Argonian buff!!! Thanks for the 1000 stam

ArgonianAustin · January 2021

Thank you! Finally!

Aptonoth · January 2021

ArgonianAustin wrote: »

Thank you! Finally!

Wow really? Sweeet.

Suna_Ye_Sunnabe · January 2021

Where do you see this?

YandereGirlfriend · January 2021

It's not really a buff - they nerfed the potion passive to pay for it.

ArgonianAustin · January 2021

YandereGirlfriend wrote: »

It's not really a buff - they nerfed the potion passive to pay for it.

Yeah but i hated that you basically have to chug a potion every 45 seconds then to feel like you have more sustain. i want more always active stats

Tommy_The_Gun · January 2021

It is a nerf. Look what they have done to potion passive:

"Reduced the resources restored to 3125, down from 4000."

So, while it may look nice on the screen in game, that Argonias have 1K health, mag and now also stam - this bonus to stamina wont make Argonians good stam dps. It is a terrible trade-off. In fact Argonians are still the worst dps race overall. Other races got bonuses to spell or weapon dmg. Orc for example - Swift Warrior now gives you spell dmg too, which makes Orc better healer than Argonian... Which I hope says something about how bad Argonian passive are right now (if they went live that is).

In short, Argonians still are irrelevant race when it comes to DPS, but now they are even worse & less relevant for Tank & healer as their main sustain passive was cut by 30%.

Oh and btw this 6% healing bonus is still laughable....

Edit:
It seems that due to new CP system we gonna get even more max resources. So that max resources bonuses are kinda weak as it will be easier to get that 30K+ stam or mag. So again... terrible trade-off...

ArgonianAustin · January 2021

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

It is a nerf. Look what they have done to potion passive:

"Reduced the resources restored to 3125, down from 4000."

So, while it may look nice on the screen in game, that Argonias have 1K health, mag and now also stam - this bonus to stamina wont make Argonians good stam dps. It is a terrible trade-off. In fact Argonians are still the worst dps race overall. Other races got bonuses to spell or weapon dmg. Orc for example - Swift Warrior now gives you spell dmg too, which makes Orc better healer than Argonian... Which I hope says something about how bad Argonian passive are right now (if they went live that is).

In short, Argonians still are irrelevant race when it comes to DPS, but now they are even worse & less relevant for Tank & healer as their main sustain passive was cut by 30%.

Oh and btw this 6% healing bonus is still laughable....

Edit:
It seems that due to new CP system we gonna get even more max resources. So that max resources bonuses are kinda weak as it will be easier to get that 30K+ stam or mag. So again... terrible trade-off...

Yeah but i only play argonian and really dont want to drink a potion to be on par with other races that are good without needing a potion. I say just remove the potion passive thing and give juicier passives like flat recoveries, pretty much copy and paste khajiit passives!

Oh and on about more max resources with the new cp change, i was thinking because of new changes to cp that they removed the extra health, mag, stam when reaching cp 160 and just added the new flat amounts.

Raideen · January 2021

Its not a buff, its a buff to stamina and a nerf to magicka. There are now 50% less magicka races than stamina races.

I am sick of the stamina meta of this game.

Sekt_Tiberlus · February 2021

Its not a buff. Its a nerf. Argonians still need to be buffed like 6000 resources restore or replace healing done at elast with 150-200 weapon and spell damage and reduced potion cooldown by 3-5 seconds. [snip]

[Edited to remove Baiting]

emilyhyoyeon · February 2021

imo argonians need spell/weapon damage to suit their stealth-based magicka & stamina assassin-ish role from the previous TES titles instead of the weird, debatedly-fitting potion passive.
But yeah I'm also happy about the change like the OP because it's probably the start of a better set of argonian passives. I don't only play argonian but my main is one.

Sekt_Tiberlus · February 2021

emilyhyoyeon wrote: »

imo argonians need spell/weapon damage to suit their stealth-based magicka & stamina assassin-ish role from the previous TES titles instead of the weird, debatedly-fitting potion passive.
But yeah I'm also happy about the change like the OP because it's probably the start of a better set of argonian passives. I don't only play argonian but my main is one.

Its okay with potion passives. Drinking potion is a base mechanics in this game. You can't say its expenisive or soemthing there a tons of drop potions. Argonians are never an assassins or thieves race

(they are actually more mages in that case)

. They are VERSATILE race. Despite the fact they have a best assassins/nightblades in whole Tamriel - the Shadowscales, but its an elite and minor caste. Argonians are superior mages, good warriors with excellent survivability and have some features that helps them to advances in rogue style.

Problem that argonians just need to be buffed right now not paying attention to any balance. Cause it was what ZOS done for other races. I say it since i have 16 characters and almost all of them are magicka or stamina dd.

DreadDaedroth · February 2021

It's weird how for some races Zos just gives new stuff while to argonians Zos takes and gives.

Starlock · February 2021

ArgonianAustin wrote: »

YandereGirlfriend wrote: »

It's not really a buff - they nerfed the potion passive to pay for it.

Yeah but i hated that you basically have to chug a potion every 45 seconds then to feel like you have more sustain. i want more always active stats

Me too - I don't even use potions. View them as a crutch, something to be used only in emergency if I screwed up. So the potion chugging passive basically just makes it a super emergency crutch, I guess? Neat, but not that great for me and static resources definitely better.

Ratzkifal · February 2021

Something to consider, which a lot of people (me included) haven't is that everyone will have increased base stats next patch. The 6% healing done passive is actually relevant now because everyone starts with 1000 spell and weapon damage. Previously and Argonian would need 3333 spell damage to get more healing from their passive than an Altmer from their 258 spell damage, but with the new base spell damage 3333 is very achievable. A golden weapon and major courage and major and minor sorcery are already enough, which isn't even accounting for jewelry enchantment, mundus stones, minor courage or spell damage set boni yet.

phantasmalD · February 2021

I personally still don't like the flavour it presents, but yeah, at least it might be a relevant passive now.

emilyhyoyeon · February 2021

emilyhyoyeon wrote: »

imo argonians need spell/weapon damage to suit their stealth-based magicka & stamina assassin-ish role from the previous TES titles instead of the weird, debatedly-fitting potion passive.
But yeah I'm also happy about the change like the OP because it's probably the start of a better set of argonian passives. I don't only play argonian but my main is one.

Sekt_Tiberlus wrote: »

emilyhyoyeon wrote: »

imo argonians need spell/weapon damage to suit their stealth-based magicka & stamina assassin-ish role from the previous TES titles instead of the weird, debatedly-fitting potion passive.
But yeah I'm also happy about the change like the OP because it's probably the start of a better set of argonian passives. I don't only play argonian but my main is one.

Its okay with potion passives. Drinking potion is a base mechanics in this game. You can't say its expenisive or soemthing there a tons of drop potions. Argonians are never an assassins or thieves race
(they are actually more mages in that case)
. They are VERSATILE race. Despite the fact they have a best assassins/nightblades in whole Tamriel - the Shadowscales, but its an elite and minor caste. Argonians are superior mages, good warriors with excellent survivability and have some features that helps them to advances in rogue style.

Problem that argonians just need to be buffed right now not paying attention to any balance. Cause it was what ZOS done for other races. I say it since i have 16 characters and almost all of them are magicka or stamina dd.

Their racial bonuses in the previous titles lean towards stealth/rogue by far. I didn't just pull that out of my ass lol

https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Daggerfall:Argonian
https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Morrowind:Argonian
https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Oblivion:Races
https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Races

They're a hybrid rogue race based on racials. That's why I suggested spell/weapon damage passives for ESO.

Aptonoth · February 2021

emilyhyoyeon wrote: »

emilyhyoyeon wrote: »

imo argonians need spell/weapon damage to suit their stealth-based magicka & stamina assassin-ish role from the previous TES titles instead of the weird, debatedly-fitting potion passive.
But yeah I'm also happy about the change like the OP because it's probably the start of a better set of argonian passives. I don't only play argonian but my main is one.

Sekt_Tiberlus wrote: »

emilyhyoyeon wrote: »

imo argonians need spell/weapon damage to suit their stealth-based magicka & stamina assassin-ish role from the previous TES titles instead of the weird, debatedly-fitting potion passive.
But yeah I'm also happy about the change like the OP because it's probably the start of a better set of argonian passives. I don't only play argonian but my main is one.

Its okay with potion passives. Drinking potion is a base mechanics in this game. You can't say its expenisive or soemthing there a tons of drop potions. Argonians are never an assassins or thieves race
(they are actually more mages in that case)
. They are VERSATILE race. Despite the fact they have a best assassins/nightblades in whole Tamriel - the Shadowscales, but its an elite and minor caste. Argonians are superior mages, good warriors with excellent survivability and have some features that helps them to advances in rogue style.

Problem that argonians just need to be buffed right now not paying attention to any balance. Cause it was what ZOS done for other races. I say it since i have 16 characters and almost all of them are magicka or stamina dd.

Their racial bonuses in the previous titles lean towards stealth/rogue by far. I didn't just pull that out of my ass lol

https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Daggerfall:Argonian
https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Morrowind:Argonian
https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Oblivion:Races
https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Races

They're a hybrid rogue race based on racials. That's why I suggested spell/weapon damage passives for ESO.

I agree and hate what zos passive. We need them to be a hybrid magick stamina race with a slight bias to magik. Their stats somehow got even worse.

Luckylancer · February 2021

If you dont like potions, you picked the wrong race

Carthelion · February 2021

I've never understood the potion passive tbh. Don't get me wrong, I've been tempted to make an Argonian. Dark skin and the skeletal face paint looks bad a**.
But having to chug a potion every 45 seconds is pretty much adding another skill to your rotation, I mean, since launch I can probably count on one hand the amount of potions I've used.
The only people using potions at that rate are hardcore pve players looking to break records or hardcore PvP players wearing Clever Alchemist.

gatekeeper13 · February 2021

My Argonian Nightblade likes that change!

But some extra weapon dmg would be nice too.

goldenarcher1 · February 2021

Raideen wrote: »

Its not a buff, its a buff to stamina and a nerf to magicka. There are now 50% less magicka races than stamina races.

I am sick of the stamina meta of this game.

YandereGirlfriend · February 2021

Carthelion wrote: »

I've never understood the potion passive tbh. Don't get me wrong, I've been tempted to make an Argonian. Dark skin and the skeletal face paint looks bad a**.
But having to chug a potion every 45 seconds is pretty much adding another skill to your rotation, I mean, since launch I can probably count on one hand the amount of potions I've used.
The only people using potions at that rate are hardcore pve players looking to break records or hardcore PvP players wearing Clever Alchemist.

Potions are meant to be used by everyone not just Argonians.

If you're not using them then you're intentionally playing contrary to how the game has been balanced and also intentionally playing inefficiently.

JobooAGS · February 2021

YandereGirlfriend wrote: »

Carthelion wrote: »

I've never understood the potion passive tbh. Don't get me wrong, I've been tempted to make an Argonian. Dark skin and the skeletal face paint looks bad a**.
But having to chug a potion every 45 seconds is pretty much adding another skill to your rotation, I mean, since launch I can probably count on one hand the amount of potions I've used.
The only people using potions at that rate are hardcore pve players looking to break records or hardcore PvP players wearing Clever Alchemist.

Potions are meant to be used by everyone not just Argonians.

If you're not using them then you're intentionally playing contrary to how the game has been balanced and also intentionally playing inefficiently.

Yeah you are supposed to use potions on cooldown (or in the situation with clever alchemist on your burst window’s cooldown)

Dr_Ganknstein · February 2021

I know I've been saying this a lot but currently on PTS Argonians are not getting disease and poison resistance. It shows up on the tooltip but doesn't on the character sheet. I've reported it a few weeks ago but it's still broken.