Only thing that bugs me is when a tank loses aggro constantly and I am getting chased around by the boss or just flat out nuked and then the DPS blames me for dying.

Aside from that, I honestly don't care what the tank does or doesn't do, if we finish the dungeon, I'm happy. I do not care if it takes 20 minutes or 2 hours.

Honestly I'm often so worried about my own stuff that I gotta do to be a decent member of the team, I can't inspect other players too closely on what they're doing, nor do I feel the need to know.

amm7sb14_ESO wrote: »

And skipping mobs... well, I'm here to play a game not skip through it. So skipping mobs annoys me.

Yeah i had very different opinions about this from many players.
some say its a waste of time and they actually leave mid dungeon. Many vet players who just want to finish undaunted dailies have this opinion.
some want to go through them all to get motifs and other loots. Many low cp players had this opinion and nearly zero from max cp players. this was the majority in my experience.
Very rarely(one so far) a person would say i suck at tanking just because i dont skip trash mobs.

What does "Using Stamina as secondary resource" mean...?

Asking as a tank...

Miszou wrote: »

What does "Using Stamina as secondary resource" mean...?

Asking as a tank...

didnt know how to phrase it in shorter version.
what i meant was "using Stamina as offensive stats."
many DKs use lean towards mag to use their chains. and naturally uses staffs as their back up weapon.
im a necro tank so i need to use silver bolts for pulls which uses stam so i use more stam naturally using 2H as backup weapon.
i put this in option cuz i was criticized for using 2H and not a res staff. personally i think resto staff are inefficient because healing related is the healers job

lazywhiteseal wrote: »

Miszou wrote: »

What does "Using Stamina as secondary resource" mean...?

Asking as a tank...

didnt know how to phrase it in shorter version.
what i meant was "using Stamina as offensive stats."
many DKs use lean towards mag to use their chains. and naturally uses staffs as their back up weapon.
im a necro tank so i need to use silver bolts for pulls which uses stam so i use more stam naturally using 2H as backup weapon.
i put this in option cuz i was criticized for using 2H and not a res staff. personally i think resto staff are inefficient because healing related is the healers job

As a tank main, I have a number of different tank builds I use, depending on the class I play on.

1. Sorc Tank, SnSh, Lightning stave.
2. DK tank SnSh both bars (made back before Staff Meta and am still levelling his destro tree)
3. Warden Tank, SnSh, Destro/Resto, Healz Tank, made to bring 3 DPS and do both healer and tanks job for vet hm 4 man content. (inc DLC dungeons)
4. Necromancer, SnSh, Destro.

As a rule of thumb, I will (Depending on the dungeon) at the start mention LOS big pulls, and charge through the trash and pull them behind a corner so they all nice and tightly clump up together making it easier to talons/shards them together so the DPS can melt them.

amm7sb14_ESO wrote: »

Of this list - little to no CC. Or skipping trash mobs.

I'm not worried about tanks taunting all the trash mobs. Their job is not to taunt every single trash mob in the dungeon. I'm less worried about tanks bringing buffs or not. Taking too much damage could just mean the tank is still young and learning. There is a tank in my guild who still dies quite a bit, but he's still new to tanking. I'd rather be in a group and watch him die and help him learn than to get upset and discourage him. Not worried about using stam as a resource, because how someone builds is none of my business as long as they perform their duties.

But little to no CC means they aren't performing a standard function of the tank, and it can make things more difficult for the group. And skipping mobs... well, I'm here to play a game not skip through it. So skipping mobs annoys me.

Exactly, tanking is all about managing the fight. It really helps if the tanks chains in the adds and/or roots them in place, adds often die really quickly if they're positioned right. A tank has limited resources so if there are 10 ranged adds I dont expect the tank to chain them all in as long as the thread of the adds somehow managed.

You shouldn't taunt all the trash. Most of it just needs to be stacked/immobilized.

Not wearing buff sets is bad but isn't really tangible, I won't get triggered by it, and I can forgive inexperienced tanks for playing selfish.

Not having CCs. That annoys me. You should stack adds. Period. You can be bad at it, fine, but you should be trying.

Skipping trash, depends on the content, I do a lot of achievement runs in dlc dungeons, so I'm used to killing everything, it barely makes a difference to kill everything. If it's a random group, you want to skip? Fine.

Taking too much damage? You can take as much damage as you want. I personally self heal a lot so my health can be yoyo-ing, especially in places like Stone Garden HM.
As long as you don't require complete babysitting, it's fine.

Bows are a very viable backbar option, targeted application of the crusher enchant, ranged interrupt, cone immobilize, etc... 2H can be good as well, but DW will start to get me raising an eyebrow. Why? Halved enchants, you can use the deadly cloak to apply crusher, but it's going to be halved, and not guaranteed to hit the target you want. It is/was fine with BRP DW for the mitigation bonus (vSS HM main tanking for example, why not?).

Other. One thing that makes me feel really bad. But it's just me. vMoS, I ran that place so many times, I have all the achievements here and it's probably the dungeon I tanked the most. Whenever I'm not tank, and we get to the third boss, if the tank says "let me pull", I really feel so dirty. It's so wrong. That boss isn't especially challenging, I did all my no-deaths, and trifectas, without using the exploit. It's not even particularly slower. I paid for that dlc, I'm going to experience all that dlc you know?

The performance of my tank is strongly correlated with how much the dps & healer want to contribute to working together as a party. Why don't we list how they make parties fail? Lay off the tanks

As a tank I always hate it when I lose aggro, but this usually only happens on groups of 6-7 mobs or more. Or when I am not paying attention or unfocussed for some reason.

For the record, I taunt everything!

Pulling adds, I did try this a few times. But it is not worth the hassle(skillslot), and many mobs can't be pulled. So it is better to have an aggro/taunt routine, and use a ranged taunt when needed. Using time to try and pull adds when they can't be pulled, is very dangerous!

Not knowing mechanics.

Just a pet peeve is when a tank takes slightly too long to engage a mob and start the next fight. Like an elevator door that opens like a second or 2 later than feels natural.

Elwendryll wrote: »

You shouldn't taunt all the trash. Most of it just needs to be stacked/immobilized.

Not wearing buff sets is bad but isn't really tangible, I won't get triggered by it, and I can forgive inexperienced tanks for playing selfish.

Not having CCs. That annoys me. You should stack adds. Period. You can be bad at it, fine, but you should be trying.

Skipping trash, depends on the content, I do a lot of achievement runs in dlc dungeons, so I'm used to killing everything, it barely makes a difference to kill everything. If it's a random group, you want to skip? Fine.

Taking too much damage? You can take as much damage as you want. I personally self heal a lot so my health can be yoyo-ing, especially in places like Stone Garden HM.
As long as you don't require complete babysitting, it's fine.

Bows are a very viable backbar option, targeted application of the crusher enchant, ranged interrupt, cone immobilize, etc... 2H can be good as well, but DW will start to get me raising an eyebrow. Why? Halved enchants, you can use the deadly cloak to apply crusher, but it's going to be halved, and not guaranteed to hit the target you want. It is/was fine with BRP DW for the mitigation bonus (vSS HM main tanking for example, why not?).

Other. One thing that makes me feel really bad. But it's just me. vMoS, I ran that place so many times, I have all the achievements here and it's probably the dungeon I tanked the most. Whenever I'm not tank, and we get to the third boss, if the tank says "let me pull", I really feel so dirty. It's so wrong. That boss isn't especially challenging, I did all my no-deaths, and trifectas, without using the exploit. It's not even particularly slower. I paid for that dlc, I'm going to experience all that dlc you know?

It's so sad that tanks get called selfish for wearing sets to survive.

Starlight_Whisper wrote: »

It's so sad that tanks get called selfish for wearing sets to survive.

I get why. This is not meant as a pejorative, this is just the term used for a build that only benefits the tank itself. I didn't think of it when writing, sorry xD

When learning a new fight, we actually encourage new tanks to build "selfish". It just means that they don't provide support and invest everything into staying alive, not that they don't care about their group.

But as you get better, you should convert some of your raw survivability stats into group support, as your skill becomes enough to stay alive.

Again, there is nothing wrong with a beginner building "selfish". It's just one way of building, it doesn't say anything about the player itself.

I can't stand when tanks taunt stuff and then run around like a drunk while we have to chase the boss and only use single-target abilities since the boss just gets ran right out of our ground dots.