Once again I ask on behalf of Magicka PvP

katanagirl1 · February 2021

Vetixio wrote: »

Its been Elder Stamina Online for years since One Stamriel. Magicka is greatly outclassed by stam in PvP and PvE and like others have said the light armor changes will further reinforce Elder Stamina Online next patch, medium armor imo should have -mag resist if light armor is gonna get gimped so hard next patch. It is already the squishiest armor type and basically feels like you are wearing paper in PvP. These recent no proc tests in Cyro have made magicka feel slightly more viable again tho which is a plus!

My sorc has shields from destro staff skill I think with her light armor and my stamblade has what for her medium armor - dodge roll?

The stamblade takes a ton of damage from staff weapons I can tell you for a fact.

Katahdin · February 2021

katanagirl1 wrote: »

Vetixio wrote: »

Its been Elder Stamina Online for years since One Stamriel. Magicka is greatly outclassed by stam in PvP and PvE and like others have said the light armor changes will further reinforce Elder Stamina Online next patch, medium armor imo should have -mag resist if light armor is gonna get gimped so hard next patch. It is already the squishiest armor type and basically feels like you are wearing paper in PvP. These recent no proc tests in Cyro have made magicka feel slightly more viable again tho which is a plus!

My sorc has shields from destro staff skill I think with her light armor and my stamblade has what for her medium armor - dodge roll?

The stamblade takes a ton of damage from staff weapons I can tell you for a fact.

And then dies.

Seriously rally a "burst heal"??? LMAO. No one uses rally for its heal.....NO ONE. Its a buff, thats all it is.
OK how about we nerf every mag heal then, you know the REAL burst heals, the ones that mag classes use to heal from <25% to full health every 10 seconds.

Mag is not lacking. I just ran my magblade out there tonight and it wasnt lacking at all. Got into a ton of fights and got a lot of kills.

I see mag sorcs still doing just fine (there was one at a resource that 5 of us could not kill), along with mag DK, mag plars, magblades and magcros. Not sure about magwarden but I think they have issues that arent related to PVP.

Stop asking for nerfs to the play styles you don't like because the nerf bat will come back around and hit you too.

phil.maricel08ub17_ESO · February 2021

Katahdin wrote: »

katanagirl1 wrote: »

Vetixio wrote: »

Its been Elder Stamina Online for years since One Stamriel. Magicka is greatly outclassed by stam in PvP and PvE and like others have said the light armor changes will further reinforce Elder Stamina Online next patch, medium armor imo should have -mag resist if light armor is gonna get gimped so hard next patch. It is already the squishiest armor type and basically feels like you are wearing paper in PvP. These recent no proc tests in Cyro have made magicka feel slightly more viable again tho which is a plus!

My sorc has shields from destro staff skill I think with her light armor and my stamblade has what for her medium armor - dodge roll?

The stamblade takes a ton of damage from staff weapons I can tell you for a fact.

And then dies.

Seriously rally a "burst heal"??? LMAO. No one uses rally for its heal.....NO ONE. Its a buff, thats all it is.
OK how about we nerf every mag heal then, you know the REAL burst heals, the ones that mag classes use to heal from <25% to full health every 10 seconds.

Mag is not lacking. I just ran my magblade out there tonight and it wasnt lacking at all. Got into a ton of fights and got a lot of kills.

I see mag sorcs still doing just fine (there was one at a resource that 5 of us could not kill), along with mag DK, mag plars, magblades and magcros. Not sure about magwarden but I think they have issues that arent related to PVP.

Stop asking for nerfs to the play styles you don't like because the nerf bat will come back around and hit you too.

I'll give you a million gold to find the word nerf in my original post. This is what's wrong with this community! Selective reading at best. It's funny how you didn't mention a magicka spell in comparison with rally. That's right, there isn't one, which is what my post was about!

Anyron · February 2021

phil.maricel08ub17_ESO wrote: »

Katahdin wrote: »

katanagirl1 wrote: »

Vetixio wrote: »

Its been Elder Stamina Online for years since One Stamriel. Magicka is greatly outclassed by stam in PvP and PvE and like others have said the light armor changes will further reinforce Elder Stamina Online next patch, medium armor imo should have -mag resist if light armor is gonna get gimped so hard next patch. It is already the squishiest armor type and basically feels like you are wearing paper in PvP. These recent no proc tests in Cyro have made magicka feel slightly more viable again tho which is a plus!

My sorc has shields from destro staff skill I think with her light armor and my stamblade has what for her medium armor - dodge roll?

The stamblade takes a ton of damage from staff weapons I can tell you for a fact.

And then dies.

Seriously rally a "burst heal"??? LMAO. No one uses rally for its heal.....NO ONE. Its a buff, thats all it is.
OK how about we nerf every mag heal then, you know the REAL burst heals, the ones that mag classes use to heal from <25% to full health every 10 seconds.

Mag is not lacking. I just ran my magblade out there tonight and it wasnt lacking at all. Got into a ton of fights and got a lot of kills.

I see mag sorcs still doing just fine (there was one at a resource that 5 of us could not kill), along with mag DK, mag plars, magblades and magcros. Not sure about magwarden but I think they have issues that arent related to PVP.

Stop asking for nerfs to the play styles you don't like because the nerf bat will come back around and hit you too.

I'll give you a million gold to find the word nerf in my original post. This is what's wrong with this community! Selective reading at best. It's funny how you didn't mention a magicka spell in comparison with rally. That's right, there isn't one, which is what my post was about!

Honestly, when i read his response for first time i thouhgt it was sarcasm lol

phil.maricel08ub17_ESO · February 2021

Anyron wrote: »

phil.maricel08ub17_ESO wrote: »

Katahdin wrote: »

katanagirl1 wrote: »

Vetixio wrote: »

Its been Elder Stamina Online for years since One Stamriel. Magicka is greatly outclassed by stam in PvP and PvE and like others have said the light armor changes will further reinforce Elder Stamina Online next patch, medium armor imo should have -mag resist if light armor is gonna get gimped so hard next patch. It is already the squishiest armor type and basically feels like you are wearing paper in PvP. These recent no proc tests in Cyro have made magicka feel slightly more viable again tho which is a plus!

My sorc has shields from destro staff skill I think with her light armor and my stamblade has what for her medium armor - dodge roll?

The stamblade takes a ton of damage from staff weapons I can tell you for a fact.

And then dies.

Seriously rally a "burst heal"??? LMAO. No one uses rally for its heal.....NO ONE. Its a buff, thats all it is.
OK how about we nerf every mag heal then, you know the REAL burst heals, the ones that mag classes use to heal from <25% to full health every 10 seconds.

Mag is not lacking. I just ran my magblade out there tonight and it wasnt lacking at all. Got into a ton of fights and got a lot of kills.

I see mag sorcs still doing just fine (there was one at a resource that 5 of us could not kill), along with mag DK, mag plars, magblades and magcros. Not sure about magwarden but I think they have issues that arent related to PVP.

Stop asking for nerfs to the play styles you don't like because the nerf bat will come back around and hit you too.

I'll give you a million gold to find the word nerf in my original post. This is what's wrong with this community! Selective reading at best. It's funny how you didn't mention a magicka spell in comparison with rally. That's right, there isn't one, which is what my post was about!

Honestly, when i read his response for first time i thouhgt it was sarcasm lol

Could be I suppose

I read it as some player that has been playing the last day or so without his stamina procs

Who really knows nowadays?

usmguy1234 · February 2021

phil.maricel08ub17_ESO wrote: »

Katahdin wrote: »

katanagirl1 wrote: »

Vetixio wrote: »

Its been Elder Stamina Online for years since One Stamriel. Magicka is greatly outclassed by stam in PvP and PvE and like others have said the light armor changes will further reinforce Elder Stamina Online next patch, medium armor imo should have -mag resist if light armor is gonna get gimped so hard next patch. It is already the squishiest armor type and basically feels like you are wearing paper in PvP. These recent no proc tests in Cyro have made magicka feel slightly more viable again tho which is a plus!

My sorc has shields from destro staff skill I think with her light armor and my stamblade has what for her medium armor - dodge roll?

The stamblade takes a ton of damage from staff weapons I can tell you for a fact.

And then dies.

Seriously rally a "burst heal"??? LMAO. No one uses rally for its heal.....NO ONE. Its a buff, thats all it is.
OK how about we nerf every mag heal then, you know the REAL burst heals, the ones that mag classes use to heal from <25% to full health every 10 seconds.

Mag is not lacking. I just ran my magblade out there tonight and it wasnt lacking at all. Got into a ton of fights and got a lot of kills.

I see mag sorcs still doing just fine (there was one at a resource that 5 of us could not kill), along with mag DK, mag plars, magblades and magcros. Not sure about magwarden but I think they have issues that arent related to PVP.

Stop asking for nerfs to the play styles you don't like because the nerf bat will come back around and hit you too.

I'll give you a million gold to find the word nerf in my original post. This is what's wrong with this community! Selective reading at best. It's funny how you didn't mention a magicka spell in comparison with rally. That's right, there isn't one, which is what my post was about!

Just a word of warning, just implying that something is too strong is essentially asking for a nerf from zos. Anyone realizes this who's spent any time in the game.

TequilaFire · February 2021

All I know is I just made a mag sorc for the first time in years and I can't believe how easy it is to do content twice as fast as on my stam characters.

Faded · February 2021

TequilaFire wrote: »

All I know is I just made a mag sorc for the first time in years and I can't believe how easy it is to do content twice as fast as on my stam characters.

Magsorc rarely has a bad patch. It's not my favorite spec and I HATE the pets but it's powerful from level 2 and versatile. And somehow it's good in PVE and PVP, so we know you can do it devs.

Joy_Division · February 2021

phil.maricel08ub17_ESO wrote: »

Why do we still not have a loaded spell such as Rally? Major brutality, minor endurance, and a burst heal in ONE SINGLE SPELL . Come on guys, how can you not see how lacking magicka is to play in PvP.If you intended for us to be utility only, supporting everyone else from the rear, just say so. Its just not right to leave us such a state.

Your not wrong in that as long a magicka meets a certain parse on a target Dummy, ZOS won't change anything despite how awkward or impractical it is to get that damage vs. a competent human opponent who reacts and thinks. I don't think ZOS intended for magicka to be either support or exploit dubious mechanics such as harmony, prox det, and viscous death, but I think it's pretty clear no combat dev appreciates how hard it is to roll out a solo magicka DK, Necro, or other slow magicka spec without brandishing multiple proc sets or being something other than troll tanks.

Also, your first sentence can easily be interpreted as "the skill needs to be nerfed". What I think you want to say is that magika classes have to slot two/three skills to get the utility needed that something like Rally supplies, which leaves them not enough room on their bars for their weak and awkward DPS skills on their still slow specs to secure kills with the regularity needed to run without the protection a group/zerg provides.

phil.maricel08ub17_ESO · February 2021

Joy_Division wrote: »

phil.maricel08ub17_ESO wrote: »

Why do we still not have a loaded spell such as Rally? Major brutality, minor endurance, and a burst heal in ONE SINGLE SPELL . Come on guys, how can you not see how lacking magicka is to play in PvP.If you intended for us to be utility only, supporting everyone else from the rear, just say so. Its just not right to leave us such a state.

Your not wrong in that as long a magicka meets a certain parse on a target Dummy, ZOS won't change anything despite how awkward or impractical it is to get that damage vs. a competent human opponent who reacts and thinks. I don't think ZOS intended for magicka to be either support or exploit dubious mechanics such as harmony, prox det, and viscous death, but I think it's pretty clear no combat dev appreciates how hard it is to roll out a solo magicka DK, Necro, or other slow magicka spec without brandishing multiple proc sets or being something other than troll tanks.

Also, your first sentence can easily be interpreted as "the skill needs to be nerfed". What I think you want to say is that magika classes have to slot two/three skills to get the utility needed that something like Rally supplies, which leaves them not enough room on their bars for their weak and awkward DPS skills on their still slow specs to secure kills with the regularity needed to run without the protection a group/zerg provides.

I see where you are coming from about the first sentence and I agree it could have been written differently!

katanagirl1 · February 2021

TequilaFire wrote: »

All I know is I just made a mag sorc for the first time in years and I can't believe how easy it is to do content twice as fast as on my stam characters.

Easier too.

I play both magsorc and stamblade in PvE everyday, which of course is much easier than PvP, but if I want to farm a public dungeon for Plunder Skulls without bothering to use food and not have to break a sweat I run the magsorc.

DukeCybran · February 2021

For e.g. the Magplar is an Ace in PVE, thus for the sake of 'balance', they made it cripple in PVP.

Hexys · February 2021

A big letdown for magicka users is the Mage's Guild, this whole skill line is almost useless for PvP.

Meteor is not impactful any more, easily block-able.

Mage light is just a buff which was mostly used for the spell crit which you easily get from a potion now. Max magicka is irrelevent except for magsorc, which has Bound Aegies, so no room for Mage Light.

Entropy, Degeneration is also barely used as spell power is easy accessible from potions. Only those who want to run immovable pots, use this skill.

Fire Rune, weak damage, not impactful CC as it is not controllable.

Spell symmetry, probably the only skill used in PvP, mainly in ball-groups. Otherwise also not used at all.

Suna_Ye_Sunnabe · February 2021

Vetixio wrote: »

Suna_Ye_Sunnabe wrote: »

Faded wrote: »

Suna_Ye_Sunnabe wrote: »

The changes to light armour next patch will just further reinforce Stamina Scrolls Online too.. Isn't it just lovely.

You could wear heavy and try to never roll.

I'm kidding. A little. I'm not sure what the armor changes + CP changes will do to the open world meta, it's tempting to re-install just to see it. Not tempting enough, but tempting.

You'll certainly have to try wearing heavy on mag to have any chance of survival in pvp, as if it weren't bad enough right now. So much for build diversity.

Thing is tho its a lot harder for mag to sustain in heavy compared to stam tbh. As stam's abilities are cheaper, hit harder, stam can do more dodge rolls/blocks/break frees etc but I'm not gonna get into the stam bias from ZOS could be here a long time lol.

Oh, I know

The disparity would be hilarious if it weren't such a thorn in my side.