so for sneaking, are these three the best sets or are there others? Thanks.

brandonv516 · March 2020

Also:

Shadow Walker

LEVEL 50 CHAMPION 160

(2 items) Adds 129 Weapon Damage
(3 items) Adds 1096 Max Stamina
(4 items) Adds 129 Stamina Recovery
(5 items) While you are Sneaking or invisible and are not moving, heal for 2150 Health and restore 2150 Stamina every 1 second.

FrancisCrawford · March 2020

I did fine on a nightblade of an appropriate race (hint: His name is now Grumpy Ex Wood Elf) just with Night Terror and Night's Silence.

Subsequently I've made him into a vampire and given him all three of the stealth radius sets, which is probably overkill. When he got detected before it was commonly because of mechanics like flares or torches (analogies come to mind to the fact that most dungeon deaths are to unhealable damage).

Do note that you can get the main bonuses from all of Night Terror (3 piece), Darloc Brae (4 piece) and Night's Silence (5 piece).

Some notes on being a stealthy nightblace:

Invisibility is nice.
Going invisible also, quite reasonably, seems to help you get into stealth more quickly.
The Concealed Weapon stealth speed buff is a big deal.

Lady_Linux · March 2020

Magenpie wrote: »

Have to say, I'm finding it quite difficult to get Night Terror to drop in Stormhaven. Lots of Dreamers and Storm Knight, but only one NT. Boo hiss.

Sorry

Lady_Linux · March 2020

driosketch wrote: »

joerginger wrote: »

I would like to attempt the Thieves Guild & Dark Brotherhood dailies eventually, I mean in the way required for the achievements.

The guards in those dailies suppress the ability to sneak. Is there a way around this? Or what could be set ideas for these quests?

There is usually a hiding basket along the patrol path of the guards with the light circles. You hop in, wait for the circle to pass by, then hop out. By the way, the circle still respects line of sight. So even if you are inside it but with a pillar or something between you, you remain undetected. This is another reason speed in sneak is important. So you can beat them to a safe spot, and so you can maintain pace ahead of them.

I have one i made named Soft As Petals, an argonian i use for DB and Thieves Guild quests but i dont play her much as I really dont do well at not getting caught on those quests. Overland is simple enough. I could pass her off as a tank for non vet, non dlc dungeons while leveling up to 50 but she really cant go back into a dungeon after level 45. Battlegrounds is kinda ok as she can stealth attack for days and it's a great distraction to help my team but she doesnt really accomplish much as points go except on capture the relic she tends to do well with laying in stealth waiting for an opportunity to grab the relic...

Iskiab · March 2020

There’s a bit of a trick to stealth in this game, I said Darloc is the best set by far but didn’t explain why. It’s one of those things people don’t explain that’s confusing as a NB.

Reducing your stealth detection radius is a good thing, but nothing beats shadowy disguise. Shadowy disguise is better than the any amount of stealth reduction you can get because you’re undetectable without a pot/ability/etc...

This is where vampire comes in. Going into stealth usually requires line of sighting enemies, but with vampire it reduces the time it takes to go into stealth so you can shadowy disguise into stealth very easily.

Then add the sneak speed on vampire and vampire’s pretty much mandatory for night blades unless you’re a high sustain magblade who can afford to spam shadowy disguise.

Next part is the Darloc part. Being crouched gives you 660 or so mag/second and stam/second. Shadowy disguise costs... 3-4k mag and lasts 4 seconds.

So as a vampire with Darloc it will pay for half of shadowy disguise’s cost if you remain in crouch, but there’s more. The stamina returned by Darloc also completely pays for the stealth cost. You could invest in some stealth cost CPs or level legerdemain so you can recover stamina while moving around, but it isn’t requires.

So to sum up in a TLDR:

- Vampire stage 4 plus Darloc is the best
- Hit shadowy disguise then crouch (Vampire reduces the time it takes) and sneak will be free and you’ll get a ton of magicka returned so you can use shadowy disguise
- when near mobs/opponents hit shadowy disguise as it’s better than any stealth radius detection
- Vampire stage 4 lets you sneak at full speed, so sneak for free with Darloc and hit shadowy disguise whenever you’re near opponents

Edit - just to give you an idea, here’s how I’ve used the set as a magblade in a gathering build.

Major expedition (30%) + maurader’s haste (20%) + Swift x3 (15%) + Steed (10%) + Concealed (20%) = speed cap

Meaning I can sneak at the speed cap while consuming no stamina, and dampen plus RAT don’t break stealth.

https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=203729

Tatanko · March 2020

On my main, an Imperial Templar (so no racial or class bonuses for sneaking), I use: Night's Silence (5), Darloc Brae (5), and Agility (2). My detect radius is already small enough to run past most NPCs and jog for an unlimited length of time while fully stealthed. If it's good enough to meet every requirement of the hardest Dark Brotherhood sacrements, then it should be good enough with additional bonuses from things like race (e.g. Khajiit).

Sylvermynx · March 2020

Tatanko wrote: »

On my main, an Imperial Templar (so no racial or class bonuses for sneaking), I use: Night's Silence (5), Darloc Brae (5), and Agility (2). My detect radius is already small enough to run past most NPCs and jog for an unlimited length of time while fully stealthed. If it's good enough to meet every requirement of the hardest Dark Brotherhood sacrements, then it should be good enough with additional bonuses from things like race (e.g. Khajiit).

Hmm. Might have to try that one.....

Kombinator · March 2020

Sneaking is best used with stamina focus. So any magicka set bonus is a waste.

You want 5 night silence for the movement ignorance. Unless, if you are a Vampire in phase 4.

With 5 already gone you can only get one detection reduction. So it might be best to take monster set, and one of the detection reduction gear.

If you are vampire, and don't feed, then you can stack 2 detection reduction. Assuming, that they are stackable at all.

For Nighblade you can ignore all sneak bonuses, that aren't about giving damage. You can run with invisibility, and nobody finds you. Even if you run straight into them. Then use "sneak" once you are close enough for the easy sneak attack.

Tatanko · March 2020

Sylvermynx wrote: »

Tatanko wrote: »

On my main, an Imperial Templar (so no racial or class bonuses for sneaking), I use: Night's Silence (5), Darloc Brae (5), and Agility (2). My detect radius is already small enough to run past most NPCs and jog for an unlimited length of time while fully stealthed. If it's good enough to meet every requirement of the hardest Dark Brotherhood sacrements, then it should be good enough with additional bonuses from things like race (e.g. Khajiit).

Hmm. Might have to try that one.....

It's possible there are better combinations if you are playing something like a Khajiit, but I'm a big fan of the 5-piece bonus on Darloc Brae in particular.

kylewwefan · March 2020

lots of great info. I would only add using swift jewelry has helped my thief out a little.

I use nights silence crafted jewelry and weapons, darloc brae and mighty Chudan on a khajit Nightblade.

BoraxFlux · March 2020

Intrigued by the pacifistic gaming idea, I love a good fight, but in a world where peace doesn't come easily and everyone wants your hide, it is a nice challenge

Will be following this.

Tatanko · March 2020

kylewwefan wrote: »

I would only add using swift jewelry has helped my thief out a little.

Oh yeah! I forgot to mention that part of my own loadout. With three pieces of swift jewelry on top of Darloc Brae, you can sneak around forever at quite a pace -- who needs sprinting?

Magenpie · March 2020

I'm using 5 x Night's Silence, 4 x Darloc Brae and 3 x Night Terror, which makes me pretty damn stealthy and speedy. The only things I miss are the Darloc Brae x 5 'sparkles' as you run along, but I'll cope.

The set up doesn't, however, stop householders psychically seeing me through the backs of their heads, even if I'm using an invisi pot. A thing I still don't really understand, but I'm probably doing it wrong. But the guards never do come despite all the threats and throat slicing action, so I just steal all their s**t anyway.

Norgh · March 2020

Would these sets be ok for doing scouting missions? I quite like the scouting idea but don't really want to get involved in PVP.

thissocalledflower · March 2020

Norgh wrote: »

Would these sets be ok for doing scouting missions? I quite like the scouting idea but don't really want to get involved in PVP.

to avoid being detected sure.

El_Borracho · March 2020

You forgot about Darkstride:

(2 items) Adds 1096 Maximum Stamina
(3 items) Adds 1096 Maximum Stamina
(4 items) Adds 129 Stamina Recovery
(5 items) Reduces the cost of Sprint and Sneak by 50%.

If you're sneaking around Cyrodiil, I'd go with that

DocFrost72 · March 2020

Magenpie wrote: »

I'm using 5 x Night's Silence, 4 x Darloc Brae and 3 x Night Terror, which makes me pretty damn stealthy and speedy. The only things I miss are the Darloc Brae x 5 'sparkles' as you run along, but I'll cope.

The set up doesn't, however, stop householders psychically seeing me through the backs of their heads, even if I'm using an invisi pot. A thing I still don't really understand, but I'm probably doing it wrong. But the guards never do come despite all the threats and throat slicing action, so I just steal all their s**t anyway.

Don't worry, it's scripted to happen even if you never get detected. You can chill in the house for hours and not get a bounty, as I remember.

thissocalledflower · March 2020

El_Borracho wrote: »

You forgot about Darkstride:

(2 items) Adds 1096 Maximum Stamina
(3 items) Adds 1096 Maximum Stamina
(4 items) Adds 129 Stamina Recovery
(5 items) Reduces the cost of Sprint and Sneak by 50%.

If you're sneaking around Cyrodiil, I'd go with that

can i buy this with alliance points? i have almost 2mil of them...

Tatanko · March 2020

thissocalledflower wrote: »

El_Borracho wrote: »

You forgot about Darkstride:

(2 items) Adds 1096 Maximum Stamina
(3 items) Adds 1096 Maximum Stamina
(4 items) Adds 129 Stamina Recovery
(5 items) Reduces the cost of Sprint and Sneak by 50%.

If you're sneaking around Cyrodiil, I'd go with that

can i buy this with alliance points? i have almost 2mil of them...

Darkstride is an overland set from Rivenspire, and it's actually quite inexpensive from guild traders.

Thorgunn9 · February 2021

Great info.........Just started a sneak theif build. This should be fun..............

ShawnLaRock · February 2021

5 Night Mother’s Embrace
3 Night Terror
4 Darloc Brae

2 of the Darloc should be jewelry - both the Hidden Moon Band which comes with Swift Trait already on it - and is available from an NE quest - which effectively renders the movement speed 5pce bonuses of the other 2 sets mentioned, moot).

S.

Thorgunn9 · February 2021

ShawnLaRock wrote: »

5 Night Mother’s Embrace
3 Night Terror
4 Darloc Brae

2 of the Darloc should be jewelry - both the Hidden Moon Band which comes with Swift Trait already on it - and is available from an NE quest - which effectively renders the movement speed 5pce bonuses of the other 2 sets mentioned, moot).

S.

Sorry but what's a NE quest?

GreenHere · February 2021

Thorgunn9 wrote: »

ShawnLaRock wrote: »

5 Night Mother’s Embrace
3 Night Terror
4 Darloc Brae

2 of the Darloc should be jewelry - both the Hidden Moon Band which comes with Swift Trait already on it - and is available from an NE quest - which effectively renders the movement speed 5pce bonuses of the other 2 sets mentioned, moot).

S.

Sorry but what's a NE quest?

Northern Elsweyr

They're referring to this quest, which awards said jewelry. Warning! Spoilers, obviously; only read the top of the wiki page if you just wanna know where/who to get the quest from, as the rest of the page spells out the entire thing.

@Thorgunn9

B0SSzombie · February 2021

There's also a node in the "Crafting" branch of the new CP system that can ALSO decrease your detection radius by 1 meter per tier (I want to say up to 5 meters total?). Plus Bosmer and Khajiit have a passive that also decreases detection by 1 meter.

Cundu_Ertur · February 2021

B0SSzombie wrote: »

There's also a node in the "Crafting" branch of the new CP system that can ALSO decrease your detection radius by 1 meter per tier (I want to say up to 5 meters total?). Plus Bosmer and Khajiit have a passive that also decreases detection by 1 meter.

Was this changed? The last I heard, only Khajiit had the bonus to hiding. Bosmer were still stuck with the garbage detection crap.

linuxlady · February 2021

ShawnLaRock wrote: »

5 Night Mother’s Embrace
3 Night Terror
4 Darloc Brae

2 of the Darloc should be jewelry - both the Hidden Moon Band which comes with Swift Trait already on it - and is available from an NE quest - which effectively renders the movement speed 5pce bonuses of the other 2 sets mentioned, moot).

S.

Chokethorn mask
Shadowrend arm cops

Darkstride jack,belt,bracers,guards,and boots all with Stam enchants and divine trait

Darling brae jewls, robust with stam recovery enchants, front bar dw two daggers, one sharpened one defending both stamina restore, back bar shock staff nirnhooned trait and life drain enhancement to help stay full health while level 4 vamping invisibly around the planet.

Yw

GreenHere · February 2021

Never knew there was such a varied opinion on sneaking setups :P

Since everyone else is throwing out theirs, here's mine:

Darloc Brae :: Weapon(s - I'm Dual Wielding, any works) + Head & Chest (so only 4 pieces total)
Shadow Dancer :: 5 remaining body slots, Divines on all
(Shadow Dancer can be swapped out for the stam version if needed, obviously.)
Night Terror :: 3 Jewelry slots, Swift trait on all + Mag Reco enchants
+
Concealed Weapon for the sneak & invis speed boost
Steed Mundus bonus
Any food/drink you like that gives Magicka Recovery

So that gives you FAST (as in, I'm pretty sure you're at speed cap) sneaking / invisibility (without needing to be an ugly vampire), you can spam invis basically forever, and your detectable radius is dang small (you have to nearly bump into people for them to see you).

Those other setups that use NME(5) + NT(3) + DB(4) (so, they give the detection radius reduction bonus X3) make it so you can literally scrub your face on a guard's crotch without them noticing (don't ask how I know this), but I didn't much like being utterly undetectable; takes all the fun out of it, imo. It's just overkill. Plus, if you're doing Heists and whatnot, speed is highly valuable. And if you're out in the overworld or Cyrodiil, speed is even more valuable. So yeah, my build prioritizes speed.

stefj68 · February 2021

On my farming khajit vampire nightblade i use:

5x night moter embrace set (chest/leg/hand/feet/belt)
3x vengeance leech (neck, mainhand, offhand)
1x wild hunt ring (ring)
5x darloc brea (head, shoulder, ring, bow backbar)

when i sneak around i switch to my backbar, so i get the 5/5 bonus from darloc brae
when i start fighting i switch to the mainbar to get the vengeance leech recovery

i run at stage 1 or stage 4 depending on how i am feeling!

FrancisCrawford · February 2021

stefj68 wrote: »

On my farming khajit vampire nightblade i use:

5x night moter embrace set (chest/leg/hand/feet/belt)
3x vengeance leech (neck, mainhand, offhand)
1x wild hunt ring (ring)
5x darloc brea (head, shoulder, ring, bow backbar)

when i sneak around i switch to my backbar, so i get the 5/5 bonus from darloc brae
when i start fighting i switch to the mainbar to get the vengeance leech recovery

i run at stage 1 or stage 4 depending on how i am feeling!

Similarly, I go with 5x Darloc Brae, 3x Night Terror, 1x Ring of the Wild Hunt ... and I've actually forgotten what the other 3 are. That's on a vampire Khajit nightblade, always at Stage 1. Even if I literally bump into mobs, they don't notice me. Between RotWH, 3x Swift, and Concealed Weapon, I can sneak very quickly even without Major or Minor Expedition or the Steed Mundus. If I understand correctly, the CP revamp will speed things up even somewhat further.

By the way -- I have no idea how Ring of the Wild Hunt and Stage 4 vampire go together. Stage 4's big benefit for sneakiness is automatic invisibility if you sprint, and Ring of the Wild Hunt prohibits sprinting.

Djennku · March 2021

@FrancisCrawford I think you're thinking of the snow treaders, which only inhibits sprinting in combat. The ring of the Wild Hunt can be used while running and makes you incredibly fast.

When you add concealed weapon and vamp stage 4, you can easily hit speed cap.