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Two weeks of free respecs sounds about right
FrancisCrawford
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It's possible that ZoS will choose to zero out our skill points (and obviously also CP) choices for "free", let us set them once, and then charge normal prices for any further respecs. But that choice would be a bad one, for reasons that include:
Two weeks feels long enough to overcome these concerns.
Edited by ZOS_Lunar on March 3, 2021 4:21PM - This is a big update, with lots of new balance decisions, especially in the CP area. ZoS will make mistakes and fix some of them quickly. At that point, a free respec will be the decent thing to do.
- The new system will confuse people. They'll make mistakes ...
- ... especially since their decisions will rightly be hasty ...
- ... because characters will be unplayable until people make their first respec decisions.
- The previous points will be all the more true for Cyrodiil players because rules will just have changed to a state never exactly seen before.
Two weeks feels long enough to overcome these concerns.
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SgtNuttzmeg✭✭✭✭There will be almost no changes to skills. A CP change still costs 3k. It really isn't that expensive and it doesn't really cost the players that much to use. So no need to.Legions of Mordor Core
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FrancisCrawford✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭SgtNuttzmeg wrote: »There will be almost no changes to skills. A CP change still costs 3k. It really isn't that expensive and it doesn't really cost the players that much to use. So no need to.
If you tweak CP once per character, that's 54K. Do it three times each, and that's 162K.
And actually, every damage or healing skill is going to have its effectiveness changed.
If ZoS doesn't give free respecs, they're putting incredible pressure on themselves to get everything right on the first download, and in particular to do a much clearer job of writing tooltips than they ever have before.Edited by FrancisCrawford on March 1, 2021 10:01AM16 -
MrZeDark✭✭✭Meh .. 3k is cheap - even on a per toon. Gonna have to live test anyways, probably in some dungeons.. where you would make money back..
So people should be smart, take their time - read the CPs and make the most logical decisions.
If ZOS has to implement any major changes to the CP system, they’ll refund again. If it’s bug fixes they won’t.
Also many people will need to level to get more cp, so again - the money will come.0 -
Anyron✭✭✭✭✭
✭Come on it isnt THAT expensive.. And i doubt you need to change it on all of your 500 chars that often2 -
UntouchableHunter✭✭✭✭FrancisCrawford wrote: »SgtNuttzmeg wrote: »There will be almost no changes to skills. A CP change still costs 3k. It really isn't that expensive and it doesn't really cost the players that much to use. So no need to.
If you tweak CP once per character, that's 54K. Do it three times each, and that's 162K.
And actually, every damage or healing skill is going to have its effectiveness changed.
If ZoS doesn't give free respecs, they're putting incredible pressure on themselves to get everything right on the first download, and in particular to do a much clearer job of writing tooltips than they ever have before.
Could be but in my opinion the racial changes it is a worst.
We should get racial tokens.7 -
goldenarcher1✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Just make it free to change your CP and skill points whenever you need to.
Plenty of other things to sink gold into.5 -
The_Old_Goat✭✭✭✭✭
✭I agree that cp changes aren't that expensive for me and a lot of others but that isn't the case for everyone. I hope they decide to give up a free cp change grace period for everybody.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭They have definitely had 1g respecs (at least for skills) following a patch back in the day. If any patch merits that, it’s this one. They should do it for both CP and skills for a week or two. Even though there is not a bunch of changes to skills themselves the CP changes are going to change how some of them function. I see very little downside to allowing cheap changes for a while.5 -
PeacefulAnarchy✭✭✭✭✭
✭When the PTS first went live there was 1 week of free respecs for CP. I don't recall if it also applied to skills. My understanding is that there will be a week of free respecs at least for CP when it goes live. I'm pretty sure there was explicit confirmation from the devs besides it being in that first PTS build but I'm not certain.
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✭✭May come as a surprise to some of you but some players can't spend 40h a week playing a video game.
Respec cost gold sink for attributes, cp, & skills should be removed permanently considering the pin-the-tail on the donkey balancing.Edited by Wolfpaw on March 1, 2021 7:16PM11 -
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Personally I think this kind of thing should be scaled on time. Everyone gets a free respec a week, second respec in a week costs half of current cost, and then third and subsequent respecs cost what they do now. Maybe a month instead of a week is more balanced, but something along those lines.May come as a surprise to some of you but some players can't spend 40h a week playing a video game.
Respec cost gold sink for attributes, cp, & skills should be removed permanently considering the pin-the-tail on the donkey balancing.
It still keeps the balance and gold sink rationale for not making everything free respecs anytime, but allows those who are respecing only occasionally to not be cost constrained, since those fixed gold costs can range anywhere from burdensome to negligible for different players.
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✭✭PeacefulAnarchy wrote: »
Personally I think this kind of thing should be scaled on time. Everyone gets a free respec a week, second respec in a week costs half of current cost, and then third and subsequent respecs cost what they do now. Maybe a month instead of a week is more balanced, but something along those lines.May come as a surprise to some of you but some players can't spend 40h a week playing a video game.
Respec cost gold sink for attributes, cp, & skills should be removed permanently considering the pin-the-tail on the donkey balancing.
It still keeps the balance and gold sink rationale for not making everything free respecs anytime, but allows those who are respecing only occasionally to not be cost constrained, since those fixed gold costs can range anywhere from burdensome to negligible for different players.
At this point I'm starting to think all these wide swings have less to do with performance/combat balance, & more to do with players pulling out their credit cards to sell crowns for gold to keep up.0 -
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✭PeacefulAnarchy wrote: »
Personally I think this kind of thing should be scaled on time. Everyone gets a free respec a week, second respec in a week costs half of current cost, and then third and subsequent respecs cost what they do now. Maybe a month instead of a week is more balanced, but something along those lines.May come as a surprise to some of you but some players can't spend 40h a week playing a video game.
Respec cost gold sink for attributes, cp, & skills should be removed permanently considering the pin-the-tail on the donkey balancing.
It still keeps the balance and gold sink rationale for not making everything free respecs anytime, but allows those who are respecing only occasionally to not be cost constrained, since those fixed gold costs can range anywhere from burdensome to negligible for different players.
At this point I'm starting to think all these wide swings have less to do with performance/combat balance, & more to do with players pulling out their credit cards to sell crowns for gold to keep up.
Yeah becase 3k gold is going to kill everyone0 -
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✭✭PeacefulAnarchy wrote: »
Personally I think this kind of thing should be scaled on time. Everyone gets a free respec a week, second respec in a week costs half of current cost, and then third and subsequent respecs cost what they do now. Maybe a month instead of a week is more balanced, but something along those lines.May come as a surprise to some of you but some players can't spend 40h a week playing a video game.
Respec cost gold sink for attributes, cp, & skills should be removed permanently considering the pin-the-tail on the donkey balancing.
It still keeps the balance and gold sink rationale for not making everything free respecs anytime, but allows those who are respecing only occasionally to not be cost constrained, since those fixed gold costs can range anywhere from burdensome to negligible for different players.
At this point I'm starting to think all these wide swings have less to do with performance/combat balance, & more to do with players pulling out their credit cards to sell crowns for gold to keep up.
Yeah becase 3k gold is going to kill everyone
Small correction, one toon.
3200g for attributes-adjusted health stam/mag if needed (PvP)
5-10k plus skill reset
3k CP
and of course any set replacements/quality updates to stay competitive.
I think removing CP cost for a few weeks would be a good gesture on ZOS part.
edit: & racial "balance" swings $25 or 300,000g
Edited by Wolfpaw on March 1, 2021 10:01PM3 -
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✭✭✭✭PeacefulAnarchy wrote: »When the PTS first went live there was 1 week of free respecs for CP. I don't recall if it also applied to skills. My understanding is that there will be a week of free respecs at least for CP when it goes live. I'm pretty sure there was explicit confirmation from the devs besides it being in that first PTS build but I'm not certain.
I was assuming that that was PTS-only -- the alternative ways of easily affording PTS respecs notwithstanding -- which is where I got the idea. I hope you're right, and it would make sense if you were.0 -
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✭FrancisCrawford wrote: »
But that is your choice nobody forces you to do that.. Im think every inteligent player doesnt need to change cp 360x to see how it works0 -
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✭PeacefulAnarchy wrote: »
Personally I think this kind of thing should be scaled on time. Everyone gets a free respec a week, second respec in a week costs half of current cost, and then third and subsequent respecs cost what they do now. Maybe a month instead of a week is more balanced, but something along those lines.May come as a surprise to some of you but some players can't spend 40h a week playing a video game.
Respec cost gold sink for attributes, cp, & skills should be removed permanently considering the pin-the-tail on the donkey balancing.
It still keeps the balance and gold sink rationale for not making everything free respecs anytime, but allows those who are respecing only occasionally to not be cost constrained, since those fixed gold costs can range anywhere from burdensome to negligible for different players.
At this point I'm starting to think all these wide swings have less to do with performance/combat balance, & more to do with players pulling out their credit cards to sell crowns for gold to keep up.
Yeah becase 3k gold is going to kill everyone
Small correction, one toon.
3200g for attributes-adjusted health stam/mag if needed (PvP)
5-10k plus skill reset
3k CP
and of course any set replacements/quality updates to stay competitive.
I think removing CP cost for a few weeks would be a good gesture on ZOS part.
edit: & racial "balance" swings $25 or 300,000g
As a PvP player i need to adjust my build every patch, but i call it fun, thats why im playing this game after all
Racial " Balance" = Holding meta
You are going to be ok even without it
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TPishek✭✭✭✭✭All of your skills and passives and CP will be reset when the patch launches anyway.0
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Foolebuilt_33✭✭✭UntouchableHunter wrote: »FrancisCrawford wrote: »SgtNuttzmeg wrote: »There will be almost no changes to skills. A CP change still costs 3k. It really isn't that expensive and it doesn't really cost the players that much to use. So no need to.
If you tweak CP once per character, that's 54K. Do it three times each, and that's 162K.
And actually, every damage or healing skill is going to have its effectiveness changed.
If ZoS doesn't give free respecs, they're putting incredible pressure on themselves to get everything right on the first download, and in particular to do a much clearer job of writing tooltips than they ever have before.
Could be but in my opinion the racial changes it is a worst.
We should get racial tokens.
Absolutely agree we got free race change for elsewyr so why are we not getting them now with these big race changes1 -
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✭All of your skills and passives and CP will be reset when the patch launches anyway.
I hate this so much. I'm maxed out on alts. The last time they did a mandatory respec, it literally took me months to recreate all the work I had put into selecting skills and morphs for all of my characters, and that was... several skill points ago for most of those characters. It will be even worse this time around.
I'm honestly not sure I have it in me to go through all that again. This may be the "goodbye to ESO+" moment for me.1 -
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✭I have to agree with some here, respecs aren't expensive. Now I could see if you don't have gold saved or poor at managing your money but for the rest of us sitting on millions, it's a non-issue.
Now racial changes, that should at least be discounted down to like 500 crowns or something.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Jolipinator wrote: »
I'm glad they're doing this. It's the right thing to do with such a big change to the game. I was a bit nervous they weren't going to do this, but historically ZoS has been pretty good about respec grace periods when they've done major overhauls like this. Glad to see that tradition continuing!2 -
Jacozilla✭✭✭✭✭Foolebuilt_33 wrote: »UntouchableHunter wrote: »FrancisCrawford wrote: »SgtNuttzmeg wrote: »There will be almost no changes to skills. A CP change still costs 3k. It really isn't that expensive and it doesn't really cost the players that much to use. So no need to.
If you tweak CP once per character, that's 54K. Do it three times each, and that's 162K.
And actually, every damage or healing skill is going to have its effectiveness changed.
If ZoS doesn't give free respecs, they're putting incredible pressure on themselves to get everything right on the first download, and in particular to do a much clearer job of writing tooltips than they ever have before.
Could be but in my opinion the racial changes it is a worst.
We should get racial tokens.
Absolutely agree we got free race change for elsewyr so why are we not getting them now with these big race changes
Actually we didn’t. What we got was 3 race tokens - if you played less than 3 chars then sure, all race changes were free after that update.
But anyone with more chars who desired race change due to the update changes had to pay.0 -
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✭Good thing this was announced! https://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/59665Edited by Athan1 on March 3, 2021 11:46PMAthan Atticus Imperial Templar of Shezarr0 -
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✭I hope I get the chance to try all my characters but it will probably be a much longer process for me personally as I start a new job next week and it's a lot of hours (Murphy's law on the timing but at least I get paid now) . I'm really glad that most other people will get a lot of time to play around and tweak their characters.0 -
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✭✭✭✭Jolipinator wrote: »
Awesome! That may be my best ZoS call since https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/351117/a-compromise-suggestion-for-itemization-trait-change-tokens0
