BGs: Can somebody please explain how Stamdens can have 40k hp and still burst people down?

Nyladreas · February 2021

I'm really at a loss at this point. How do you run a full tank build and still get to hit people for 7k and even more also wearing heavy armor is beyond me.

When I try to replicate that even with balorg, i cannot possibly reach such damage unless I'm fighting a Light or Medium squishie.

Ryuvain · February 2021

Malacath + procs + best class.

Raegwyr · February 2021

Ryuvain wrote: »

Malacath + procs + best class.

Procs are not active during cyro tests, not sure about mala.
Yes, warden is overtuned af but tbh I would gladly see other classes to be buffed to the same level as warden instead of warden nerfs. Warden is stupidly OP but also fun. A lot of classes lost that (eg: magNb with unreliable burst which can be entirely dodged, weak healing and shade as only reliable defence is an opposite of fun that warden provides) and should be buffed in smart way to provide different, fun gameplay experiences

Nyladreas · February 2021

Raegwyr wrote: »

Ryuvain wrote: »

Malacath + procs + best class.

Procs are not active during cyro tests, not sure about mala.
Yes, warden is overtuned af but tbh I would gladly see other classes to be buffed to the same level as warden instead of warden nerfs. Warden is stupidly OP but also fun. A lot of classes lost that (eg: magNb with unreliable burst which can be entirely dodged, weak healing and shade as only reliable defence is an opposite of fun that warden provides) and should be buffed in smart way to provide different, fun gameplay experiences

Look at the title, I said BGs. I did manage to replicate the damage now... but instead of running a stat set as I always do I had to backbar Venomous Smite, Front Bar Vateshran + Eternal Vigor and full 500 balorg proc.

That's *** up... just horribly *** up... considering I can't get even to 30K hp with that... I could even throw stuhn's on and beat it, but then die to just like everything -.-

GreenhaloX · February 2021

Ha ha. Anything can go in this game when people are able to hack in farming bots into the console platform of the game. I doubt ZOS has the manpower, with our current state of the nation, to have GMs going around in-game stalking and policing up the many cheaters and exploiters plaguing the game.

gatekeeper13 · February 2021

Stamina Wardens are ridiculously OP.

I have one using Malacath + NMA + Alchemist and he is so strong it's silly. Both high dmg mitigation, resourse sustain and dmg output. And I havent even learned to use this toon at 100% of it's potential.

One of the most broken classes in ESO, if not the most broken one.

Sergykid · February 2021

vateshran 2h, sub ass, dizzy, heavy attack, dawnbreaker > high damage in less than 2 seconds.
you drop any sustain, you cast nothing other than your burst. Nirnhoned weapon, wpd jewel enchants, balorgh.

EDIT: yes also Malacath Band, all mythics in general are overpowered, also talked about it here but no one cares
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/555980/is-it-that-difficult-to-get-explanations-from-the-combat-balance-team#latest
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brandonv516 · February 2021

I was getting wrecked by a Necro yesterday in BGs. He had very high health and every time I hit him I would damage myself. Then he would just finish me off when I got low.

I messaged him and he said he was running Harbinger. Not sure if this is what you were experiencing against the Warden. I don't ever remember this set being a thing but I definitely noticed it. The only counter is not attacking - pretty stupid...

Brrrofski · February 2021

Stam Warden's are super strong, that's why.

I even tried vat ice staff in BGs on mine on the back bar instead of sword and board. Gives block mitigation, plus breach also lowers physical resistance now, so ele drain with a frost staff is pretty valid.

Throw the OP beam in, and it's a stupidly powerful set up with malacath, eternal vigor, 1 trainee and unfathomable darkness. Spin to win on front bar it my only proper spammable lol. Shalks and vat beam does most the damage you need

MurderMostFoul · February 2021

GreenhaloX wrote: »

Ha ha. Anything can go in this game when people are able to hack in farming bots into the console platform of the game. I doubt ZOS has the manpower, with our current state of the nation, to have GMs going around in-game stalking and policing up the many cheaters and exploiters plaguing the game.

No one needs to cheat to succeed on Stamden.

Some need to stop blaming their difficulties on alleged cheaters in order to improve.

TequilaFire · February 2021

So now procs are down we go back to blaming class balance, and so on and on it goes.

Casul · February 2021

TequilaFire wrote: »

So now procs are down we go back to blaming class balance, and so on and on it goes.

If this was 2017 Stamden I would agree. Given how many nerfs stamden has had I wouldn't put them above any other stamina class. Class balance feels pretty decent in my opinion.

Oreyn_Bearclaw · February 2021

BuildMan wrote: »

TequilaFire wrote: »

So now procs are down we go back to blaming class balance, and so on and on it goes.

If this was 2017 Stamden I would agree. Given how many nerfs stamden has had I wouldn't put them above any other stamina class. Class balance feels pretty decent in my opinion.

There are Stamcros and Stamdens, and then there is everyone else. I am not saying it's wildly out of balance, but it certainly is to some degree.

Gee, I wonder which two classes are behind a paywall? LOL.

TwinLamps · February 2021

Guess its time for yet another sDK nerf

Casul · February 2021

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

BuildMan wrote: »

TequilaFire wrote: »

So now procs are down we go back to blaming class balance, and so on and on it goes.

If this was 2017 Stamden I would agree. Given how many nerfs stamden has had I wouldn't put them above any other stamina class. Class balance feels pretty decent in my opinion.

There are Stamcros and Stamdens, and then there is everyone else. I am not saying it's wildly out of balance, but it certainly is to some degree.

Gee, I wonder which two classes are behind a paywall? LOL.

Stamden has arguably one of the most predictable burst in the game, as well as no sustained pressure and a lack of bar slots due to buff reliance. Stamcro is significantly weaker since the nerf of major and minor protect, as well as major defile. There was a time I would agree with you, but that time has long passed. Every class has a niche it fills and I find all classes relatively competitive currently. If I had to pick a rough class I would say stamina nightblade could use a little love.

Waffennacht · February 2021

About the health:
Iirc 6 heavy 1 non heavy gives the most set % bonus with Undaunted mettle (4% from mettle and like 24% from heavy - again iirc)

Food prob Skulls
BS health buff

Minor toughness cuz warden

I hear tri stat glyphs on armor is pretty popular ATM

Could easily have a trainee piece

Could have a racial health bonus like Nord

So all it would take is something like a health heavy set to hit 40k/ all attributes into health

olsborg · February 2021

Dizzy swing is #1 on the things that needs a nerf imo. The range, the stun, the dmg. All too easy imo.

relentless_turnip · February 2021

Procs...

Oreyn_Bearclaw · February 2021

BuildMan wrote: »

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

BuildMan wrote: »

TequilaFire wrote: »

So now procs are down we go back to blaming class balance, and so on and on it goes.

If this was 2017 Stamden I would agree. Given how many nerfs stamden has had I wouldn't put them above any other stamina class. Class balance feels pretty decent in my opinion.

There are Stamcros and Stamdens, and then there is everyone else. I am not saying it's wildly out of balance, but it certainly is to some degree.

Gee, I wonder which two classes are behind a paywall? LOL.

Stamden has arguably one of the most predictable burst in the game, as well as no sustained pressure and a lack of bar slots due to buff reliance. Stamcro is significantly weaker since the nerf of major and minor protect, as well as major defile. There was a time I would agree with you, but that time has long passed. Every class has a niche it fills and I find all classes relatively competitive currently. If I had to pick a rough class I would say stamina nightblade could use a little love.

In terms of Raw Power, I would still put them as Stamden 1 and Stamcro 2, with a modest gap between number 3, and there is reasonable debate over number 3.

Jeffrey530 · February 2021

TequilaFire wrote: »

So now procs are down we go back to blaming class balance, and so on and on it goes.

In BG procs are not down

Nyladreas · February 2021

TequilaFire wrote: »

So now procs are down we go back to blaming class balance, and so on and on it goes.

How does this have anything to do with BGs? Procs work there and everyone is using them. Even more so now cause lots people fear they'll keep them inactive in cyro.

Check out m other threads. I'm happy as hell procs are gone from cyro. I love it there. I'm specifically talking about BGs and BGs only.

Theignson · February 2021

Before the proc tests I'd see these builds.

Usually stamden, 40kHP, takes minimal damage, never runs out of resources, always heals to top, but also ran faster than my character who had ring of wild hunt, but also managed to hit very hard with Dizzy/Shalk/Dawnbreaker. They had it all.

You would have to figure medium armor (for wd and stam regen) but with health glyphs, x3 swift, all wd jewelry glyphs, and malacath, but also lots of cp in resists and critical resist to explain how they take minimal damage. Oh and they had to put some attributes into health.

But most of these builds have disappeared in the proc test so that is a clue. Now there are still tanky characters but a lot of them only do 100 dps

Kory · February 2021

Sub assault hits twice, their heal also keeps damage on you per second and stuns, dizzy swing stuns, malacath buffs all damage, and they were probably using Balorgh and a weapon proc. The whole class seems to play off of higher health, you even get more max health when you heal. And there is no downside to damage potential with all of it's utility, mobility, and tankiess built in to the class, it is the most well rounded class which makes it the most powerful, up there with MagSorc.

Playing a Warden feels like easy mode. My StamNecro isn't even this easy.

ccfeeling · February 2021

Paid class.

Stahlor · February 2021

We can also start talking about stamsorcs...

MurderMostFoul · February 2021

Stahlor wrote: »

We can also start talking about stamsorcs...

Stamsorc is S tier in BGs right now. I can kill and survive on one with much greater ease than any other class. Stamden has better AOE, but Stamsorc's single target burst and mobility makes racking up kills and avoiding death super easy.

Udrath · February 2021

Stamina: shield and sword/2h
malacath, 2h vasharaan front bar, 7th legion back bar, alessian order 5 piece, domihaus
Steed Mundas

Magicka: malacath, vashraan destro, brp resto, zaan, alessian order, 2 trainee

This be the meta. Could switch out alessian for eternal vigor or crimson if you want.

LightYagami · February 2021

Simple reason, PAID class

Stahlor · February 2021

LightYagami wrote: »

Simple reason, PAID class

Stamsorc is a free class and there is probably nothing more annoying, than fighting a stamsorc. As soon as they are low on health, they start streaking away and there is no way to get them anymore.

SshadowSscale · February 2021

4 words
Malacath heavy proc build

Procsets created this Tank meta where tanks can one shot people.... yet some people will claim that it's not procs fault and that procs are balanced.... honestly they need to be needed or stat sets buffed so that players can have an actual choice between the 2 without gimping themselves by goin for stats instead of procs.... we can hope that after the cyrodil test zos decides too remove procs but knowing zos that will not be the case and even if they do the small minority of proc lovers will claim that majority loves procs and the forum is just full of the minority that does not like procs because for some reason that"majority of proc lovers" does not have assess to the forum

Stahlor · February 2021

SshadowSscale wrote: »

Procsets created this Tank meta where tanks can one shot people....

I don't know, which game you are playing, but I can't see anyone one-shotting people with a heavy tank proc set build. I also don't see people with 40k+ health in battlegrounds btw.