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I don't think this is an ESO bug per se...but wondering if anyone has any advice

I've had quite a few times where I'm on Twitch, with a linked account and the stream will say drops, and it's been 2 or more days since I got any drops (so if there was a timer, it ought to have run out), and nothing.

Is there a way to tell if the stream really has drops on, or if ... the notation is inaccurate (trying to be polite about it).
Tenesi Faryon of Telvanni - Dunmer Sorceress who deliberately sought sacrifice into Cold Harbor to rescue her beloved.
Hisa Ni Caemaire - Altmer Sorceress, member of the Order Draconis and Adept of the House of Dibella.
Broken Branch Toothmaul - goblin (for my goblin characters, I use either orsimer or bosmer templates) Templar, member of the Order Draconis and persistently unskilled pickpocket
Mol gro Durga - Orsimer Socerer/Battlemage who died the first time when the Nibenay Valley chapterhouse of the Order Draconis was destroyed, then went back to Cold Harbor to rescue his second/partner who was still captive. He overestimated his resistance to the hopelessness of Oblivion, about to give up, and looked up to see the golden glow of atherius surrounding a beautiful young woman who extended her hand to him and said "I can help you". He carried Fianna Kingsley out of Cold Harbor on his shoulder. He carried Alvard Stower under one arm. He also irritated the Prophet who had intended the portal for only Mol and Lyris.
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Order Draconis - well c'mon there has to be some explanation for all those dragon tattoos.
House of Dibella - If you have ever seen or read "Memoirs of a Geisha" that's just the beginning...
Nibenay Valley Chapterhouse - Where now stands only desolate ground and a dolmen there once was a thriving community supporting one of the major chapterhouses of the Order Draconis
  • Ackwalan
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    There is a new way drops are given. If drops are on, you can click on your profile icon and see a drop meter. When the meter hits 100%, click on it and it should take you to a claim window.
  • Syldras
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    newtinmpls wrote: »
    I don't think this is an ESO bug per se...but wondering if anyone has any advice

    I've had quite a few times where I'm on Twitch, with a linked account and the stream will say drops, and it's been 2 or more days since I got any drops (so if there was a timer, it ought to have run out), and nothing.

    Is there a way to tell if the stream really has drops on, or if ... the notation is inaccurate (trying to be polite about it).

    Have you looked at the drop calendar here?
    https://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/streamers
    I think if the calendar is empty, you'll get nothing, even if the channel pictures above have a drops sign?
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    Sarayn Andrethi, Telvanni mage (Main)
    Darvasa Andrethi, his "I'm NOT a Necromancer!" sister
    Malacar Sunavarlas, Altmer Ayleid vampire
  • newtinmpls
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    So if I'm reading this right...there are no drops scheduled at all. Even flipping forward many days....nothing
    Tenesi Faryon of Telvanni - Dunmer Sorceress who deliberately sought sacrifice into Cold Harbor to rescue her beloved.
    Hisa Ni Caemaire - Altmer Sorceress, member of the Order Draconis and Adept of the House of Dibella.
    Broken Branch Toothmaul - goblin (for my goblin characters, I use either orsimer or bosmer templates) Templar, member of the Order Draconis and persistently unskilled pickpocket
    Mol gro Durga - Orsimer Socerer/Battlemage who died the first time when the Nibenay Valley chapterhouse of the Order Draconis was destroyed, then went back to Cold Harbor to rescue his second/partner who was still captive. He overestimated his resistance to the hopelessness of Oblivion, about to give up, and looked up to see the golden glow of atherius surrounding a beautiful young woman who extended her hand to him and said "I can help you". He carried Fianna Kingsley out of Cold Harbor on his shoulder. He carried Alvard Stower under one arm. He also irritated the Prophet who had intended the portal for only Mol and Lyris.
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    Order Draconis - well c'mon there has to be some explanation for all those dragon tattoos.
    House of Dibella - If you have ever seen or read "Memoirs of a Geisha" that's just the beginning...
    Nibenay Valley Chapterhouse - Where now stands only desolate ground and a dolmen there once was a thriving community supporting one of the major chapterhouses of the Order Draconis
  • newtinmpls
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    Ackwalan wrote: »
    There is a new way drops are given. If drops are on, you can click on your profile icon and see a drop meter. When the meter hits 100%, click on it and it should take you to a claim window.

    In the past, I would look for streams that said "drops enabled", and then when I started watching I would see the "drop bar" start to fill.

    Recently...nothing.

    So apparently listing things like that in the description is no longer accurate.
    Tenesi Faryon of Telvanni - Dunmer Sorceress who deliberately sought sacrifice into Cold Harbor to rescue her beloved.
    Hisa Ni Caemaire - Altmer Sorceress, member of the Order Draconis and Adept of the House of Dibella.
    Broken Branch Toothmaul - goblin (for my goblin characters, I use either orsimer or bosmer templates) Templar, member of the Order Draconis and persistently unskilled pickpocket
    Mol gro Durga - Orsimer Socerer/Battlemage who died the first time when the Nibenay Valley chapterhouse of the Order Draconis was destroyed, then went back to Cold Harbor to rescue his second/partner who was still captive. He overestimated his resistance to the hopelessness of Oblivion, about to give up, and looked up to see the golden glow of atherius surrounding a beautiful young woman who extended her hand to him and said "I can help you". He carried Fianna Kingsley out of Cold Harbor on his shoulder. He carried Alvard Stower under one arm. He also irritated the Prophet who had intended the portal for only Mol and Lyris.
    ***
    Order Draconis - well c'mon there has to be some explanation for all those dragon tattoos.
    House of Dibella - If you have ever seen or read "Memoirs of a Geisha" that's just the beginning...
    Nibenay Valley Chapterhouse - Where now stands only desolate ground and a dolmen there once was a thriving community supporting one of the major chapterhouses of the Order Draconis
  • Narvuntien
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    Typically you get a streamer crate that has trash in it but that trash is worth gems
  • newtinmpls
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    Narvuntien wrote: »
    Typically you get a streamer crate that has trash in it but that trash is worth gems

    IF you get a drop.
    Tenesi Faryon of Telvanni - Dunmer Sorceress who deliberately sought sacrifice into Cold Harbor to rescue her beloved.
    Hisa Ni Caemaire - Altmer Sorceress, member of the Order Draconis and Adept of the House of Dibella.
    Broken Branch Toothmaul - goblin (for my goblin characters, I use either orsimer or bosmer templates) Templar, member of the Order Draconis and persistently unskilled pickpocket
    Mol gro Durga - Orsimer Socerer/Battlemage who died the first time when the Nibenay Valley chapterhouse of the Order Draconis was destroyed, then went back to Cold Harbor to rescue his second/partner who was still captive. He overestimated his resistance to the hopelessness of Oblivion, about to give up, and looked up to see the golden glow of atherius surrounding a beautiful young woman who extended her hand to him and said "I can help you". He carried Fianna Kingsley out of Cold Harbor on his shoulder. He carried Alvard Stower under one arm. He also irritated the Prophet who had intended the portal for only Mol and Lyris.
    ***
    Order Draconis - well c'mon there has to be some explanation for all those dragon tattoos.
    House of Dibella - If you have ever seen or read "Memoirs of a Geisha" that's just the beginning...
    Nibenay Valley Chapterhouse - Where now stands only desolate ground and a dolmen there once was a thriving community supporting one of the major chapterhouses of the Order Draconis
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    newtinmpls wrote: »
    So if I'm reading this right...there are no drops scheduled at all. Even flipping forward many days....nothing

    Because they don't schedule drops "many days forward", unless it's something big like chapter reveal. I'd guess nearest ones would be around the next weekend (because Tribunal celebration and DLC release).
    newtinmpls wrote: »
    Narvuntien wrote: »
    Typically you get a streamer crate that has trash in it but that trash is worth gems

    IF you get a drop.

    "When". Thankfully, now drops are guaranteed when they are on.
  • Stahlor
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    Click on your twitch icon and go to "drops". There you can see the drops you have already received. When drops are enabled, you see them as greyed out --> click on that and it leads you to the channels.
  • Rehdaun
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    Before the change I would get multiple drops per day if you kept watching streams. Now I only get one per day, no more. I actually enjoyed watching streams especially knowing that i would get drops. Now, I watch my 15 minutes or so to get my drop and leave. Thanks Zos for ruining yet another perk. And before you say it's not Zos, yes it is! They control the drop rates.
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    Had set up new way (& tested it worked) before last big Zos livestream Twitch event, and although I watched all 21/2 hours but did not get all the crates I should have, as the Twitch timer either got stuck or never reset.

    Complained to Twitch, as this is their system that now does not work, not Zos. But they did absolutely nothing, not even acknowledging the complaint but sending a standard email saying nothing helpful.

    I would suggest contacting Twitch about their new system, as really don’t think it works properly, but doubt that they will do anything as they just don’t care.
    PS4 / EU

    It’s all utterly ridiculous.
  • redspecter23
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    Rehdaun wrote: »
    Before the change I would get multiple drops per day if you kept watching streams. Now I only get one per day, no more. I actually enjoyed watching streams especially knowing that i would get drops. Now, I watch my 15 minutes or so to get my drop and leave. Thanks Zos for ruining yet another perk. And before you say it's not Zos, yes it is! They control the drop rates.

    You might be the only one that had that happen and I suspect it's a bug you experienced in the past. Every single person I ever spoke to about drops would receive maximum 1 per day unless there was a special ZOS stream that might break that rule. For standard ESO streams by players, it has always been 1 per day max.
  • newtinmpls
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    Nairinhe wrote: »

    "When". Thankfully, now drops are guaranteed when they are on.

    "On" according to who?

    Used to be I could look for streams that said "drops on" and there would be drops, and I could see my "drops" bar start to fill.

    Now, even 2, 3, 4, 5 days out, when I should be okay to get another one, I go to multiple streams that claim to have drops enabled and sit there for half an hour...and nothing.

    So my question is what actually tells me that drops are "on" since the streams that claim to have them on are simply not able to back up their claim.
    Tenesi Faryon of Telvanni - Dunmer Sorceress who deliberately sought sacrifice into Cold Harbor to rescue her beloved.
    Hisa Ni Caemaire - Altmer Sorceress, member of the Order Draconis and Adept of the House of Dibella.
    Broken Branch Toothmaul - goblin (for my goblin characters, I use either orsimer or bosmer templates) Templar, member of the Order Draconis and persistently unskilled pickpocket
    Mol gro Durga - Orsimer Socerer/Battlemage who died the first time when the Nibenay Valley chapterhouse of the Order Draconis was destroyed, then went back to Cold Harbor to rescue his second/partner who was still captive. He overestimated his resistance to the hopelessness of Oblivion, about to give up, and looked up to see the golden glow of atherius surrounding a beautiful young woman who extended her hand to him and said "I can help you". He carried Fianna Kingsley out of Cold Harbor on his shoulder. He carried Alvard Stower under one arm. He also irritated the Prophet who had intended the portal for only Mol and Lyris.
    ***
    Order Draconis - well c'mon there has to be some explanation for all those dragon tattoos.
    House of Dibella - If you have ever seen or read "Memoirs of a Geisha" that's just the beginning...
    Nibenay Valley Chapterhouse - Where now stands only desolate ground and a dolmen there once was a thriving community supporting one of the major chapterhouses of the Order Draconis
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    newtinmpls wrote: »
    Nairinhe wrote: »

    "When". Thankfully, now drops are guaranteed when they are on.

    "On" according to who?

    Used to be I could look for streams that said "drops on" and there would be drops, and I could see my "drops" bar start to fill.

    Now, even 2, 3, 4, 5 days out, when I should be okay to get another one, I go to multiple streams that claim to have drops enabled and sit there for half an hour...and nothing.

    So my question is what actually tells me that drops are "on" since the streams that claim to have them on are simply not able to back up their claim.

    If a streamer simply says in the description "drops on" that doesn't make it happen. They may have an old stream description or are just intentionally lying to get extra views. You need to see the automatic drops note under the stream for it to actually count. Anyone can just say they have drops on to bait you into watching. That doesn't make it true. As far as I know, drops are not even a regular or semi regular thing. We get them for special events on weekends from time to time. You could easily go 2 - 5 weeks without having drops enabled at all so you'd have a zero percent chance of receiving a drop during those times.
  • Mik195
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    I've watched some streamers for a long time, checked the app regularly for new crates to claim, and have never gotten more than 1 crate per day. Its not worth the bother and is more of a demotivator now.
  • newtinmpls
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    You need to see the automatic drops note under the stream for it to actually count. .

    Thank you this is exactly what I was looking for.

    Now what does that look like? What should I be looking for?
    Tenesi Faryon of Telvanni - Dunmer Sorceress who deliberately sought sacrifice into Cold Harbor to rescue her beloved.
    Hisa Ni Caemaire - Altmer Sorceress, member of the Order Draconis and Adept of the House of Dibella.
    Broken Branch Toothmaul - goblin (for my goblin characters, I use either orsimer or bosmer templates) Templar, member of the Order Draconis and persistently unskilled pickpocket
    Mol gro Durga - Orsimer Socerer/Battlemage who died the first time when the Nibenay Valley chapterhouse of the Order Draconis was destroyed, then went back to Cold Harbor to rescue his second/partner who was still captive. He overestimated his resistance to the hopelessness of Oblivion, about to give up, and looked up to see the golden glow of atherius surrounding a beautiful young woman who extended her hand to him and said "I can help you". He carried Fianna Kingsley out of Cold Harbor on his shoulder. He carried Alvard Stower under one arm. He also irritated the Prophet who had intended the portal for only Mol and Lyris.
    ***
    Order Draconis - well c'mon there has to be some explanation for all those dragon tattoos.
    House of Dibella - If you have ever seen or read "Memoirs of a Geisha" that's just the beginning...
    Nibenay Valley Chapterhouse - Where now stands only desolate ground and a dolmen there once was a thriving community supporting one of the major chapterhouses of the Order Draconis
  • SeaGtGruff
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    I don't know which platform you're watching Twitch on, but on the iPad it shows streams grouped under different headings-- "Live channels," "Recommended channels," "Continue watching," and "Offline channels."

    The ones under "Continue watching" might say "Drops enabled" if they had drops enabled when you were last watching them, but if you continue watching them they won't be live, the drops campaign might be over, and continuing to watch the recorded stream won't qualify you for a drop.

    Also on the iPad, if you select the icon for your account, select "Drops" on the popup window, then select "All Campaigns," it shows you all active or "open" drops campaigns, for all games that use the new drops system, even games you don't follow. This is a handy way to check whether there's an active drops campaign for ESO without having to close or minimize Twitch, open a browser, and navigate to the appropriate page on the ESO website.

    I just checked the Windows version of Twitch, and it has the same option. I don't know about other versions of Twitch, but they probably have that option as well.
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  • Grega
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    newtinmpls wrote: »
    Nairinhe wrote: »

    "When". Thankfully, now drops are guaranteed when they are on.

    "On" according to who?

    Used to be I could look for streams that said "drops on" and there would be drops, and I could see my "drops" bar start to fill.

    Now, even 2, 3, 4, 5 days out, when I should be okay to get another one, I go to multiple streams that claim to have drops enabled and sit there for half an hour...and nothing.

    So my question is what actually tells me that drops are "on" since the streams that claim to have them on are simply not able to back up their claim.

    Streamers can edit their stream title the way they want. So I’m assuming some streamers will state that drops are on, when in fact there is no campaign active, so they’re basically lying....probably to lure people to watch their stream since many will watch specifically because it says drops are on 🤷‍♂️
  • SeaGtGruff
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    Grega wrote: »
    newtinmpls wrote: »
    Nairinhe wrote: »

    "When". Thankfully, now drops are guaranteed when they are on.

    "On" according to who?

    Used to be I could look for streams that said "drops on" and there would be drops, and I could see my "drops" bar start to fill.

    Now, even 2, 3, 4, 5 days out, when I should be okay to get another one, I go to multiple streams that claim to have drops enabled and sit there for half an hour...and nothing.

    So my question is what actually tells me that drops are "on" since the streams that claim to have them on are simply not able to back up their claim.

    Streamers can edit their stream title the way they want. So I’m assuming some streamers will state that drops are on, when in fact there is no campaign active, so they’re basically lying....probably to lure people to watch their stream since many will watch specifically because it says drops are on 🤷‍♂️

    That's sort of my impression, too, and there was even a channel that advertised 24/7 drops in their description. The channel itself was supposed to be 24/7 because it consisted of different gamers playing several different games. I think one of the gamers playing ESO was asked how they could advertise 24/7 drops and he gave an explanation, but I didn't catch all of it. If I understood what he said, it was along the lines that the "drops" weren't necessarily for "official drops" like the free ESO Crown Crates. Usually streamers who give away other rewards will advertise them using other terms, like "loot" or "giveaways," so it did sort of strike me that they were advertising "24/7 drops" as a way to sucker people into watching their channel.
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  • newtinmpls
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    I watch and play on PC.
    SeaGtGruff wrote: »
    I on the iPad, if you select the icon for your account, select "Drops" on the popup window, then select "All Campaigns," it shows you all active or "open" drops campaigns, for all games that use the new drops system, even games you don't follow.

    Sounds like that should work ... in theory, as iPad and PC should be using the same system

    Let me mess around with it for a bit
    Tenesi Faryon of Telvanni - Dunmer Sorceress who deliberately sought sacrifice into Cold Harbor to rescue her beloved.
    Hisa Ni Caemaire - Altmer Sorceress, member of the Order Draconis and Adept of the House of Dibella.
    Broken Branch Toothmaul - goblin (for my goblin characters, I use either orsimer or bosmer templates) Templar, member of the Order Draconis and persistently unskilled pickpocket
    Mol gro Durga - Orsimer Socerer/Battlemage who died the first time when the Nibenay Valley chapterhouse of the Order Draconis was destroyed, then went back to Cold Harbor to rescue his second/partner who was still captive. He overestimated his resistance to the hopelessness of Oblivion, about to give up, and looked up to see the golden glow of atherius surrounding a beautiful young woman who extended her hand to him and said "I can help you". He carried Fianna Kingsley out of Cold Harbor on his shoulder. He carried Alvard Stower under one arm. He also irritated the Prophet who had intended the portal for only Mol and Lyris.
    ***
    Order Draconis - well c'mon there has to be some explanation for all those dragon tattoos.
    House of Dibella - If you have ever seen or read "Memoirs of a Geisha" that's just the beginning...
    Nibenay Valley Chapterhouse - Where now stands only desolate ground and a dolmen there once was a thriving community supporting one of the major chapterhouses of the Order Draconis
  • newtinmpls
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    Well one more "inaccurate stream description" last night, no actual drops found.

    I'll keep looking.
    Tenesi Faryon of Telvanni - Dunmer Sorceress who deliberately sought sacrifice into Cold Harbor to rescue her beloved.
    Hisa Ni Caemaire - Altmer Sorceress, member of the Order Draconis and Adept of the House of Dibella.
    Broken Branch Toothmaul - goblin (for my goblin characters, I use either orsimer or bosmer templates) Templar, member of the Order Draconis and persistently unskilled pickpocket
    Mol gro Durga - Orsimer Socerer/Battlemage who died the first time when the Nibenay Valley chapterhouse of the Order Draconis was destroyed, then went back to Cold Harbor to rescue his second/partner who was still captive. He overestimated his resistance to the hopelessness of Oblivion, about to give up, and looked up to see the golden glow of atherius surrounding a beautiful young woman who extended her hand to him and said "I can help you". He carried Fianna Kingsley out of Cold Harbor on his shoulder. He carried Alvard Stower under one arm. He also irritated the Prophet who had intended the portal for only Mol and Lyris.
    ***
    Order Draconis - well c'mon there has to be some explanation for all those dragon tattoos.
    House of Dibella - If you have ever seen or read "Memoirs of a Geisha" that's just the beginning...
    Nibenay Valley Chapterhouse - Where now stands only desolate ground and a dolmen there once was a thriving community supporting one of the major chapterhouses of the Order Draconis
  • newtinmpls
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    Oh bless you @ZOS_GinaBruno !!

    That makes things really clear. And to be fair, my favorite streamers don't often have drops, in both cases I watch them for humor fun and cool headgear. One has an awesome pseudo-bardic hat with a ridiculously cool feather, and the other has a very eye-catching bright curly wig.

    I also spend way too much time with anyone who has an active puppy (Or other critter) cam.
    Tenesi Faryon of Telvanni - Dunmer Sorceress who deliberately sought sacrifice into Cold Harbor to rescue her beloved.
    Hisa Ni Caemaire - Altmer Sorceress, member of the Order Draconis and Adept of the House of Dibella.
    Broken Branch Toothmaul - goblin (for my goblin characters, I use either orsimer or bosmer templates) Templar, member of the Order Draconis and persistently unskilled pickpocket
    Mol gro Durga - Orsimer Socerer/Battlemage who died the first time when the Nibenay Valley chapterhouse of the Order Draconis was destroyed, then went back to Cold Harbor to rescue his second/partner who was still captive. He overestimated his resistance to the hopelessness of Oblivion, about to give up, and looked up to see the golden glow of atherius surrounding a beautiful young woman who extended her hand to him and said "I can help you". He carried Fianna Kingsley out of Cold Harbor on his shoulder. He carried Alvard Stower under one arm. He also irritated the Prophet who had intended the portal for only Mol and Lyris.
    ***
    Order Draconis - well c'mon there has to be some explanation for all those dragon tattoos.
    House of Dibella - If you have ever seen or read "Memoirs of a Geisha" that's just the beginning...
    Nibenay Valley Chapterhouse - Where now stands only desolate ground and a dolmen there once was a thriving community supporting one of the major chapterhouses of the Order Draconis
  • GaianSpirit
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    During the event all eso streams are supposed to be giving drops and they dont, not even streamers on the carious teams. But another problem is that it says on Twitch you have gotten 3 crates but in game you only get 1, what is that about?
  • newtinmpls
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    During the event all eso streams are supposed to be giving drops and they dont, not even streamers on the carious teams. But another problem is that it says on Twitch you have gotten 3 crates but in game you only get 1, what is that about?

    That doesn't sound right. I rarely get crates, but so far the "you have gotten a crate" has always been accurate ... so far
    Tenesi Faryon of Telvanni - Dunmer Sorceress who deliberately sought sacrifice into Cold Harbor to rescue her beloved.
    Hisa Ni Caemaire - Altmer Sorceress, member of the Order Draconis and Adept of the House of Dibella.
    Broken Branch Toothmaul - goblin (for my goblin characters, I use either orsimer or bosmer templates) Templar, member of the Order Draconis and persistently unskilled pickpocket
    Mol gro Durga - Orsimer Socerer/Battlemage who died the first time when the Nibenay Valley chapterhouse of the Order Draconis was destroyed, then went back to Cold Harbor to rescue his second/partner who was still captive. He overestimated his resistance to the hopelessness of Oblivion, about to give up, and looked up to see the golden glow of atherius surrounding a beautiful young woman who extended her hand to him and said "I can help you". He carried Fianna Kingsley out of Cold Harbor on his shoulder. He carried Alvard Stower under one arm. He also irritated the Prophet who had intended the portal for only Mol and Lyris.
    ***
    Order Draconis - well c'mon there has to be some explanation for all those dragon tattoos.
    House of Dibella - If you have ever seen or read "Memoirs of a Geisha" that's just the beginning...
    Nibenay Valley Chapterhouse - Where now stands only desolate ground and a dolmen there once was a thriving community supporting one of the major chapterhouses of the Order Draconis
  • madman65
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    Why was it advertised that the drops were happening throughout the event?
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    Since Twitch changed how drops work it has been horribly buggy! During the reveal stream where we were supposed to get a crate every 15 minutes, I only got one (at least I also got the pet!) and during the last drops-enabled Bethesda stream I watched, I didn’t get any at all and many people were posting in chat that encountering various problems. So I contacted Twitch support. Useless. I don’t think anyone even read my message but just auto-sent a copy-paste of FAQs. Just insultingly bad. No wonder it may be the first time I haven’t received a how-did-we-do survey after contacting a company’s support. :unamused:
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    Since Twitch changed how drops work it has been horribly buggy!

    So glad I'm not the only one
    Tenesi Faryon of Telvanni - Dunmer Sorceress who deliberately sought sacrifice into Cold Harbor to rescue her beloved.
    Hisa Ni Caemaire - Altmer Sorceress, member of the Order Draconis and Adept of the House of Dibella.
    Broken Branch Toothmaul - goblin (for my goblin characters, I use either orsimer or bosmer templates) Templar, member of the Order Draconis and persistently unskilled pickpocket
    Mol gro Durga - Orsimer Socerer/Battlemage who died the first time when the Nibenay Valley chapterhouse of the Order Draconis was destroyed, then went back to Cold Harbor to rescue his second/partner who was still captive. He overestimated his resistance to the hopelessness of Oblivion, about to give up, and looked up to see the golden glow of atherius surrounding a beautiful young woman who extended her hand to him and said "I can help you". He carried Fianna Kingsley out of Cold Harbor on his shoulder. He carried Alvard Stower under one arm. He also irritated the Prophet who had intended the portal for only Mol and Lyris.
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    Order Draconis - well c'mon there has to be some explanation for all those dragon tattoos.
    House of Dibella - If you have ever seen or read "Memoirs of a Geisha" that's just the beginning...
    Nibenay Valley Chapterhouse - Where now stands only desolate ground and a dolmen there once was a thriving community supporting one of the major chapterhouses of the Order Draconis
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