely then not be weaker then a pureblooded Vampire.
Normally yes, that's true. But I'm talking about specifically altered for power. It technically would be just a shift in power, as it would gain werewolf ability but lose purity. Remember that blood knights are nowhere near as pure or strong as vampire lords.
Kind of missing the main point though. I'd love to talk about werewolf or vampire lore as my favorites, but that can be another thread.
Was your dislike mainly because of lore? I admit I hated knowing that just anyone could use a werewolf potion and gain all abilities too. But what's the difference? Say a vampire lord drinks that, that's already pretty close then right? Was your reason something besides lore?
You do realize the Alchemical Werewolf Behemoth isn't a Lycanthrope, the person who consumes the potion does not become infected with Lycanthropy, they simply take a monstrous wolf-like form for a limited time, it is no different then a simple Shape-Shifting spell like the LDB in Skyrim being turned into a Dog and a Horse during the College of Winterhold Side-quests.
You do know it's still made from lycanthropy right? Like literally made from their blood. It's in your body for a while causing the transformation. Either way, it's still considered a hybrid of sorts displaying both qualities.That one khajiit obsessed with werewolf behemoth and vampire lord. Lady Thorn is bae, dont @ me.
Werewolf behemoth=vampire lord>blood scion>werewolf>vampire.0 -
TX12001rwb17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭No, bad ideaTX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »kaisernick wrote: »"it's already been proven that the two conditions could easily be combined if someone was so inclined to do so." No it hasnt when of earth have we seen a combination of both in my elder scrolls game?
Exactly!
Both diseases would try to purge eachother from the body until only one remained, so you would either become a Vampire or a Werewolf, there is no middle-ground.
It would have to be altered in experiments, but it's possible. Devs have changed much more lore regardless. If this was good enough, they would do so again.
They still would not be pure enough to assume a higher Vampire form, they would only be a Vampire who could transform into a Werecreature and since lorewise the higher Vampires forms are far beyond the abilities of the Werewolf form this "Hybrid" would more likely then not be weaker then a pureblooded Vampire.
Normally yes, that's true. But I'm talking about specifically altered for power. It technically would be just a shift in power, as it would gain werewolf ability but lose purity. Remember that blood knights are nowhere near as pure or strong as vampire lords.
Kind of missing the main point though. I'd love to talk about werewolf or vampire lore as my favorites, but that can be another thread.
Was your dislike mainly because of lore? I admit I hated knowing that just anyone could use a werewolf potion and gain all abilities too. But what's the difference? Say a vampire lord drinks that, that's already pretty close then right? Was your reason something besides lore?
You do realize the Alchemical Werewolf Behemoth isn't a Lycanthrope, the person who consumes the potion does not become infected with Lycanthropy, they simply take a monstrous wolf-like form for a limited time, it is no different then a simple Shape-Shifting spell like the LDB in Skyrim being turned into a Dog and a Horse during the College of Winterhold Side-quests.
You do know it's still made from lycanthropy right? Like literally made from their blood. It's in your body for a while causing the transformation. Either way, it's still considered a hybrid of sorts displaying both qualities.
You do know Vampires can feed on Werewolves and they do not suddenly become Lycanthropes despite ingesting their blood (Which is mentioned in a lorebook) the potion is not simply made from Werewolf Blood, I do not see how whether or not a Vampire is effected by a magical shapeshifting potion is relevant though, what your suggesting on the otherhand is infecting a Vampire with Lycanthropy or a Lycanthrope with Vampirism which simply isn't possible.1 -
Ryuvain✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes please!TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »kaisernick wrote: »"it's already been proven that the two conditions could easily be combined if someone was so inclined to do so." No it hasnt when of earth have we seen a combination of both in my elder scrolls game?
Exactly!
Both diseases would try to purge eachother from the body until only one remained, so you would either become a Vampire or a Werewolf, there is no middle-ground.
It would have to be altered in experiments, but it's possible. Devs have changed much more lore regardless. If this was good enough, they would do so again.
They still would not be pure enough to assume a higher Vampire form, they would only be a Vampire who could transform into a Werecreature and since lorewise the higher Vampires forms are far beyond the abilities of the Werewolf form this "Hybrid" would more likely then not be weaker then a pureblooded Vampire.
Normally yes, that's true. But I'm talking about specifically altered for power. It technically would be just a shift in power, as it would gain werewolf ability but lose purity. Remember that blood knights are nowhere near as pure or strong as vampire lords.
Kind of missing the main point though. I'd love to talk about werewolf or vampire lore as my favorites, but that can be another thread.
Was your dislike mainly because of lore? I admit I hated knowing that just anyone could use a werewolf potion and gain all abilities too. But what's the difference? Say a vampire lord drinks that, that's already pretty close then right? Was your reason something besides lore?
You do realize the Alchemical Werewolf Behemoth isn't a Lycanthrope, the person who consumes the potion does not become infected with Lycanthropy, they simply take a monstrous wolf-like form for a limited time, it is no different then a simple Shape-Shifting spell like the LDB in Skyrim being turned into a Dog and a Horse during the College of Winterhold Side-quests.
You do know it's still made from lycanthropy right? Like literally made from their blood. It's in your body for a while causing the transformation. Either way, it's still considered a hybrid of sorts displaying both qualities.
You do know Vampires can feed on Werewolves and they do not suddenly become Lycanthropes despite ingesting their blood (Which is mentioned in a lorebook) the potion is not simply made from Werewolf Blood, I do not see how whether or not a Vampire is effected by a magical shapeshifting potion is relevant though, what your suggesting on the otherhand is infecting a Vampire with Lycanthropy or a Lycanthrope with Vampirism which simply isn't possible.
I said it would have to be altered. Again. I didn't say it's simply werewolf blood, but that it's made from it. It was altered in some way to give all the benefits with no drawbacks.
That said, vampirism is also changed a lot the same way. Who's to say that they can't make a vampire potion in the same vein? Multiple people alter vampirism when they try.
If one or the other was altered in the same way then it's possible. The BASE diseases delete each other, but they both can be changed. That altering part was proven.That one khajiit obsessed with werewolf behemoth and vampire lord. Lady Thorn is bae, dont @ me.
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NotaDaedraWorshipper✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No, bad ideaTX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »kaisernick wrote: »"it's already been proven that the two conditions could easily be combined if someone was so inclined to do so." No it hasnt when of earth have we seen a combination of both in my elder scrolls game?
Exactly!
Both diseases would try to purge eachother from the body until only one remained, so you would either become a Vampire or a Werewolf, there is no middle-ground.
It would have to be altered in experiments, but it's possible. Devs have changed much more lore regardless. If this was good enough, they would do so again.
Ah, yes, because of some changes here and there that all TES games does, we shall completely throw the lore out the window of how vampirism and lycantrophy has worked throughout the game series because a few would find a hybrid cool. This ain't Underworld. Do you want Hircine and Molag Bal to have a tug of war with your soul?[Lie] Of course! I don't even worship Daedra!2 -
Ryuvain✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes please!NotaDaedraWorshipper wrote: »TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »kaisernick wrote: »"it's already been proven that the two conditions could easily be combined if someone was so inclined to do so." No it hasnt when of earth have we seen a combination of both in my elder scrolls game?
Exactly!
Both diseases would try to purge eachother from the body until only one remained, so you would either become a Vampire or a Werewolf, there is no middle-ground.
It would have to be altered in experiments, but it's possible. Devs have changed much more lore regardless. If this was good enough, they would do so again.
Ah, yes, because of some changes here and there that all TES games does, we shall completely throw the lore out the window of how vampirism and lycantrophy has worked throughout the game series because a few would find a hybrid cool. This ain't Underworld. Do you want Hircine and Molag Bal to have a tug of war with your soul?
How do you think I felt finding out that werewolf can be reduced to a mere potion? I wasn't happy. But since they play loose with their lore it can be changed. Do you know how much ESO changed from elder scrolls lore?
Blood scion... back wards feeding. Why don't you yell at zos for changing lore?That one khajiit obsessed with werewolf behemoth and vampire lord. Lady Thorn is bae, dont @ me.
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TX12001rwb17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭No, bad idea
Blood scion... back wards feeding. Why don't you yell at zos for changing lore?NotaDaedraWorshipper wrote: »TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »kaisernick wrote: »"it's already been proven that the two conditions could easily be combined if someone was so inclined to do so." No it hasnt when of earth have we seen a combination of both in my elder scrolls game?
Exactly!
Both diseases would try to purge eachother from the body until only one remained, so you would either become a Vampire or a Werewolf, there is no middle-ground.
It would have to be altered in experiments, but it's possible. Devs have changed much more lore regardless. If this was good enough, they would do so again.
Ah, yes, because of some changes here and there that all TES games does, we shall completely throw the lore out the window of how vampirism and lycantrophy has worked throughout the game series because a few would find a hybrid cool. This ain't Underworld. Do you want Hircine and Molag Bal to have a tug of war with your soul?
The feeding was backwards before, this fixed it.
You are aware that the player vampire is turned directly by the original vampire via a full-body blood transfusion which would technically make them pureblooded, why do you assume they would function anything like lesser vampires?How do you think I felt finding out that werewolf can be reduced to a mere potion?
Well for one the Werewolf Behemoth is not a Lycanthrope, it is simply the effect of a magical potion making it little more then a shape shifting spell, Lycanthropy on the other hand is a disease which permanently gives you the power to turn into a Werewolf and since Lycanthropy is a disease why do you assume it could not be bottled? Vampires cannot have Lycanthropy because they are immune to disease on account of being undead and their state of being is far more complicated, Werewolves on the other hand are very much alive.Edited by TX12001rwb17_ESO on March 4, 2021 5:48PM0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭No, bad ideaNotaDaedraWorshipper wrote: »TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »kaisernick wrote: »"it's already been proven that the two conditions could easily be combined if someone was so inclined to do so." No it hasnt when of earth have we seen a combination of both in my elder scrolls game?
Exactly!
Both diseases would try to purge eachother from the body until only one remained, so you would either become a Vampire or a Werewolf, there is no middle-ground.
It would have to be altered in experiments, but it's possible. Devs have changed much more lore regardless. If this was good enough, they would do so again.
Ah, yes, because of some changes here and there that all TES games does, we shall completely throw the lore out the window of how vampirism and lycantrophy has worked throughout the game series because a few would find a hybrid cool. This ain't Underworld. Do you want Hircine and Molag Bal to have a tug of war with your soul?
How do you think I felt finding out that werewolf can be reduced to a mere potion? I wasn't happy. But since they play loose with their lore it can be changed. Do you know how much ESO changed from elder scrolls lore?
Blood scion... back wards feeding. Why don't you yell at zos for changing lore?
It isn't technically lycanthropy which has been pointed out already, although I'm not very fond of the whole alchemy "werewolf" either. But shapeshifting do exist in Elder Scrolls and alchemy has always been a very complex thing in it aswell. So, I don't mind it.
ESO haven't made any massive retcons or lore changes either, at least not ones that are that much different from the ones done in the singleplayer games (Honestly, all the games have them).
But making a werevamp? That would be a big thing and just take a dump at the lore.[Lie] Of course! I don't even worship Daedra!1 -
TX12001rwb17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭No, bad ideaIf you want something different why not request a Lich transformation?1 -
Ryuvain✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes please!TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »
Blood scion... back wards feeding. Why don't you yell at zos for changing lore?NotaDaedraWorshipper wrote: »TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »kaisernick wrote: »"it's already been proven that the two conditions could easily be combined if someone was so inclined to do so." No it hasnt when of earth have we seen a combination of both in my elder scrolls game?
Exactly!
Both diseases would try to purge eachother from the body until only one remained, so you would either become a Vampire or a Werewolf, there is no middle-ground.
It would have to be altered in experiments, but it's possible. Devs have changed much more lore regardless. If this was good enough, they would do so again.
Ah, yes, because of some changes here and there that all TES games does, we shall completely throw the lore out the window of how vampirism and lycantrophy has worked throughout the game series because a few would find a hybrid cool. This ain't Underworld. Do you want Hircine and Molag Bal to have a tug of war with your soul?
The feeding was backwards before, this fixed it.
You are aware that the player vampire is turned directly by the original vampire via a full-body blood transfusion which would technically make them pureblooded, why do you assume they would function anything like lesser vampires?How do you think I felt finding out that werewolf can be reduced to a mere potion?
Well for one the Werewolf Behemoth is not a Lycanthrope, it is simply the effect of a magical potion making it little more then a shape shifting spell, Lycanthropy on the other hand is a disease which permanently gives you the power to turn into a Werewolf and since Lycanthropy is a disease why do you assume it could not be bottled? Vampires cannot have Lycanthropy because they are immune to disease on account of being undead and their state of being is far more complicated, Werewolves on the other hand are very much alive.
You know vampirism has already been altered before right? It's not special. Lamae and others have altered it with experiments meaning that it's not much different than lycanthropy. Vampire flowers anyone? Bloodknight?
Remember how in stonethorn you increase the werewolf behemoth potion mix with blood knight organs? That's a mix in itself.
Also werewolf behemoths are natural too. It's basically just a stronger werewolf. Remember gray host behemoth werewolves? They didnt use potions every time they wanted to fight.NotaDaedraWorshipper wrote: »NotaDaedraWorshipper wrote: »TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »kaisernick wrote: »"it's already been proven that the two conditions could easily be combined if someone was so inclined to do so." No it hasnt when of earth have we seen a combination of both in my elder scrolls game?
Exactly!
Both diseases would try to purge eachother from the body until only one remained, so you would either become a Vampire or a Werewolf, there is no middle-ground.
It would have to be altered in experiments, but it's possible. Devs have changed much more lore regardless. If this was good enough, they would do so again.
Ah, yes, because of some changes here and there that all TES games does, we shall completely throw the lore out the window of how vampirism and lycantrophy has worked throughout the game series because a few would find a hybrid cool. This ain't Underworld. Do you want Hircine and Molag Bal to have a tug of war with your soul?
How do you think I felt finding out that werewolf can be reduced to a mere potion? I wasn't happy. But since they play loose with their lore it can be changed. Do you know how much ESO changed from elder scrolls lore?
Blood scion... back wards feeding. Why don't you yell at zos for changing lore?
It isn't technically lycanthropy which has been pointed out already, although I'm not very fond of the whole alchemy "werewolf" either. But shapeshifting do exist in Elder Scrolls and alchemy has always been a very complex thing in it aswell. So, I don't mind it.
ESO haven't made any massive retcons or lore changes either, at least not ones that are that much different from the ones done in the singleplayer games (Honestly, all the games have them).
But making a werevamp? That would be a big thing and just take a dump at the lore.
Thanks. I liked your reply.
I already know those are fake werewolves, but they use an altered version of the disease to accomplish that. That's the main point I was trying to make.
If they made fake werewolves with a potion, and experimented with vampirism several times and even made blood knights, isn't it reasonable that they could combine the two since it's not the original diseases being combined?That one khajiit obsessed with werewolf behemoth and vampire lord. Lady Thorn is bae, dont @ me.
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✭Yes please!TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »If you want something different why not request a Lich transformation?
A lich transformation doesn't interest me at all, and doesn't make sense. But then again they made bone colossus.That one khajiit obsessed with werewolf behemoth and vampire lord. Lady Thorn is bae, dont @ me.
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✭✭✭✭No, bad ideaTX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »If you want something different why not request a Lich transformation?
A lich transformation doesn't interest me at all, and doesn't make sense. But then again they made bone colossus.
A Lich transformation would make more sense then this.Edited by TX12001rwb17_ESO on March 4, 2021 7:13PM2 -
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✭Yes please!TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »If you want something different why not request a Lich transformation?
A lich transformation doesn't interest me at all, and doesn't make sense. But then again they made bone colossus.
A Lich transformation would make more sense then this.
I wouldve said the same thing about potions, yet here we are. You still haven't answered my question either.Edited by Ryuvain on March 4, 2021 8:12PMThat one khajiit obsessed with werewolf behemoth and vampire lord. Lady Thorn is bae, dont @ me.
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✭✭✭No, bad ideaTX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »If you want something different why not request a Lich transformation?
A lich transformation doesn't interest me at all, and doesn't make sense. But then again they made bone colossus.
A Lich transformation would make more sense then this.
Even growing mushrooms on your head would make more sense than werevamp.
You can make any potion, but the result either wouldn't be a proper vampire or wouldn't be a proper werewolf. Just a living failure, most likely.0 -
WhereArtThouVampires✭✭✭✭No, bad ideaIf we can't even get a proper vampire lord form why on earth would we get this?1
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WhereArtThouVampires✭✭✭✭No, bad ideaTX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »
Blood scion... back wards feeding. Why don't you yell at zos for changing lore?NotaDaedraWorshipper wrote: »TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »kaisernick wrote: »"it's already been proven that the two conditions could easily be combined if someone was so inclined to do so." No it hasnt when of earth have we seen a combination of both in my elder scrolls game?
Exactly!
Both diseases would try to purge eachother from the body until only one remained, so you would either become a Vampire or a Werewolf, there is no middle-ground.
It would have to be altered in experiments, but it's possible. Devs have changed much more lore regardless. If this was good enough, they would do so again.
Ah, yes, because of some changes here and there that all TES games does, we shall completely throw the lore out the window of how vampirism and lycantrophy has worked throughout the game series because a few would find a hybrid cool. This ain't Underworld. Do you want Hircine and Molag Bal to have a tug of war with your soul?
The feeding was backwards before, this fixed it.
You are aware that the player vampire is turned directly by the original vampire via a full-body blood transfusion which would technically make them pureblooded, why do you assume they would function anything like lesser vampires?How do you think I felt finding out that werewolf can be reduced to a mere potion?
Well for one the Werewolf Behemoth is not a Lycanthrope, it is simply the effect of a magical potion making it little more then a shape shifting spell, Lycanthropy on the other hand is a disease which permanently gives you the power to turn into a Werewolf and since Lycanthropy is a disease why do you assume it could not be bottled? Vampires cannot have Lycanthropy because they are immune to disease on account of being undead and their state of being is far more complicated, Werewolves on the other hand are very much alive.
To be fair the player might as well be a blood fiend with the skills we have.
Nothing about the current vampire's play style or kit suggests that we are a pureblood or even turned directly by the first ever pureblood.
We aren't even given a proper vamp lord form and our abilities literally tell us to go kill ourselves. Doesn't sound like literally any vampire in ES to me unfortunately.
So, I can understand the misunderstanding that we are a lesser vampire. When literally we do not compare to even the most normal vamp NPCs.
Even Bloodfiends have a gap closer and more accurate claw attacks than we do.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭No, bad ideaWhereArtThouVampires wrote: »TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »
Blood scion... back wards feeding. Why don't you yell at zos for changing lore?NotaDaedraWorshipper wrote: »TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »kaisernick wrote: »"it's already been proven that the two conditions could easily be combined if someone was so inclined to do so." No it hasnt when of earth have we seen a combination of both in my elder scrolls game?
Exactly!
Both diseases would try to purge eachother from the body until only one remained, so you would either become a Vampire or a Werewolf, there is no middle-ground.
It would have to be altered in experiments, but it's possible. Devs have changed much more lore regardless. If this was good enough, they would do so again.
Ah, yes, because of some changes here and there that all TES games does, we shall completely throw the lore out the window of how vampirism and lycantrophy has worked throughout the game series because a few would find a hybrid cool. This ain't Underworld. Do you want Hircine and Molag Bal to have a tug of war with your soul?
The feeding was backwards before, this fixed it.
You are aware that the player vampire is turned directly by the original vampire via a full-body blood transfusion which would technically make them pureblooded, why do you assume they would function anything like lesser vampires?How do you think I felt finding out that werewolf can be reduced to a mere potion?
Well for one the Werewolf Behemoth is not a Lycanthrope, it is simply the effect of a magical potion making it little more then a shape shifting spell, Lycanthropy on the other hand is a disease which permanently gives you the power to turn into a Werewolf and since Lycanthropy is a disease why do you assume it could not be bottled? Vampires cannot have Lycanthropy because they are immune to disease on account of being undead and their state of being is far more complicated, Werewolves on the other hand are very much alive.
To be fair the player might as well be a blood fiend with the skills we have.
Nothing about the current vampire's play style or kit suggests that we are a pureblood or even turned directly by the first ever pureblood.
We aren't even given a proper vamp lord form and our abilities literally tell us to go kill ourselves. Doesn't sound like literally any vampire in ES to me unfortunately.
So, I can understand the misunderstanding that we are a lesser vampire. When literally we do not compare to even the most normal vamp NPCs.
Even Bloodfiends have a gap closer and more accurate claw attacks than we do.
I don't understand why so many want some lord form. We ain't Volkihar. I honestly dislike the scion form as well, and wish they would've gone for something more unique and different.[Lie] Of course! I don't even worship Daedra!0 -
WhereArtThouVampires✭✭✭✭No, bad ideaNotaDaedraWorshipper wrote: »WhereArtThouVampires wrote: »TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »
Blood scion... back wards feeding. Why don't you yell at zos for changing lore?NotaDaedraWorshipper wrote: »TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »kaisernick wrote: »"it's already been proven that the two conditions could easily be combined if someone was so inclined to do so." No it hasnt when of earth have we seen a combination of both in my elder scrolls game?
Exactly!
Both diseases would try to purge eachother from the body until only one remained, so you would either become a Vampire or a Werewolf, there is no middle-ground.
It would have to be altered in experiments, but it's possible. Devs have changed much more lore regardless. If this was good enough, they would do so again.
Ah, yes, because of some changes here and there that all TES games does, we shall completely throw the lore out the window of how vampirism and lycantrophy has worked throughout the game series because a few would find a hybrid cool. This ain't Underworld. Do you want Hircine and Molag Bal to have a tug of war with your soul?
The feeding was backwards before, this fixed it.
You are aware that the player vampire is turned directly by the original vampire via a full-body blood transfusion which would technically make them pureblooded, why do you assume they would function anything like lesser vampires?How do you think I felt finding out that werewolf can be reduced to a mere potion?
Well for one the Werewolf Behemoth is not a Lycanthrope, it is simply the effect of a magical potion making it little more then a shape shifting spell, Lycanthropy on the other hand is a disease which permanently gives you the power to turn into a Werewolf and since Lycanthropy is a disease why do you assume it could not be bottled? Vampires cannot have Lycanthropy because they are immune to disease on account of being undead and their state of being is far more complicated, Werewolves on the other hand are very much alive.
To be fair the player might as well be a blood fiend with the skills we have.
Nothing about the current vampire's play style or kit suggests that we are a pureblood or even turned directly by the first ever pureblood.
We aren't even given a proper vamp lord form and our abilities literally tell us to go kill ourselves. Doesn't sound like literally any vampire in ES to me unfortunately.
So, I can understand the misunderstanding that we are a lesser vampire. When literally we do not compare to even the most normal vamp NPCs.
Even Bloodfiends have a gap closer and more accurate claw attacks than we do.
I don't understand why so many want some lord form. We ain't Volkihar. I honestly dislike the scion form as well, and wish they would've gone for something more unique and different.
The form isn't just unique to the Volkihar clan. Sorry to say. It never was a thing unique to clans and there is literally nothing in lore that says it is.
See, I hate the Scion form simply because it isn't one of these:
A. Literally just a vampire lord
B. Something completely new and different that isn't just a re-skin of an existing skill
Those are the two sides of the vamp ultimate rework that isn't just simply keeping it as it was. And somehow ZoS found a way to displease BOTH parties, so, now no one is happy.
To answer your question as to why people want a vampire lord form, though: Because the vampire lord form looks EPIC in ESO and because it made vampire 1000000 times better in Skyrim. Many people, myself included, have fond memories of vampire lord from Skyrim. It's a great feature and made vampires feel truly unique and powerful.Edited by WhereArtThouVampires on March 4, 2021 11:08PM2 -
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✭Yes please!WhereArtThouVampires wrote: »If we can't even get a proper vampire lord form why on earth would we get this?
I really wanted to get vampire lord AND werewolf behemoth. Played vamp lord in skyrim which was the game that finally made me like vampires. But as it is now, vamps won't ever get anything cool that npcs get.
At least I tried to get something right? With everyone just disregarding this just because of lore, yet zos can change whatever they feel like. Maybe I just want something cool for once? Like none even wanted to try to consider it, no wonder zos won't give players anything.Edited by Ryuvain on March 5, 2021 4:11AMThat one khajiit obsessed with werewolf behemoth and vampire lord. Lady Thorn is bae, dont @ me.
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Grega✭✭✭✭✭No, bad idea@Ryuvain wow this is the first time I see where literally no one on the poll would agree with you. Literally you are the only person that voted yes and not one person voted maybe.
Also...everyone here that commented they aren’t disregarding. They are disagreeing.
Disregarding is maybe everyone else who chose to ignore your post 😌0 -
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✭Yes please!@Ryuvain wow this is the first time I see where literally no one on the poll would agree with you. Literally you are the only person that voted yes and not one person voted maybe.
Also...everyone here that commented they aren’t disregarding. They are disagreeing.
Disregarding is maybe everyone else who chose to ignore your post 😌@Ryuvain wow this is the first time I see where literally no one on the poll would agree with you. Literally you are the only person that voted yes and not one person voted maybe.
Also...everyone here that commented they aren’t disregarding. They are disagreeing.
Disregarding is maybe everyone else who chose to ignore your post 😌
At least I tried yeah?
Maybe it's a psychological thing.That one khajiit obsessed with werewolf behemoth and vampire lord. Lady Thorn is bae, dont @ me.
Werewolf behemoth=vampire lord>blood scion>werewolf>vampire.0