No crown crates?

Yuffie91 · February 2021

I was browsing the store and noticed crown crates missing. Googeling around a bit I found out that this is because I live in Belgium and loot crates are against the law here. However this makes me wonder..how are we ment to get crown crate items then? How are we ment to get apex crystals? Why has there been no solution from zos for us? It seems a bit unfair we are being denied so many things..

nukk3r · February 2021

That's a question you need to ask your government, not ZOS. IIRC crown crates can still be gifted to you if you're in Belgium.

coop500 · February 2021

If they give you a way that's not against the law where you live, but it's not an option for other people, it will become unfair in the other direction as well.

Solution? Get rid of crown crates for everyone. But it won't happen, they get too much money from gamblers.

Iccotak · February 2021

Yuffie91 wrote: »

I was browsing the store and noticed crown crates missing. Googeling around a bit I found out that this is because I live in Belgium and loot crates are against the law here. However this makes me wonder..how are we ment to get crown crate items then? How are we ment to get apex crystals? Why has there been no solution from zos for us? It seems a bit unfair we are being denied so many things..

it's almost like they should drop crown crates in favor of direct purchases, they'd probably garner more positive PR and more money that way

something that Destiny did which I agree with

ectoplasmicninja · February 2021

https://help.elderscrollsonline.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/51596/~/as-a-belgian-player,-how-can-i-earn-crown-gems?

Looks like you can only get free crown crates through promotions etc. If loot crates are against your country's laws I'm not sure what you want ZOS to do about that. It does suck that you don't have the same freedom to buy them as in other countries, but that's your government trying to protect you from gambling and it's not ZOS' fault.

coop500 · February 2021

ectoplasmicninja wrote: »

https://help.elderscrollsonline.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/51596/~/as-a-belgian-player,-how-can-i-earn-crown-gems?

Looks like you can only get free crown crates through promotions etc. If loot crates are against your country's laws I'm not sure what you want ZOS to do about that. It does suck that you don't have the same freedom to buy them as in other countries, but that's your government trying to protect you from gambling and it's not ZOS' fault.

Honestly this, except it is ZOS's fault for having such a predatory system that the gov needs to protect it's people from.

After seeing people blow THOUSANDS of IRL dollars on pixel gamble boxes, they have a right to outlaw it.

Yuffie91 · February 2021

It would be nice if they would get rid of crown crates and apex crystals and just let us buy the stuff we want..

Yuffie91 · February 2021

Also the loot box law has been here for a while now and I'm pretty sure I could still buy crown crates last year. Never saw an announcement zos was removing them for us

coop500 · February 2021

Be glad you can't buy them. They are toxic.

Yuffie91 · February 2021

coop500 wrote: »

Be glad you can't buy them. They are toxic.

Well..it seems unfair..like we won't get crates watching streams..we don't get crates when buying a chapter..and we get nothing to compensate it

ectoplasmicninja · February 2021

Ideally everything would be for direct purchase in the crown store, not to mention on a regular rotation and not just making random time-gated allegiances (edit: appearances, what the hell autocorrect), but...that will never happen. There's much more revenue to be had from folks praying to the Divines and repeatedly rolling the dice on a slender chance of that sweet radiant apex rather than simply buying only what they actually want.

coop500 · February 2021

Yuffie91 wrote: »

coop500 wrote: »

Be glad you can't buy them. They are toxic.

Well..it seems unfair..like we won't get crates watching streams..we don't get crates when buying a chapter..and we get nothing to compensate it

The streams don't work for most people anyway, trust me you're NOT missing that much.
The chapter part is a bummer, but it is a small thing in the grand mess of goodies you get.

Daemons_Bane · February 2021

I'm glad they are still available here

Nairinhe · February 2021

coop500 wrote: »

Yuffie91 wrote: »

coop500 wrote: »

Be glad you can't buy them. They are toxic.

Well..it seems unfair..like we won't get crates watching streams..we don't get crates when buying a chapter..and we get nothing to compensate it

The streams don't work for most people anyway, trust me you're NOT missing that much.
The chapter part is a bummer, but it is a small thing in the grand mess of goodies you get.

What's wrong with streams? I've seen several reports from people who had problems, but not that much, and never had any problems personally.

coop500 · February 2021

Nairinhe wrote: »

coop500 wrote: »

Yuffie91 wrote: »

coop500 wrote: »

Be glad you can't buy them. They are toxic.

Well..it seems unfair..like we won't get crates watching streams..we don't get crates when buying a chapter..and we get nothing to compensate it

The streams don't work for most people anyway, trust me you're NOT missing that much.
The chapter part is a bummer, but it is a small thing in the grand mess of goodies you get.

What's wrong with streams? I've seen several reports from people who had problems, but not that much, and never had any problems personally.

I dunno how to explain it but they flat out just didn't work for a lot of folks. Or the site to link your account was down the whole day when the stream was supposed to happen. Or the timer wasn't ticking for some unknown reason despite being logged in and having accepted your current gift. I was lucky to get the frog and one crate but that was it.

etchedpixels · February 2021

Yuffie91 wrote: »

I was browsing the store and noticed crown crates missing. Googeling around a bit I found out that this is because I live in Belgium and loot crates are against the law here. However this makes me wonder..how are we ment to get crown crate items then? How are we ment to get apex crystals? Why has there been no solution from zos for us? It seems a bit unfair we are being denied so many things..

I would imagine as the EU continues to crack down on rogue and unregulated gambling that this will become the norm. For once Belgium is the one ahead of the curve. The Netherlands is also going this way (EA are currently appealing a €10M fine). There are also lawsuits pending in France. There are a bunch of regulations moving towards banning under 18 loot boxes (which may impact ESO by requiring formal verification of 18 age for loot box purchases - a credit card isn't sufficient), and publishing the odds, which I think will embarass many games companies out of the loot box mechanic.

The Microsoft take over may also change some things. Their Xbox studios policy for example would require a whole pile of changes to ESO lootbox behaviour, including all items in loot boxes being obtainable via game play and published odds for categories.

IMHO the sooner ZOS just sells these things in crowns the better. That way people who want to spend lots of money on the game can do so without gambling.

Nairinhe · February 2021

coop500 wrote: »

Nairinhe wrote: »

coop500 wrote: »

Yuffie91 wrote: »

coop500 wrote: »

Be glad you can't buy them. They are toxic.

Well..it seems unfair..like we won't get crates watching streams..we don't get crates when buying a chapter..and we get nothing to compensate it

The streams don't work for most people anyway, trust me you're NOT missing that much.
The chapter part is a bummer, but it is a small thing in the grand mess of goodies you get.

What's wrong with streams? I've seen several reports from people who had problems, but not that much, and never had any problems personally.

I dunno how to explain it but they flat out just didn't work for a lot of folks. Or the site to link your account was down the whole day when the stream was supposed to happen. Or the timer wasn't ticking for some unknown reason despite being logged in and having accepted your current gift. I was lucky to get the frog and one crate but that was it.

There was a maintenance around the same time as a stream once, yes, but I think you can get a drop, then link account, then claim it in 24 hours, no?
I've had the timer stop once because the stream was over and once when it shouldn't have been there at all as I've gotten a box that day already, which may have been Twitch issue. But the timer never appeared for me immediately in the menu, always around 10% or something, before that progress is only visible in inventory.
On the reveal stream I've got all the drops, but I've been watching it from the very start.

Aardappelboom · February 2021

Well, I was just trying to find out why I couldn't buy crown crates anymore, I was wondering if the Belgian government had something to do with this.

Belgian player here as well, kind of lame there's no way to ever get gems/items from crates for us.

redspecter23 · February 2021

I imagine that ZOS will obey the word of the law for any given country, but they won't go out of their way to make things easy for anyone beyond that. They are likely not too happy that a small part of their crate revenue is gone. From their point of view, why waste more resources allowing other ways for players to acquire those items with the crates gone? It doesn't benefit ZOS at all to do that. You might actually see a lot more people suddenly "moving" to Belguim in order to acquire these exclusive crate items in alternate ways if they were able to.

ThorianB · February 2021

Yuffie91 wrote: »

I was browsing the store and noticed crown crates missing. Googeling around a bit I found out that this is because I live in Belgium and loot crates are against the law here. However this makes me wonder..how are we ment to get crown crate items then? How are we ment to get apex crystals? Why has there been no solution from zos for us? It seems a bit unfair we are being denied so many things..

Obviously people have strong feelings on crown crates and so do governments. But you can still get them, i think. It shouldn't be illegal to gift them to you. So you would need to find someone you can do a gold for crowns exchange that has access to crates. I would only do 1 at first to see if it was actually doable.

ThorianB · February 2021

etchedpixels wrote: »

The Microsoft take over may also change some things. Their Xbox studios policy for example would require a whole pile of changes to ESO lootbox behaviour, including all items in loot boxes being obtainable via game play and published odds for categories.

This should be standard anyway. All they would have to do make them obtainable by in game means is to give radiants a gem value. Since you can buy crowns for gold, now.

They should give radiants a gem value anyway. They aren't all that special. Slap a 2000 or 2400 gem price tag( based on previous tier price increases) on them and be done with it.

Then give us a safe, easy, and reliable way to exchange crowns for gold using the guild trader system or maybe even a special crown trader NPC where i can sell X amount of my crowns and you can buy X amount of my crowns at the exchange rate i am asking for.

People would have a lot less problems with crown crates, then i think.

Radiance · February 2021

No more Loot Crates! Make all items available for direct purchase!

volkeswagon · February 2021

Dump crown crates cause it's the right thing to do.

Daemons_Bane · February 2021

Always a small group who ruins it for the rest of us.. those people who can enjoy these crates, who can be responsible, should lose out because some people have spines made of gummy worms

Nairinhe · February 2021

Daemons_Bane wrote: »

Always a small group who ruins it for the rest of us.. those people who can enjoy these crates, who can be responsible, should lose out because some people have spines made of gummy worms

You only think so as long as gambling addiction (or any kind of addiction) is some abstract crap that happens to some abstract other people you don't know. On the other had, when did prohibiting something ever actually work?

ADarklore · February 2021

I'm certainly glad some people have governments dictating to them, "protecting" them from themselves and making sure they don't have 'choices' because choices is bad apparently.

I was raised with the belief that people are responsible for themselves and their own actions and freedom of choice is worth fighting and dying for. Sad how some countries are going backwards and slowly becoming more totalitarian and people just letting it happen.

ThorianB · February 2021

Nairinhe wrote: »

Daemons_Bane wrote: »

Always a small group who ruins it for the rest of us.. those people who can enjoy these crates, who can be responsible, should lose out because some people have spines made of gummy worms

You only think so as long as gambling addiction (or any kind of addiction) is some abstract crap that happens to some abstract other people you don't know. On the other had, when did prohibiting something ever actually work?

There is gambling everywhere, so this isn't a good reason at all. There is even gambling in the game with raffles. Outside of the game you have gambling advertised everywhere some of it ran by the government themselves. Here in the US, my state's lottery system is 10X more obvious than crown crates. Its advertised everywhere and gas stations and grocery stores is right in your face often at checkout when you got that wallet open. You can even play online.

So that argument of gambling addicts just doesn't work. It would be the same as saying we should not build anything more than 1 story high including bridges because of people with Acrophobia( fear of heights). My wife has this pretty bad and has to be careful what she does. It would be unreasonable for her to expect everyone else to accommodate her. That would be like the ask here. But we know it's not really about that.

The loot crate argument isn't about gambling addicts, it's about people who want radiants but don't want to do a chance system for them. They want them to have a defined price tag so they can decide if it's worth it or not and so they can save for the ones they really want.

This use to be the big argument but it's not as strong of an argument now because you can buy crown crates for gold. That should satisfy most countries restrictions on them. I do think they should just put a gem price on radiant mounts. They would get a lot less pushback on it and i think very few people care at this point how many people have radiant mount X.

2000 or 2400 crown gems for a radiant apex and a better system for trading crowns for gold would make it better for everyone.

Stahlor · February 2021

ADarklore wrote: »

I'm certainly glad some people have governments dictating to them, "protecting" them from themselves and making sure they don't have 'choices' because choices is bad apparently.

I was raised with the belief that people are responsible for themselves and their own actions and freedom of choice is worth fighting and dying for. Sad how some countries are going backwards and slowly becoming more totalitarian and people just letting it happen.

These times have ended a long time ago. People don't want responsibility anymore, they rather have someone to lay the blame on.

Yuffie91 · February 2021

ADarklore wrote: »

I'm certainly glad some people have governments dictating to them, "protecting" them from themselves and making sure they don't have 'choices' because choices is bad apparently.

I was raised with the belief that people are responsible for themselves and their own actions and freedom of choice is worth fighting and dying for. Sad how some countries are going backwards and slowly becoming more totalitarian and people just letting it happen.

We still talking about crown crates?

Daemons_Bane · February 2021

Nairinhe wrote: »

Daemons_Bane wrote: »

Always a small group who ruins it for the rest of us.. those people who can enjoy these crates, who can be responsible, should lose out because some people have spines made of gummy worms

You only think so as long as gambling addiction (or any kind of addiction) is some abstract crap that happens to some abstract other people you don't know. On the other had, when did prohibiting something ever actually work?

Gambling is just one subject.. in my country we have some really annoying knife laws, race laws and stuff like that.. and always because some people can't control themselves, so they make harsher laws.. but that ruins it for the people who CAN control themselves and behave.. I have no issue stopping myself from spending my entire salary.. but because some person has no spine, I am not allowed this treat AT ALL.? Thx for ruining my fun

Nairinhe · February 2021

ThorianB wrote: »

Nairinhe wrote: »

Daemons_Bane wrote: »

Always a small group who ruins it for the rest of us.. those people who can enjoy these crates, who can be responsible, should lose out because some people have spines made of gummy worms

You only think so as long as gambling addiction (or any kind of addiction) is some abstract crap that happens to some abstract other people you don't know. On the other had, when did prohibiting something ever actually work?

There is gambling everywhere, so this isn't a good reason at all. There is even gambling in the game with raffles. Outside of the game you have gambling advertised everywhere some of it ran by the government themselves. Here in the US, my state's lottery system is 10X more obvious than crown crates. Its advertised everywhere and gas stations and grocery stores is right in your face often at checkout when you got that wallet open. You can even play online.

So that argument of gambling addicts just doesn't work. It would be the same as saying we should not build anything more than 1 story high including bridges because of people with Acrophobia( fear of heights). My wife has this pretty bad and has to be careful what she does. It would be unreasonable for her to expect everyone else to accommodate her. That would be like the ask here. But we know it's not really about that.

The loot crate argument isn't about gambling addicts, it's about people who want radiants but don't want to do a chance system for them. They want them to have a defined price tag so they can decide if it's worth it or not and so they can save for the ones they really want.

This use to be the big argument but it's not as strong of an argument now because you can buy crown crates for gold. That should satisfy most countries restrictions on them. I do think they should just put a gem price on radiant mounts. They would get a lot less pushback on it and i think very few people care at this point how many people have radiant mount X.

2000 or 2400 crown gems for a radiant apex and a better system for trading crowns for gold would make it better for everyone.

I'm wary of setting high gem prices on things, because I'm afraid that it can lead to the bad chain of: high gem price - people farm gems - people get a lot of gems - more gem exclusive items. And I hate gem exclusives.

Daemons_Bane wrote: »

Nairinhe wrote: »

Daemons_Bane wrote: »

Always a small group who ruins it for the rest of us.. those people who can enjoy these crates, who can be responsible, should lose out because some people have spines made of gummy worms

You only think so as long as gambling addiction (or any kind of addiction) is some abstract crap that happens to some abstract other people you don't know. On the other had, when did prohibiting something ever actually work?

Gambling is just one subject.. in my country we have some really annoying knife laws, race laws and stuff like that.. and always because some people can't control themselves, so they make harsher laws.. but that ruins it for the people who CAN control themselves and behave.. I have no issue stopping myself from spending my entire salary.. but because some person has no spine, I am not allowed this treat AT ALL.? Thx for ruining my fun

On one hand - yes, don't prohibit cats just because someone got allergy. On the other - government isn't supposed to say "nah, man, it's your problem, I don't care". I suspect they decided that it's serious and widespread enough problem to inconvenience those who don't have trouble with it.