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best race for tanking with upcoming update?
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Ratzkifal✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Still Nord or Imperial.
The thing that makes a tank race great is their ability to use more ultimates and that wasn't touched for Nords and buffed for Imperials.
Argonian tanks got a quality of life buff but a sustain nerf and they are still behind Nords and Imperials because they don't have a bonus to ultimate generation or ultimate cost reduction. They are ranked 3rd.
This Bosmer was tortured to death. There is nothing left to be done.7 -
Bodycounter✭✭✭✭Yup, should still be Nord and Imperial. The buff to Imperials brought them better in line with the Nords as tanks.2 -
Dr_Ganknstein✭✭✭✭✭
✭I'm curious to see how the orc passive Unflinching Rage performs. I'm also curious to see if it is effected by Battle Spirit like the Argonian Resourceful passive is.0 -
kojou✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭best race for tanking with upcoming update?
The one that you have...
My tank has been a Nord from the beginning, and I wouldn't change his race even if Nords were nerfed into the ground. The racial passives are such a small part of your tank build I wouldn't worry about it.Playing since beta...5 -
JanTanhide✭✭✭✭✭
✭It's really a personal choice on how you build and run your Tank. I prefer Nords and Dark Elfs but have used Imperial and Argonians.
My favorite race is still Dark Elf. Most racial passives like stamina, magicka, resistances etc can be buffed with armor or CP. Other racial passives are very specific to that race so build accordingly.
Also you may want more than one Tank for different dungeons. I have two adult Tanks atm and just started a baby Tank using Orc. The Orc Tank may not go anywhere but after the upcoming changes I will see how it performs and if not up to par will either delete it or change it's race if I really need a third Tank.
But yeah, choose the race you want to play and try it out. Lot of fun trying different races and combinations of gear and of course the classes. I remember the Templar Tanks....back in the day having over 100K Health. And the Nightblade Tanks...woa, they were something else.
Good luck and have fun!
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QuebraRegra✭✭✭✭✭
✭I hear Altmer elves are swordmasters surpassing even Redgurads now
Hmm, somebody might want to check on LEMON TURTLE?
I'll have my Bosmer stealth back BTW, thanks.4 -
honey_badger82✭✭✭✭I prefer Imperials for my tanks however I am considering turning one of my nords into a warden tank instead of dps. I also have a Orc necro that with the new patch debacle that is coming I decided to bring up as a tank. Orc doesnt get ult return but necro does and with the sets I plan to use and new Orc racial... well she probably wont die easily0
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Icy_Waffles✭✭✭✭✭
✭If you have a Nord, imperial, or argonian no NEED to change for “meta” it’s minimal. I changed from argonian a while back and built around a Nord- changing my stone as well.
Nord loses a little armor- but it’s made up for in CP. no real change to me.
Imperials were bugged- so while I personally don’t like imperial, it’ll do great. Personal preference at this point which is amazing.0 -
dcmgti✭✭✭I tank on both Nord and Imperial. Have tanked on Argonian. My personal preference has always been Imperial for the sustain, its extremely nice on a DK tank. Nord is nice for the free resist and extra tankiness. Argonian can be really strong with infused pot cooldown glyphs and Lady Mundus. I think any of the 3 are fine, could probably off tank on Breton for some trials. Orc could probably easily tank, especially with the upcoming passive healing. It comes down to preference.0
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UntouchableHunter✭✭✭✭Imperial for sure.
Everybody can get resistance from the new CP.
If you use Warhorn the Imperial will give more ultimate and you have cost reduction in all your skills, bash, block everything. Imperial is for sure the meta next patch.0 -
dcmgti✭✭✭Even now you can get plenty of resistances with Imperial. I do get away with more screw ups on my Nord, but Imperial can easily reach close to cap while buffed.0
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MashmalloMan✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭UntouchableHunter wrote: »Imperial for sure.
Everybody can get resistance from the new CP.
If you use Warhorn the Imperial will give more ultimate and you have cost reduction in all your skills, bash, block everything. Imperial is for sure the meta next patch.
Warhorn = 250 ultimate.
With minor heroism, your base ult gen is 3.66/s. At that rate, it takes 68.3s seconds to unlock warhorn.
Nords get 5 ult every 10s = 3.66 + 0.5 = 4.16/s At that rate, it takes them 60s to unlock warhorn.
Imperials get -6% cost reducing Warhorn to 235. At the rate of 3.66/s, it would take an Imperial 64.2s to unlock warhorn.
In these circumstances, the Nord sees a gain of double on their passive vs the Imperial for Ults, but if you have other sources of ult gen from your class or sets, the Imperial would start to come a lot closer since reducing the cost of ultimates effectively makes the ultimate you gain from other sources more valuable.0 -
UntouchableHunter✭✭✭✭MashmalloMan wrote: »UntouchableHunter wrote: »Imperial for sure.
Everybody can get resistance from the new CP.
If you use Warhorn the Imperial will give more ultimate and you have cost reduction in all your skills, bash, block everything. Imperial is for sure the meta next patch.
Warhorn = 250 ultimate.
With minor heroism, your base ult gen is 3.66/s. At that rate, it takes 68.3s seconds to unlock warhorn.
Nords get 5 ult every 10s = 3.66 + 0.5 = 4.16/s At that rate, it takes them 60s to unlock warhorn.
Imperials get -6% cost reducing Warhorn to 235. At the rate of 3.66/s, it would take an Imperial 64.2s to unlock warhorn.
In these circumstances, the Nord sees a gain of double on their passive vs the Imperial for Ults, but if you have other sources of ult gen from your class or sets, the Imperial would start to come a lot closer since reducing the cost of ultimates effectively makes the ultimate you gain from other sources more valuable.
Take a look at this video and tell me your thoughts please.
https://youtu.be/71gzo0CEz4E Edited by UntouchableHunter on February 27, 2021 4:06AM0 -
Ace_SiN✭✭✭✭UntouchableHunter wrote: »
His logic for Imperial ult passive being better than Nord is flawed at least. Ult generation is like a sprint because only reaching the end in the shortest amount of time matters. You shouldn’t view Nord as taking 8 minutes to get a “free” war horn because it’s not the only source of ult gen. At a base level, everyone starts at the same pace. Therefore, if we would then factor in race options, Nord would have the fastest sprint.King of Beasts0 -
UntouchableHunter✭✭✭✭UntouchableHunter wrote: »
His logic for Imperial ult passive being better than Nord is flawed at least. Ult generation is like a sprint because only reaching the end in the shortest amount of time matters. You shouldn’t view Nord as taking 8 minutes to get a “free” war horn because it’s not the only source of ult gen. At a base level, everyone starts at the same pace. Therefore, if we would then factor in race options, Nord would have the fastest sprint.
I get it, but he is putting each race a part of everything.
And when he did it we see that the the Imperial get Warhorn faster than Nord.
But if we start to go through all the possibilities maybe Nord can win and some situations and Nord and another's.
For exemplo imagine you starting a fight with 235 ultimate before get any damage, the Imperial can have Warhorn right away. The Nord must get the first damage to reach 240 ultimate.
And the reduce cost for Imperial is for EVERYTHING, you will have more stamina, more magic, this means more skills to cast, more blocks, more speed, more bash, for a role that use heavy and can't stack recovery make Imperial the number one tank in my opinion. But I understand that you and others players are able to put the Nord in a really good position maybe I'm missing something.
Edited by UntouchableHunter on February 27, 2021 3:44PM0 -
honey_badger82✭✭✭✭UntouchableHunter wrote: »UntouchableHunter wrote: »
His logic for Imperial ult passive being better than Nord is flawed at least. Ult generation is like a sprint because only reaching the end in the shortest amount of time matters. You shouldn’t view Nord as taking 8 minutes to get a “free” war horn because it’s not the only source of ult gen. At a base level, everyone starts at the same pace. Therefore, if we would then factor in race options, Nord would have the fastest sprint.
I get it, but he is putting each race a part of everything.
And when he did it we see that the the Imperial get Warhorn faster than Nord.
But if we start to go through all the possibilities maybe Nord can win and some situations and Nord and another's.
For exemplo imagine you starting a fight with 235 ultimate before get any damage, the Imperial can have Warhorn right away. The Nord must get the first damage to reach 240 ultimate.
And the reduce cost for Imperial is for EVERYTHING, you will have more stamina, more magic, this means more skills to cast, more blocks, more speed, more bash, for a role that use heavy and can't stack recovery make Imperial the number one tank in my opinion. But I understand that you and others players are able to put the Nord in a really good position maybe I'm missing something.
I have discussed this before in the red diamond thread here on the pts forums. Do not think of Imperial as getting 6% reduction to everything, we are only get 3% because we ALREADY HAD 3% plus a pretty good tristat restore. I have done the math and the extra 3% is actually a bit of a nerf to Imperials. If they bump that to 9% then it would hands down be better because we would actually be getting an additional 6% cost reduction.
If all you needed to use was stamina sure the extra 3% is pretty decent since you would only be losing one resource restore. But as a tank any source of health restore is welcome and I use magicka for buffs on my DK and Necro tank, on my Templar I need it for Radiant ward and extended Ritual so the cost reduction on those in no way offsets the restore for magicka and health Imperial loses.0 -
Sebar80✭✭✭It is true that Red Diamond PTS is worse than Red Diamond Live.
A single LA every 5 second was giving 66/s mag, stam and health. Now extra 3% for total of 6% is just a nerf to Imperial sustain.
However when horn in considered Nord vs Imperial an extra ulti gen of Nord is a non factor for how good the race is.
In 12 man content, semi organised groups horn are not blown the second they got up. You usually have 4 horn rotation and you want to align this with other things like colossus or burn phases if there are any, as example add waves or you just wait for the major force duration to finish.
My tanks are all imperials for very long times and I almost always sit on the horn for some seconds before its needed.
Now the extra sustain Imperial has over Nord was always better from my point of view than some extra resistance that I could get other way or were just not needed.
The extra 3% will just sweeten nerf of red diamond but it is not only applicable to ulti but also to all abilities and things like sprint, block, roll dodge. Nord sustain is ok but nowhere near that of Imperial.
In 4 man content if group is not properly organised the horns are pretty much glorified trumpets and tool for sustain for less experienced DK tanks. Again you would like to have it align with destro ultis for ulti dump and most impact, blowing just for the sake of blowing it every 60 sec instead of 64 seconds makes no difference whatsoever.
Next patch from my point of view Imperial and Redguard (yes, wall of elements for 1005 stam every 5seconds)) than followed by Nord, Orc and ArgoPC EU
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JobooAGS✭✭✭✭✭
✭It is true that Red Diamond PTS is worse than Red Diamond Live.
A single LA every 5 second was giving 66/s mag, stam and health. Now extra 3% for total of 6% is just a nerf to Imperial sustain.
However when horn in considered Nord vs Imperial an extra ulti gen of Nord is a non factor for how good the race is.
In 12 man content, semi organised groups horn are not blown the second they got up. You usually have 4 horn rotation and you want to align this with other things like colossus or burn phases if there are any, as example add waves or you just wait for the major force duration to finish.
My tanks are all imperials for very long times and I almost always sit on the horn for some seconds before its needed.
Now the extra sustain Imperial has over Nord was always better from my point of view than some extra resistance that I could get other way or were just not needed.
The extra 3% will just sweeten nerf of red diamond but it is not only applicable to ulti but also to all abilities and things like sprint, block, roll dodge. Nord sustain is ok but nowhere near that of Imperial.
In 4 man content if group is not properly organised the horns are pretty much glorified trumpets and tool for sustain for less experienced DK tanks. Again you would like to have it align with destro ultis for ulti dump and most impact, blowing just for the sake of blowing it every 60 sec instead of 64 seconds makes no difference whatsoever.
Next patch from my point of view Imperial and Redguard (yes, wall of elements for 1005 stam every 5seconds)) than followed by Nord, Orc and Argo
redguards have no resistances or health boni (literally the squishiest race in the game) despite the stam restore while blocking meanwhile argonian has magicka sustain and resource pool for more utlilty and more health nords still have the best single passive in the game (ult gen) and the highest resistances save for mag resists on breton with a status effect and dunmer's fire resistance.
I'd rank the tanks as imperial and nord, then argonian and redguard0
