so for sneaking, are these three the best sets or are there others? Thanks.

thissocalledflower

5 Night Mother's Embrace
4 Vesiture of Darloc Brae
3 Night Terror


Night Mother's Embrace Overland Deshaan

LEVEL 50 CHAMPION 160

(2 items) Adds 1096 Max Stamina
(3 items) Adds 129 Weapon Damage
(4 items) Adds 129 Stamina Recovery
(5 items) Adds 129 Weapon Damage
(5 items) Reduce the radius you can be detected while Sneaking by 2 meters. Reduces the cost of Sneak by 25%


Vesture of Darloc Brae Overland Northern Elsweyr
LEVEL 50 - CP 160
Type Overland
Set bonus
(2 items) Adds 129 Magicka Recovery
(3 items) Adds 129 Stamina Recovery
(4 items) Reduces the radius you can be detected while Sneaking by 2 meters. Reduces the cost of Sneak by 10%.
(5 items) While crouching and not blocking, you restore 670 Magicka and Stamina and heal for 670 Health every second.


Night Terror Overland Stormhaven

LEVEL 50 CHAMPION 160

(2 items) Adds 1096 Max Stamina
(3 items) Reduces the radius you can be detected while Sneaking by 2 meters. Reduces the cost of Sneak cost by 27%.
(4 items) Adds 1206 Max Health
(5 items) When you take melee damage, you deal 2000 Poison Damage to the attacker. This effect can occur once every 1 second.


Night's Silence Craftable

LEVEL 50 CHAMPION 160

(2 items) Adds 1096 Maximum Stamina
(3 items) Adds 129 Stamina Recovery
(4 items) Adds 833 Weapon Critical
(5 items) Ignore Movement Speed penalty of Sneak.


Shadow Dancer's Raiment Overland in Greenshade

LEVEL 50 CHAMPION 160

(2 items) Adds 1096 Max Magicka
(3 items) Adds 1096 Max Magicka
(4 items) Adds 129 Spell Damage
(5 items) Adds 129 Stamina Recovery
(5 items) Ignore the Movement Speed penalty of Sneak.


Edited to add night's silence and shadow dancer's raiment to the list for comparison

vgabor

Depends if you're vampire with the sneaking speed passive or not. If you're not, then you want Night's Silence instead of Night Mother Embrace.

dazee

does the reduced radius from those sets stack??

LadyNalcarya

dazee wrote: »

does the reduced radius from those sets stack??

I'm pretty sure it does. I used Night Terror+Night Mother's embrace when working on my stealing achievements and it helped a lot.

Taloros

The increase to stealth radius does stack.

The combo posted should make you practically invisible in PvE. It might even be too much.

I'd put in Night's silence as 5-piece-set for non-vampire characters. Why? Sneaking is awfully slow. That creates an incentive to leave stealth when feeling safe, which in turn creates the risk of being detected.
Second, speed helps a lot in remaining undetected, as it makes it easier to avoid patrols. 6 m stealth bonus is great, but when you're backed into a corner with a guard approaching, it helps little - getting out of that corner in time is more important.

robpr

Those are only 3 sets that reduce sneak detection range.
Personally I would use Darloc + Night's terror. Darloc gives unlimited sneak. I Sneak ran whole Cyrodil skyshard hunter and angler achievments. Detect radius is so tiny that even players have to stand almost on top of you without detect pots.

Magenpie

Do the overland sets drop fairly easily from the zones they're connected to? Night Terror is from Stormhaven, yes?

Dusk_Coven

If you want to just use Nightblade invisibility all the time then an option is to use Darloc. You just need to be Crouched for the 5/5 bonus -- it doesn't care if you are detected. And the magicka restoration rate is just mad.

But somewhere in your build a bonus to movement while sneaking is really useful.

thissocalledflower

Ok So if i use 5 Night Silence for movement speed... Then 4 Darloc Brae and 3 Night Terror

Dusk_Coven wrote: »

If you want to just use Nightblade invisibility all the time then an option is to use Darloc. You just need to be Crouched for the 5/5 bonus -- it doesn't care if you are detected. And the magicka restoration rate is just mad.

But somewhere in your build a bonus to movement while sneaking is really useful.

But if i use Darloc and Night's Silence for both 5 piece then i'm left without an additional sneak detection but i guess if i am a night blade i dont need the reduction?

also if night blade, stam or magicka?

Taloros wrote: »

The increase to stealth radius does stack.

The combo posted should make you practically invisible in PvE. It might even be too much.

I'd put in Night's silence as 5-piece-set for non-vampire characters. Why? Sneaking is awfully slow. That creates an incentive to leave stealth when feeling safe, which in turn creates the risk of being detected.
Second, speed helps a lot in remaining undetected, as it makes it easier to avoid patrols. 6 m stealth bonus is great, but when you're backed into a corner with a guard approaching, it helps little - getting out of that corner in time is more important.

Ok so would playing an Orc or a Wood Elf also give me a speed bonus similar to that?

Tommy_The_Gun

Taloros wrote: »

I'd put in Night's silence as 5-piece-set for non-vampire characters. Why? Sneaking is awfully slow.

I used Vesture of Darloc Brae + Shadow Dancer's Raiment (If you are vampire, you may skip that) + 3 swift jewelery + concealed weapn on my NB during double AP event...

Since technically I no longer PvP, and nb is in really bad spot, I did this weird experiment simply for fun...

And it was quite funny indeed. Playing like I was in a different dimension / plane of exsistance... Almost like a Cyrodiil Tourist...

Being able to move with sprint speed while invisible stealthed lol. Granted, i did not had any dmg and was super squishy... but on a NB I would not be able to kill anyone anyway... This fun build just could not possibly screem " I don't CARE ! !" much louder

Nerouyn

Assuming you're a vamp you almost have it right.

thissocalledflower wrote: »

5 Night Mother's Embrace
4 Vesiture of Darloc Brae
3 Night Terror

Don't forget weapon swapping. This allows you some flexibility you haven't considered.

eg. what you have plus 5 NME 5 DB 2 NT.

Sneak with what you proposed but have the option to park yourself somewhere and swiftly regen everything with a quick weapon swap.

thissocalledflower

dazee wrote: »

does the reduced radius from those sets stack??

Yes they def stack

Everstorm

thissocalledflower wrote: »

Ok So if i use 5 Night Silence for movement speed... Then 4 Darloc Brae and 3 Night Terror

Dusk_Coven wrote: »

If you want to just use Nightblade invisibility all the time then an option is to use Darloc. You just need to be Crouched for the 5/5 bonus -- it doesn't care if you are detected. And the magicka restoration rate is just mad.

But somewhere in your build a bonus to movement while sneaking is really useful.

But if i use Darloc and Night's Silence for both 5 piece then i'm left without an additional sneak detection but i guess if i am a night blade i dont need the reduction?

also if night blade, stam or magicka?

Taloros wrote: »

The increase to stealth radius does stack.

The combo posted should make you practically invisible in PvE. It might even be too much.

I'd put in Night's silence as 5-piece-set for non-vampire characters. Why? Sneaking is awfully slow. That creates an incentive to leave stealth when feeling safe, which in turn creates the risk of being detected.
Second, speed helps a lot in remaining undetected, as it makes it easier to avoid patrols. 6 m stealth bonus is great, but when you're backed into a corner with a guard approaching, it helps little - getting out of that corner in time is more important.

Ok so would playing an Orc or a Wood Elf also give me a speed bonus similar to that?

For PvE is use all three sets myself on my stamblade but that's a vampire. Without vampire I would use Night Silence/Darloc and use your cloak to get out of tight spots.

snoozy

Magenpie wrote: »

Do the overland sets drop fairly easily from the zones they're connected to? Night Terror is from Stormhaven, yes?

jewelry drops from dolmens but you can get all these sets on guild traders fairly cheap.
since they're used only for sneaking and not dps the traits aren't that important.

Djennku

On a stage 4 vampire khajiit, using 3x night terror, 4x Darloc Brae, and 5x night mother's embrace, you can sneak in the face of guards and not get detected. With a magicka nightblade using cloak, concealed weapon, and channeled acceleration, you get a speedy sneaky thief that can't be caught.

gatekeeper13

Yes, they are the best. You can sneak right in front of a guard and not be detected.

Cundu_Ertur

thissocalledflower wrote: »

Ok So if i use 5 Night Silence for movement speed... Then 4 Darloc Brae and 3 Night Terror

Dusk_Coven wrote: »

If you want to just use Nightblade invisibility all the time then an option is to use Darloc. You just need to be Crouched for the 5/5 bonus -- it doesn't care if you are detected. And the magicka restoration rate is just mad.

But somewhere in your build a bonus to movement while sneaking is really useful.

But if i use Darloc and Night's Silence for both 5 piece then i'm left without an additional sneak detection but i guess if i am a night blade i dont need the reduction?

also if night blade, stam or magicka?

Taloros wrote: »

The increase to stealth radius does stack.

The combo posted should make you practically invisible in PvE. It might even be too much.

I'd put in Night's silence as 5-piece-set for non-vampire characters. Why? Sneaking is awfully slow. That creates an incentive to leave stealth when feeling safe, which in turn creates the risk of being detected.
Second, speed helps a lot in remaining undetected, as it makes it easier to avoid patrols. 6 m stealth bonus is great, but when you're backed into a corner with a guard approaching, it helps little - getting out of that corner in time is more important.

Ok so would playing an Orc or a Wood Elf also give me a speed bonus similar to that?

IIRC orc speed bonuses are only for sprinting, which breaks stealth; and Bosmer have no bonus in any way to being stealthy at all. Their speed bonus comes (briefly) after a roll-dodge, which breaks stealth. So the only race with any kind of meaningful bonus to being stealthy is Khajiit (though Imperials do have a reduced stamina cost for moving in stealth, this is very slight).

RaddlemanNumber7

The NB skill Concealed Weapon gives a speed in stealth bonus when slotted. I'm not sure how it compares to the Night's SIlence bonus (all my Magblades are Vampires).

Bucky_13

thissocalledflower wrote: »

Ok So if i use 5 Night Silence for movement speed... Then 4 Darloc Brae and 3 Night Terror

Dusk_Coven wrote: »

If you want to just use Nightblade invisibility all the time then an option is to use Darloc. You just need to be Crouched for the 5/5 bonus -- it doesn't care if you are detected. And the magicka restoration rate is just mad.

But somewhere in your build a bonus to movement while sneaking is really useful.

But if i use Darloc and Night's Silence for both 5 piece then i'm left without an additional sneak detection but i guess if i am a night blade i dont need the reduction?

also if night blade, stam or magicka?

I use 5/5 of both Darloc Brae and Night's Silence with swift jewelry as a non vampire stamblade when I want to sneak through PvE content. Like the Murkmire dailies for example You can permacloak with that setup, which makes detection radius fairly redundant in that situation. On my PvP sniper I also have the mag morph of Concealed Weapon as that character never uses melee abilities.

For pick pocketing or looting containers where cloak can't always replace detection range reliably, the other sets are still useful.

As far as mag or stam, go with the one you think is the most fun, both are viable for stealthy gameplay.

Bucky_13

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

Taloros wrote: »

I'd put in Night's silence as 5-piece-set for non-vampire characters. Why? Sneaking is awfully slow.

I used Vesture of Darloc Brae + Shadow Dancer's Raiment (If you are vampire, you may skip that) + 3 swift jewelery + concealed weapn on my NB during double AP event...

Since technically I no longer PvP, and nb is in really bad spot, I did this weird experiment simply for fun...

And it was quite funny indeed. Playing like I was in a different dimension / plane of exsistance... Almost like a Cyrodiil Tourist...

Being able to move with sprint speed while invisible stealthed lol. Granted, i did not had any dmg and was super squishy... but on a NB I would not be able to kill anyone anyway... This fun build just could not possibly screem " I don't CARE ! !" much louder

Use reaper's mark to annoy people and make them waste time to find you, it's way more effective than it should be. And if that prevents those players from attacking a keep of yours for awhile, you're actually useful in a really annoying way.

AlnilamE

OP, that's the combo I use on my nightblade for thieving and it works really well. I used Night's Silence instead of Darlock Brae before Elsweyr came out.

The suggestion of using weapon swap to get a temporary 5-piece bonus for DB is interesting and I'm going to try it out.

Ilsabet

RaddlemanNumber7 wrote: »

The NB skill Concealed Weapon gives a speed in stealth bonus when slotted. I'm not sure how it compares to the Night's SIlence bonus (all my Magblades are Vampires).

Concealed Weapon by itself is slower than a sneak speed set. (I use Shadow Dancer on my stamblade and haven't been using a sneak speed set on my magblade.)

Magenpie

I have a question about the stealth detection armour skill, and I *know* I'm going to ask it poorly, so please bear with me!

Does the radius of detection and the percentage cost reduction stay static no matter what level you are? So, say I wanted to have a stealth set for stealing as a secondary set in my bags - and I'm intending to avoid combat so the armour/recovery numbers don't matter - could that set be level 20 and still have the same affect on me at level 50?

Really sorry if I'm asking something incredibly stupid. And badly.

Dusk_Coven

thissocalledflower wrote: »

Ok So if i use 5 Night Silence for movement speed... Then 4 Darloc Brae and 3 Night Terror

Dusk_Coven wrote: »

If you want to just use Nightblade invisibility all the time then an option is to use Darloc. You just need to be Crouched for the 5/5 bonus -- it doesn't care if you are detected. And the magicka restoration rate is just mad.

But somewhere in your build a bonus to movement while sneaking is really useful.

But if i use Darloc and Night's Silence for both 5 piece then i'm left without an additional sneak detection but i guess if i am a night blade i dont need the reduction?

also if night blade, stam or magicka?

If your intent is to spam NB invisibility skill, then radius isn't as important since the outright invisibility would probably supercede that and it force-conceals you, which you normally can't do simply crouching if you are already detected. The radius reduction is mostly for passive sneaking.
However I believe to use something like Blade of Woe, you still need to be Crouched whether invisible or not.
So if you want passive sneaking without worrying about resource drain/use, go for all 3 passive reductions plus khajiit race.

I also use Vampirism for the movement and crouch speed bonus, BUT vampirism is being reworked so it's unclear how long that's going to be good.

Linaleah

if you are trying to avoid killing - sets that boost sneak damage are pointless.

my personal sneaking around preference is combining a set that removes speed penalty of sneaking (as I dislike playing as a vampire, personaly) and reduced cost of sneak. last 2 pieces are something that buffs your stamina and/or stamina recovery. )

https://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Sets list of all the in game sets (i believe its current) you can both check for bonuses AND which sets will allow you to avoid killing anything yourself ( so no dungeon sets basically, but there are crafted and overworld options)

Ilsabet

Magenpie wrote: »

I have a question about the stealth detection armour skill, and I *know* I'm going to ask it poorly, so please bear with me!

Does the radius of detection and the percentage cost reduction stay static no matter what level you are? So, say I wanted to have a stealth set for stealing as a secondary set in my bags - and I'm intending to avoid combat so the armour/recovery numbers don't matter - could that set be level 20 and still have the same affect on me at level 50?

Really sorry if I'm asking something incredibly stupid. And badly.

I compared some old level 26-ish NME gear with current CP 160 equivalents, and both of them have the same 5-piece bonus.

driosketch

RaddlemanNumber7 wrote: »

The NB skill Concealed Weapon gives a speed in stealth bonus when slotted. I'm not sure how it compares to the Night's SIlence bonus (all my Magblades are Vampires).

Night Silence, Shadow Dancer, and Dark Stalker all remove the penalty to sneak. Concealed Weapon adds bonus speed, and stacks on top.

I find this combo good for moving around Cyrodiil. Penalty removal is also good for Heists, where the increased speed is good to have when working against the clock.

joerginger

I would like to attempt the Thieves Guild & Dark Brotherhood dailies eventually, I mean in the way required for the achievements.

The guards in those dailies suppress the ability to sneak. Is there a way around this? Or what could be set ideas for these quests?

Magenpie

Have to say, I'm finding it quite difficult to get Night Terror to drop in Stormhaven. Lots of Dreamers and Storm Knight, but only one NT. Boo hiss.

driosketch

joerginger wrote: »

I would like to attempt the Thieves Guild & Dark Brotherhood dailies eventually, I mean in the way required for the achievements.

The guards in those dailies suppress the ability to sneak. Is there a way around this? Or what could be set ideas for these quests?

There is usually a hiding basket along the patrol path of the guards with the light circles. You hop in, wait for the circle to pass by, then hop out. By the way, the circle still respects line of sight. So even if you are inside it but with a pillar or something between you, you remain undetected. This is another reason speed in sneak is important. So you can beat them to a safe spot, and so you can maintain pace ahead of them.

Iskiab

Most of those sets aren’t very good. The only good one is Darloc and then be a vampire, Darloc destroys the other ones.